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[Litchi]

.:Announcement:.


One of the most important changes we're now planning to implement in WSGTC is the light damage setting, so please let us know what you think.

We are also considering allowing 1 stint on medium tires for each feature and sprint race.

The deadline for your feedbacks is friday, 26th at 23.59 GMT. After this, we will communicate you a final decision and it will apply for the whole season.​

 

[CSLACR]

Just something to note, again, is that reckless or improper driving will still not be tolerated with light damage.
It's not going to turn into BCC style no matter the damage settings.

 

[paulmac2k9]

I said the same as Red im not opposed to it changing, I just prefer the thrill of heavy damage . Im fine with either as FMSC was epic no doubt, I can remember Me, Josh and Biffy fight it out for the first 13 laps or so iirc (Getting a certain commentator worked up... that and missing overtakes )

Edit: "BCC" CSL .

Couldnt help but think of this when you said that CSL.... we certainly wouldnt want this..

 

[Wardez]

Just something to note, again, is that reckless or improper driving will still not be tolerated with light damage.
It's not going to turn into BCC style no matter the damage settings.

Extremely glad you brought this up. If anything the staff will be even more particular when it comes to reviewing incidents since we want to build up the group and we won't have to deal with as many dramatic PM's/complaints after races.

 

[Scanny_Flick]

But will they?

They always have before, especially when the sanctions come out. Someone mentioned that we are now driving for prizes, anyone who can't keep their car off other cars isnt gonna be anywhere near the prizes at the end of the season so the damage they pick up will not jeopardise anything on that score and to be honest they shouldn't be given the opportunities that light damage will give them to get near any prizes.

At what point has it ever not worked? I don't get where this has come from at all.

This;

Fair point, I concur, but as you say yourself, the careful drivers and the reckless drivers will drive in their particular manner, irrespective. I appreciate that it's only a game, when all is said and done, but we are racing in a quality league, with plenty of quality drivers and prizes at stake, we should be capable (allowing for the variables and the things out of the control of us) to race clean & close with full damage without it descending into a messy farce. In the real world, you pay the price, and I believe it should be the same here.

Also, that was a ridiculous amount to write on an iPhone.

 

[Wardez]

At what point has it ever not worked? I don't get where this has come from at all.

This;

The pre-season races ring a bell.

 

[CSLACR]

They always have before, especially when the sanctions come out. Someone mentioned that we are now driving for prizes, anyone who can't keep their car off other cars isnt gonna be anywhere near the prizes at the end of the season so the damage they pick up will not jeopardise anything on that score and to be honest they shouldn't be given the opportunities that light damage will give them to get near any prizes.

At what point has it ever not worked? I don't get where this has come from at all.

This;

I don't understand what you would have to gain from driving recklessly in either scenario.
It's not like someone will be able to go out and bang through everyone and continue racing in this series. Penalties will be a bit more progressive if anything this year. Getting penalties for 1-3 incidents every race won't be a trend for anyone.

 

[paulmac2k9]

Btw seen the "1 stint on mediums" And im firmly against that hards are perfectly fine.

 

[Scanny_Flick]

I'm not saying people are going to go out and drive recklessly just because it's light damage, I just much prefer that extra bit of restraint you have to have especially in the length of the races we have here.

I don't mind light damage in shorter events, that's where it's value is (maybe do it for the sprint races) but in championships with longer races like this one you can make big gains by keeping your nose clean even when you're not the quickest out there which is a just reward, that will be lost completely and will only benefit the fastest drivers.

 

[CSLACR]

Btw seen the "1 stint on mediums" And im firmly against that hards are perfectly fine.

Any particular reason you're against it?
It'd still be dominantly hards racing, but would add some extra strategy, particularly to the sprint races.

 

[CSLACR]

I'm not saying people are going to go out and drive recklessly, I just much prefer that extra bit of restraint you have to have especially in the length of the races we have here.

I don't mind light damage in shorter events, that's where it's value is (maybe do it for the sprint races) but in championships with longer races like this one you can make big gains by keeping your nose clean even when you're not the quickest out there which is a just reward, that will be lost completely and will only benefit the fastest drivers.

You're absolutely right, but what about when you keep your nose clean and then get taken out? It's the amount of probability to me. Most accidents involve an innocent driver, and a guilty driver.
The guilty driver gets penalized, so by default you can expect them to finish worse for the incident.

They both have good and bad points, I just want to be sure you're aware of both sides, that's all.

