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[CSLACR]

PP in GT500 is unlimited now Dennis, but you're still absolutely right.

Going into the settings between races is illegal.
Using a car not fully broken in is illegal.

Pre-season I don't care as much, but in season there will be harsh penalties for doing either of these.

 

[Troylee2601]

GT300 Regs

Arta Garaiya '08 / 335hp / 96.9% / 530pp / stock

I think there is something wrong with our specs as listed on page 141. My Garaiya '08 is broken in and has 341 HP at 96,9% and 533PP.

 

[CSLACR]

I think there is something wrong with our specs as listed on page 141. My Garaiya '08 is broken in and has 341 HP at 96,9% and 533PP.

I think I mentioned that, but not sure what exact numbers are.

It will be updated very soon though.

 

[doctsuru_69]

So to be involved in the WSGTC I have to race in the NTSC division. On a Saturday morning I get up with my 18month old baby at 6-30 am, I then have to stay up til 3am for the race. I will get to bed approx 5am. Then just as I start dreaming about the race that's just gone by, my 18month old wakes at 6-30.
This is commitment.
If only my daughter finished work at 7.

Inspiring words... 👍

 

[IforceV8]

I think there is something wrong with our specs as listed on page 141. My Garaiya '08 is broken in and has 341 HP at 96,9% and 533PP.

There seems to be a typo in page 141 OP.
The correct numbers

Page 149 post 2962

Arta Garaiya '08 / 335hp / 95.4% / 531pp / stock

 

[Troylee2601]

There seems to be a typo in page 141 OP.
The correct numbers

Page 149 post 2962

Arta Garaiya '08 / 335hp / 95.4% / 531pp / stock

That makes more sense.

 

[twistedfirework]

With the races only being for 12 cars and the points being given to the top 16 places. Will there be an additional race for the remaining cars to battle for places 13 to 16?

 

[MONSTAR-1]

With the races only being for 12 cars and the points being given to the top 16 places. Will there be an additional race for the remaining cars to battle for places 13 to 16?

We're struggling to get 12 on the grid now.

 

[twistedfirework]

We're struggling to get 12 on the grid now.

Obviously it would be numbers dependant.
Now it is the real season, we may have everyone qualifying and wanting to race.
Here's hoping

 

[MONSTAR-1]

What's going to happen to the people who don't bother to qualify? Will they still be allowed to show up on race day and race? I don't think that's showing enough commitment and respect towards the series.

 

[twistedfirework]

You will need to run the super lap qualifyer during the week. The top 12 times will make up the grid. If don't submit a time you can go on the waiting list, but you will placed behind anyone who has submitted a time.

 

[MONSTAR-1]

What lay out of fuji are we running?

 

[Sail IC]

Yawn.

Some testing (by myself ) of GT300 at Fuji with S3 specs tonight. As Johan suggests, a high 1:42 could be possible but would have to be an amazing lap imho. I can do 1:43.2s in the Subaru and RX7, 1:43.6s in the Garaiya. So it is much closer here, it's very encouraging, I'm happy. The RX7 however has a noticeable advantage on top speed - 153mph is the max for the Garaiya down the straight; but it's 156/7mph for either of the RX7s. That's too much in my opinion. The 08 Subaru maybe has a slight advantage in terms of one lap pace, purely on the pull out of corners, but it is going to shred its front tyres without a doubt I think. I didn't test the MR-S, IS350 or Celica.

Sorry for not turning up yesterday as stated. My wife decided to cook a nice dinner, and it wouldn't be very smart of me to go and play GT5 afterwards.

My first test at Fuji pretty much mirror your findings. I tried the Garaiya, RX7, and the Celica. I'm just a little slower than you with the Garaiya and a little faster than you with the RX7. But you probably have a more well developed setup for the Garaiya and my RX7 might have the edge over yours.

The Celica will however be the car to beat here. Even if its a tad slower down the straight than the RX7 its ahead at the first split. It has the best power to weight (1050Kg) and a big usable torque, so its probably accelerate out of T1 stronger than any other car. Also in the last twisty section, due to the same reasons, the Celica really goes well there. I actually managed a 1:02.8 with it, and I don't think that's the best that car can do here with some fine tuning.

Comparing the car regualtions between S2 and S3, it seems like the Garaiya '08 has gotten the biggest decrease. I think Tony used it in S2, and if its down to his performance maybe it has been decreased too much as Tony is on his own planet.

I'm really looking forward to race Mole this season, the GT300 grandmaster. I wouldn't like him (and the other Garaiya drivers) to have an uncompetitive car.

