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[wishywish]

Vote for either 1

 

[maxking39]

Heavy!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Scanny_Flick]

I think one of the most important things will be to take a tough stance and stamp anything out as soon as it arises, make sure everyone knows where they stand and what's expected.

1 strike for the stewards deeming you to have rammed/punted/intentionally wrecked/rage quit and you're out, no questions or come backs.

Anything less severe will be dealt with accordingly and is part and parcel of racing

 

[doctsuru_69]

How about Masi? What will he vote for?

 

[Wardez]

I'm sure Masi would definitely want to stick to heavy in my opinion.

But anyway, this debate wasn't in vein, I hope all of you realize how significant we think the damage setting is the to the integrity of racing so I also hope that this discussion alone helps bring a bit more significance of its use in the series in yourself.

 

[CSLACR]

I think one of the most important things will be to take a tough stance and stamp anything out as soon as it arises, make sure everyone knows where they stand and what's expected.

1 strike for the stewards deeming you to have rammed/punted/intentionally wrecked/rage quit and you're out, no questions or come backs.

Anything less severe will be dealt with accordingly and is part and parcel of racing

I like the idea, but as long as someone makes an excuse, you can't really pin the label "intentionally" all that well.

But whether light or heavy damage, clearly intentional crashing into others would never be tolerated, and neither will repetitive "mistakes".
Everybody makes mistakes, we know this will happen, the only thing we ask is that people learn from them, instead of pulling a B-Spec Bob and doing it over, and over, and over, and over.
I'm sure we've all made fun and/or gotten angry over that at some point, certainly, right?

 

[paulmac2k9]

Yes my mate got pretty intensely 🤬 off at his B spec Bob f'ing up the 10 lap Le Sarthe seasonal . (We were in a text chat while he was doing it )

 

[CSLACR]

I rear ended C-Falcon hard in my first start in WSGTC, FTW.
🤬 happens, but we need to learn from these things.

 

[Sail IC]

Please could some of you guys can test GT300's with sport soft and give their feedbacks about the general handling?

Tested at Nurnburg with the same set-up I used for the race last week.

Did two runs laping around 2:05, some lower some higher, so its about 2 seconds slower the RH tires. In the race I went for a 1 stopper and in the end the laps were in the 2:06.

So if having to use SS in a race, you would do more than just one lap with them-- Good.

Handling. Given the laptime, the grip level was probably about the same as at around lap 10 on RS. The only difference is that usually the front wears a bit quicker giving rear grip bias, so on fresh SS tires its a little more loose in the rear but only a little.

I think it be a good idea to use SS in one stint.

 

[SuperSic]

Instead of debating about the damage thing, you could concentrate your efforts on making sure we have more than a handful of racers in each div for the pre-race, otherwise the last 2 weeks are just stalling waiting for Masi to appear.

 

[CSLACR]

For GT300, using SS for 1 stint could be great actually, but I still don't think it'll be the best way to go using them longer for sprints.
If I can do 14 laps at Monza with a GT500 on RH's well, surely I can do every GT300 sprint race without needing extra laps on a second set of tires.

Obviously this changes from driver to driver, just saying, the optimal way to go for sprints won't change by mandating a set of SS.

As for drivers, new drivers are still welcome and will be throughout the season, but we'll be screening them a bit more thoroughly from here on out, which we couldn't earlier on.
New drivers will be taking part in small, semi-private races with stewards, admins, etc, to evaluate their performance, to make sure they know how to handle their car around other cars properly.
Quality over quantity.


Word from Masi has been received, and he's still out for now, so as of now, It's Litchi, twistedfirework, and myself at the helm of the series.
This was recently updated, too.

As of now, our main focus is to get the series going, set everything into "final" and aim for full 12 car grids for each division, nothing more.

We've gotten quite a few curve balls, but I do think when the season does start, we'll be able to fill all 4 rooms with 12 drivers, no worries.👍

 

[CSLACR]

Instead of debating about the damage thing, you could concentrate your efforts on making sure we have more than a handful of racers in each div for the pre-race, otherwise the last 2 weeks are just stalling waiting for Masi to appear.

It would be great if people would show up, part of the reason I wanted to start the season now.
You win some, you lose some.

But my thought is, people haven't really bothered with preseason races since December, so I fail to see how one more will change it all of a sudden.

 

[redreevos]

Guys.. We have the lounges setup so people can practice.

Please, please.. don't start a race by yourself, and then go afk with yourself on the track. It kills the room. If you have to do something, just exit the race before you go afk..

thank you.

GTP_Twist and I moved over to PAL2 room. I won't be able to stay too long though.

 

[paulmac2k9]

God my names wrong on everything in that list

I should be:

P.Mackay paulmac2k9 paulmac2k9 .

Please fix it as it seems my name is the only one wrong (Why me ).

 

[CSLACR]

Wasn't me.

 

[paulmac2k9]

Its seems whoever did it had the idea that all c's were to be lower case k's and all k's were to be capital K's .

 

[Scanny_Flick]

Guys.. We have the lounges setup so people can practice.

Please, please.. don't start a race by yourself, and then go afk with yourself on the track. It kills the room. If you have to do something, just exit the race before you go afk..

thank you.

GTP_Twist and I moved over to PAL2 room. I won't be able to stay too long though.

Pinoy didn't start the race, a few others were in there. We started a race not realising he wasn't there, one of the guys then had wrong tyres on (comforts) so we all jumped straight out to restart and that's when it went wrong

Not ideal to be sat in the pits if away that's all

 

[twistedfirework]

Are you still in another room?
We are in pal2

 

[Litchi]

God my names wrong on everything in that list

I should be:

P.Mackay paulmac2k9 paulmac2k9 .