 

[The Widowmaker]

Any particular reason you're against it?
It'd still be dominantly hards racing, but would add some extra strategy, particularly to the sprint races.

+1, my thoughts exactly. Though I personally would prefer mediums as the race tyre, with softs as the option.

 

[NEPALII]

We have to take a different approach with this season due to all the new entries. You guys are thinking like a invite only, private series where all drivers know each other fairly well, for example PURE or FMSC. It won't work here.

I say we have light damage, Hards ONLY, and whoever refuses to change their reckless driving(those who are) should be kicked out. Simple.

 

[paulmac2k9]

For Gt300s atleast I see no point in racing mediums way too much grip for the DF and power they have but with Gt500s theres more of a case for it.

 

[redreevos]

Hmm.. I didn't notice the thought of introducing 1 stint on mediums.

I would have to say I am against this for several reasons.

First, this is yet another thing the stewards will have to keep track of. I have a feeling that there is already going to be enough time that needs to be spent to monitor race incidents.

Secondly, I won't have that much time this season. To practice with both setups will take longer. Different sets of brake points etc...

Thirdly, if we are worried about the level of damage and whether people are all going to be respectfull.. Adding in new braking points depending on the tire equipped, is going to cause more incidents in the braking zone.

Feel free to convince me otherwise.. and I will of course go with the majority on this one.. but I just see too many problems and too much time involved.

 

[CSLACR]

For Gt300s atleast I see no point in racing mediums way too much grip for the DF and power they have but with Gt500s theres more of a case for it.

I agree, but then RH's have a ton of grip for GT300's as well.

One thing it can't be, is mixed between divisions. Just every race, feature and sprint, enduro, in each race, you get to use 1 set of mediums.

 

[Scanny_Flick]

You're absolutely right.
but what about when you keep your nose clean and then get taken out?

They both have good and bad points, I just want to be sure you're aware of both sides, that's all.

Of course I'm aware of it, I got taken out 32 laps into our race at Spa yesterday by Eddie himself. **** happens and I still wouldn't change it. You may get bitten once in a season to the extent where it completely destroys your race, most of the time finishes can be salvaged after a damage induced extra pitstop, especially in the longer races. Something will happen to everyone over the course of a season and if you end up with any more than your fair share then it's just bad luck. It's not like we're paying to race.

 

[Litchi]

For Gt300s atleast I see no point in racing mediums way too much grip for the DF and power they have but with Gt500s theres more of a case for it.

Important point, noted 👍

 

[IforceV8]

I can agree with the thought behind light damage but im fine with it either way.

As far as the tires go i would have to see how far I can run on mediums before saying either way.Using a DS3 doesnt seem to promote long tire life.1 stop races are from what I have seen so far are not an option for me so anything that makes Dom pit more than once is 👍👍 with me.

I can see the sprint race run on Mediums since they are short enough that tire wear shouldnt be an issue.

 

[Scanny_Flick]

We have to take a different approach with this season due to all the new entries. You guys are thinking like a invite only, private series where all drivers know each other fairly well, for example PURE or FMSC. It won't work here.

I say we have light damage, Hards ONLY, and whoever refuses to change their reckless driving(those who are) should be kicked out. Simple.

WSGTC has never been invite only and it's always worked

 

[Litchi]

.:Announcement:.


One of the most important changes we're now planning to implement in WSGTC is the light damage setting, so please let us know what you think.

We are also considering allowing 1 stint on medium tires for each feature and sprint race.

The deadline for your feedbacks is friday, 26th at 23.59 GMT. After this, we will communicate you a final decision and it will apply for the whole season.​

 

[NEPALII]

I can see the sprint race run on Mediums since they are short enough that tire wear shouldnt be an issue.

We could have feature on Hards and Sprint on Mediums. It would give it the real feel of Sprint Race! But I hope we keep it one tire only for the races.

 

[CSLACR]

Of course I'm aware of it, I got taken out 32 laps into our race at Spa yesterday by Eddie himself. **** happens and I still wouldn't change it. You may get bitten once in a season to the extent where it completely destroys your race, most of the time finishes can be salvaged after a damage induced extra pitstop, especially in the longer races. Something will happen to everyone over the course of a season and if you end up with any more than your fair share then it's just bad luck.

Fair points, all of them.

But I also think depending on the situation, some people will get the brunt of it it too, it never works out in the mathematical sense. 10 wrecks won't hurt 10 different innocent drivers.