Edit: Just did a 1:43.0 with the Garaiya. Tweaked the setting and it goes very well in the second section and third. Its better than any other car through that long sweaping right hander in the middle section. Always slower in the first though. So it seems on par with the other cars at Fuji with the exception of the Celica.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[twistedfirework]

Maybe we can try some different settings on the garaiya 08. The problem is its hp must end in a 5, to eliminate any cheating in the championship. Maybe try adding a turbo and reducing the power limiter?
If there is to be a change though it needs to be quick. I was fairly happy with the specs on the whole.
Any suggestions?

 

[twistedfirework]

What lay out of fuji are we running?

We are running Fuji F.
All of the official rooms have the correct track set as default. 👍

 

[Scanny_Flick]

Maybe we can try some different settings on the garaiya 08. The problem is its hp must end in a 5, to eliminate any cheating in the championship. Maybe try adding a turbo and reducing the power limiter?
If there is to be a change though it needs to be quick. I was fairly happy with the specs on the whole.
Any suggestions?

I think we may have harmed the 08 Subaru too much as well. It's single lap pace is there or thereabouts but after a handful of laps when you've used the best of the tyres and then it's higher wear rate really kicks in it's a real struggle. And it gets eaten alive by most everything else in a straight line too (acceleration related I think more than anything as it's top speed is comparable to the others)

I was reluctant to say anything after the first pre-race I drove at Laguna as I wanted to evaluate it more. The more I drive it over race distances the more it doesn't feel right. I don't know if bumping it up to 345hp would be too much though.

It's a hard one as it's more to do with race distance pace rather than absolute speed

 

[twistedfirework]

I think we may have harmed the 08 Subaru too much as well. It's single lap pace is there or thereabouts but after a handful of laps when you've used the best of the tyres and then it's higher wear rate really kicks in it's a real struggle. And it gets eaten alive by most everything else in a straight line too (acceleration related I think more than anything as it's top speed is comparable to the others)

I was reluctant to say anything after the first pre-race I drove at Laguna as I wanted to evaluate it more. The more I drive it over race distances the more it doesn't feel right. I don't know if bumping it up to 345hp would be too much though.

It's a hard one as it's more to do with race distance pace rather than absolute speed

This may sound strange, but it seems as though the main problem with the 08 Subaru is its hotlap pace. How about 335hp for qualifying and 345 for the race. Maybe more testing is required. We could really do with as many people as possible helping on this one. Thoughts?

 

[Litchi]

.:Garaiya '08 Discussion:.​

Here are all the values with full DF: (my car is fully run in, no prob )

335HP tests:

• Stock (no turbo, no engine upgrade): 335hp / 531pp / 95.4%
• Turbo 2: 335hp / 335pp / 86.9%
• Turbo 3: 335hp / 334pp / 77.7%

345HP tests:

• Stock (no turbo, no engine upgrade): 345hp / 535pp / 98.2%
• Turbo 2: 345hp / 539pp / 89.5%
• Turbo 3: 345hp / 538pp / 80.0%

 

[Andil]

I'm not sure regarding the Impreza tbh. The very first flying lap I did with it, at 335hp, at Nurburgring GP/F was quicker than Johan's eventual pole time. That suggests the car is still pretty quick to me - what torque split are you guys using? I agree it eats front tyres, but only at certain circuits where tight infields are present - Suzuka and Fuji come to mind.

Regarding the Garaiya - it's a tough one. Last night I drove 4 laps in the RX7 and Impreza with basically stock setups, and each managed a best lap of 1:43.2 - I drove the Garaiya and did setup work for an hour, and got it down to a 1:43.6 - which is close, but after an hour of setup work I'd hope it would be! I'd expect to get the RX7 and Impreza into 1:42s with some setup work. Litchi, maybe you could give it a try?

My personal experience is that the Garaiya is lacking in purely low end acceleration. The RX7 has a slightly better top speed but the other cars seem about on par with the Garaiya (153mph at end of Fuji straight) - If there were a circuit with endless corners and zero braking, we'd be fine, but sadly that doesn't exist. It is maybe not the lack of power, but the power curve which is a problem; not at home so I can't look at it atm. Maybe a turbo but sticking at 335bhp would sort that. I think raising to 345bhp would be too much.

 

[Litchi]

Litchi, maybe you could give it a try?

Wow, I'm a Garaiya driver I know. But I really really don't have the time for some tests. I'm actually overbooked with a new structure of WSGTC. Sorry mate

I'll give you more details tonight with an Announcement Post. 👍

 

[Andil]

No worries mate 👍 I will try to test with some delimited turbos tonight, maybe others will be about for some practice too

 

[Paginas1]

Wow, I'm a Garaiya driver I know. But I really really don't have the time for some tests. I'm actually overbooked with a new structure of WSGTC. Sorry mate

I'll give you more details tonight with an Announcement Post. 👍

wooo looking forward to it

 

[Scanny_Flick]

I'm not sure regarding the Impreza tbh. The very first flying lap I did with it, at 335hp, at Nurburgring GP/F was quicker than Johan's eventual pole time. That suggests the car is still pretty quick to me - what torque split are you guys using? I agree it eats front tyres, but only at certain circuits where tight infields are present - Suzuka and Fuji come to mind.