My main thought for light damage is still that bad drivers, historically, do not learn from their ways. Good drivers may learn to avoid them, but that's still giving the bad driver an advantage for being a bad driver, because everyone knows they'll push until you're both wrecked, just for one position, 3 laps into a 40 lap race.

Hmm.. I didn't notice the thought of introducing 1 stint on mediums.

I would have to say I am against this for several reasons.

First, this is yet another thing the stewards will have to keep track of. I have a feeling that there is already going to be enough time that needs to be spent to monitor race incidents.

Secondly, I won't have that much time this season. To practice with both setups will take longer. Different sets of brake points etc...

Thirdly, if we are worried about the level of damage and whether people are all going to be respectfull.. Adding in new braking points depending on the tire equipped, is going to cause more incidents in the braking zone.

Feel free to convince me otherwise.. and I will of course go with the majority on this one.. but I just see too many problems and too much time involved.

Well, I think the smartest thing would be to set your car up for hards all the time, and deal with the under-steer on mediums.

I don't know for sure, but I know we had a really neat race in Mule's RX7 race, the tire strategy really changes racing as we know it. You're on hards, you let the guy by, you're on mediums, you pass them easily, etc, etc.

Honestly I think it keeps people more in check, because instead of thinking "I'm faster then this guy, I need through" they'll be thinking about wearing their only mediums out, and what tires that guy is running, etc.

 

[cicua]

for gt300s atleast i see no point in racing mediums way too much grip for the df and power they have but with gt500s theres more of a case for it.

+1

thirdly, if we are worried about the level of damage and whether people are all going to be respectfull.. Adding in new braking points depending on the tire equipped, is going to cause more incidents in the braking zone.

+1

 

[will-i-am]

A lot of good points have been covered.
For damage I'm ok with either.
The tires are interesting. Could be fun.

 

[MONSTAR-1]

How many laps at Spa?

 

[Andil]

Very firmly against changing to light damage. Did you know - in two full seasons of WSGTC I have had damage only three times. Two of those times were when I was by myself, and I still won those races. The other time it was no big deal.

Discussion so far is like we are driving against monkeys or something...

If you're worried about someone 'dive bombing' you - how is light damage going to help this? The driver can still pull a lunging move, pick up slight damage, and not care about the consequences. Heavy damage = lesson learned.

My personal option is to be more observant all around your car. Use your rear view. If you see someone launching their car up the inside, then why are you turning in on them..? Let them go, they won't make the braking point anyway right? There is always an element of blame on both cars.

We have had plenty of new drivers in S1 and S2 with very few issues. You forget that we have gone through qualifiers for the event as a whole, thus removing the monkeys we apparently are deemed to have in the series. We also do weekly qualifiers - the drivers still here by now are pretty intelligent and committed.

Please, don't ruin the racing for the clean drivers here. Heavy damage promotes thinking about your passes and for enjoyable racing.

 

[twistedfirework]

Very firmly against changing to light damage. Did you know - in two full seasons of WSGTC I have had damage only three times. Two of those times were when I was by myself, and I still won those races. The other time it was no big deal.

Discussion so far is like we are driving against monkeys or something...

If you're worried about someone 'dive bombing' you - how is light damage going to help this? The driver can still pull a lunging move, pick up slight damage, and not care about the consequences. Heavy damage = lesson learned.

My personal option is to be more observant all around your car. Use your rear view. If you see someone launching their car up the inside, then why are you turning in on them..? Let them go, they won't make the braking point anyway right? There is always an element of blame on both cars.

We have had plenty of new drivers in S1 and S2 with very few issues. You forget that we have gone through qualifiers for the event as a whole, thus removing the monkeys we apparently are deemed to have in the series. We also do weekly qualifiers - the drivers still here by now are pretty intelligent and committed.

Please, don't ruin the racing for the clean drivers here. Heavy damage promotes thinking about your passes and for enjoyable racing.

The more I read the more I think that thus post us correct.
Another problem with light damage us that if someone tried dive bombing you and both cars get light damage, you may not lose a place. At the end of the race you will probably still finish in you rightful place, however you probably won't put in a complaint either. You would shrug your shoulders and say "never mind, it's one if those things at least it didnt cost me anything" the guilty driver is then free to try the same thing week after week. Heavy damage MAKES people drive with care.
With the tires I just think that the hard work perfectly fine. I don't see the need to complicate things. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[toyotsupra]

Yeah the Changes you have mentioned above would work well 👍

 

[twistedfirework]

How many laps at Spa?

It's 25 + 1 formation lap.