My torque split has been at 10/90 since the day I was allocated the car for S2, can't live with the front tyre wear (whilst remaining moderately competitive) on any circuit with the torque split any higher at the front.

It wasnt until i started looking at the numbers that it made me think;

The Garaiya '08 and the Subaru '08 have lost 17 and 20 hp respectively since season 2. The RX7 '06 for example (a sought after car in s2) has gained 12 hp.

That's a 32 hp or 12 pp swing against the Subaru, was it really that much faster? Is it a coincidence that the 2 cars being talked about now are the '08 Garaiya and Subaru?

Everything else bar the Celica has gained power from season 2 (celica is down 8 ).

On a side note I actually put the Subaru 08 down as my first choice because being 16th pick I fully didn't expect to get my first choice ( I put the '08 Garaiya down second as I fancied going back to that after driving it in season 1). As it happened I got my first choice so the Subaru clearly wasn't popular at all at it's new specs, another alarm bell maybe?

If we're having another pre-race this week then maybe it's a good time to have a last look at both cars to see if we can find anything. I'm seriously considering switching to something else that remains available despite never having driven any of the cars that are spare. I know I'm not the quickest but i also have a good idea of where I should be over a race distance against a lot of the other regulars having driven in this class from the beginning.

 

[twistedfirework]

The rx7 06 last was 337hp this season it is 325hp, a loss of 12hp

 

[Scanny_Flick]

The rx7 06 last was 337hp this season it is 325hp, a loss of 12hp

Ha good catch! my bad, i took the numbers the wrong way round, did it on a couple of others as well but only on much smaller numbers, it's bad when real work occupies your mind when trying to post on here :-)

Still a 32hp/12pp swing against the Garaiya '03

 

[twistedfirework]

looking at last seasons specs, the garariya 03 has improved so has the 03 subaru. everthing else is worse than last season.
i honestly think this years specs are ok.
i will do some more testing, maybe everyone can see what they think.
looking at the pre season races, none of the cars stand out imo.
anybody else have any thoughts?

 

[Scanny_Flick]

looking at last seasons specs, the garariya 03 has improved so has the 03 subaru. everthing else is worse than last season.
i honestly think this years specs are ok.
i will do some more testing, maybe everyone can see what they think.
looking at the pre season races, none of the cars stand out imo.
anybody else have any thoughts?

Correct, but everything that's worse than season 2 has lost <10 hp aside from Suburu and Garaiya 08, I just can't get my head around the fact that these 2 cars were perceived to be that much faster than the rest and now they're the only two cars that are being talked about, it was accepted that even if the Subaru was marginally quicker over a lap it would even out over a race distance with it's tyre wear which is how it should be.

Also these two cars were forced into the 335hp bracket for room check purposes (personally I think pp and weight checks are enough, any advantage that can be gained with no hp check is debatable), the original specs for this season were higher for 08 Sub and Garaiya.

 

[twistedfirework]

Correct, but everything that's worse than season 2 has lost <10 hp aside from Suburu and Garaiya 08, I just can't get my head around the fact that these 2 cars were perceived to be that much faster than the rest and now they're the only two cars that are being talked about, it was accepted that even if the Subaru was marginally quicker over a lap it would even out over a race distance with it's tyre wear which is how it should be.

Also these two cars were forced into the 335hp bracket for room check purposes (personally I think pp and weight checks are enough, any advantage that can be gained with no hp check is debatable), the original specs for this season were higher for 08 Sub and Garaiya

The reason for the change in hp from the first specs for this season was because mist people were saying the 08 Subaru was much better than the other cars. This is an opportunity for us to have another look. I think the 08 Subaru is the awkward one mainly because if the 4wd. I think moleman is looking at what he can do with the garaiya 08. Maybe try the Subaru with a different turbo? It's better to try to change it now I suppose. Maybe a few of us can get together in one of the rooms tonight and see if we can come up with something?

 

[Scanny_Flick]

That's all I'm suggesting, that we take another look while we can. Maybe people were saying that without realising the other side to its characteristics fair race pace has to be the most important. Whatever they thought and said about it they obviously didnt think much of it when it came to selection time.

I should be around for a while tonight

 

[twistedfirework]

Ok. Catch you tonight