Please fix it as it seems my name is the only one wrong (Why me ).

Ohhhhh, really sorry man, i'll update it asap

 

[Litchi]

.:Announcement:.

We would like to thank you all a lot for all your feedback regarding damage and tires. We always appreciate your input.

Therefore, after consultation, we have decided on heavy damage. It will be heavy for the whole season, in every race.(and sprints)

Regarding the tires, it will be allowed to use one set with Racing Medium for GT500's, in every race.(including sprints)
For GT300's, It will be mandatory to do one stint with sport soft tires in every race.

Thank you for understanding


Litchi -

Per experience, I know that there are not major problems with the GT300 class. Therefore I will race in GT500 for this last preseason race. Because I have received some PM's regarding aggressive driving and I want to see how everyone drives, in person, and to see how everything goes overall in the race.


twistedfirework -

It's really important for everyone to understand that the penalty's for aggressive driving causing damage will be servere. Please, please, please, drive with great care. Respect your opponent and we will have a great season​

 

[IforceV8]

Please could some of you guys can test GT300's with sport soft and give their feedbacks about the general handling?

I went back to GP/F and ran with my qualifying setup and was 3.5 sec slower on sport softs.I qualified at 2'04.0 and could only run a 2'07.5 on SS.

 

[CSLACR]

Well like I said, I don't think it will affect sprint races much at all, but it will certainly be a neat aspect for the feature races.
I'm 100% positive everyone will enjoy this, both in GT500 and GT300 at some point in the season.

It can really help separate the field quickly early on, but the winner will not necessarily be in the lead.

And something short of an announcement, just some friendly competitive advice, team up with your teammates guys. You can probably hook up with the guys driving the same cars in the other conference even.
Pit strategies, tire preservation, setup, and consistency will all be key now, just like real life.

 

[doctsuru_69]

Pinoy didn't start the race, a few others were in there. We started a race not realising he wasn't there, one of the guys then had wrong tyres on (comforts) so we all jumped straight out to restart and that's when it went wrong

Not ideal to be sat in the pits if away that's all

Oh, sorry i did not get out of the pit. I had a coffee/breakfast with my wife. When i came back my car was already out alone on the race track.

 

[GrahamTurismo]

Well I had managed to write a nice long post after getting a good nights sleep following the Saturday night race, but then my browser crashed and I lost it all before I could post it. So I've finally managed to catch up with everything and here are some of my thoughts:

First off; I am a supporter of heavy damage, although I have no preference as I also see plenty of benefits to switching to light.


I'm also excited to see another pre-season race. I wasn't going to be able to make this weekends race anyway, as I will be attending the Rolex 24 at Daytona! Though I may try to squeeze into the PAL race on Friday.


I gotta say after reading the last 10 pages or so I am really glad I switched to GT300. Seems like there are too many hot-headed drivers in GT500 and I'm thrilled to not have to deal with that. But I do need to make some points about last weekends race...

1. If someone for some reason switches divisions due to not being able to make the race, they are supposed to bumped to the bottom of the grid. Before the race started Litchi ran down the order and I was supposed to start 4th, but someone from the PAL division decided to join this race and take my qualifying spot because he had a faster qual time than me. Even after Litchi had said that he was to start at the back he just arrogantly came up to 4th during the formation lap and wouldn't give it up. I decided that since it was pre-season I wasn't going to fuss too much. But perhaps this should be emphasized in the rules somewhere.

2. I had an idea for the sprint race. Since the grid is sorted reverse based on the main race is there really any reason for a formation lap (other than for the mentioned "drivetrain advantages")? I think since it's such a short race, and in the spirit of 'sprinting,' it would be fun to just run from a standing start. I'm sure you guys have done research and that it's probably best, but I just felt the overwhelming urge to gun it at the 3-2-1 for the second race (since I was already in the right starting position).


I've also noticed in the first post with all the flags for race locations that we are going to be racing at Spa twice. But then on the next post it say the 10th race is hoping for Motegi. I was wondering why is there no Nordschleife race this season? Maybe I'm alone in this, maybe I'm not, but I'd really love a Nurb enduro.

 

[Wardez]

2. I had an idea for the sprint race. Since the grid is sorted reverse based on the main race is there really any reason for a formation lap (other than for the mentioned "drivetrain advantages")? I think since it's such a short race, and in the spirit of 'sprinting,' it would be fun to just run from a standing start. I'm sure you guys have done research and that it's probably best, but I just felt the overwhelming urge to gun it at the 3-2-1 for the second race (since I was already in the right starting position).

We don't run standing starts because of the slight differences in launch speed between the different drivetrain layouts of the cars. There's MR and FR, some have much better acceleration than others (check out the different powerbands) because of the custom specs CSL and other made to bring them to parity over the distance of a track, not a straight.

So that's a no to the standing starts in a sprint race in my opinion. Standing starts are usually best for spec series, since there's no difference in launch potential between cars. This is also one of the main reasons most real life road racing multi-class series use rolling starts.

Love the input though Graham.

Also, about the Nurb. not sure why it was taken out either. It was a pretty miserable race last season due to weather, we're racing there this weekend in JGTS but simply not including the possibility of rain.

 

[Sail IC]

I think we should only use one tire compound in the sprint race, at least for GT300. Given the shorter distance of the sprint race the RH tires will always be faster even on the last lap. So if to use the SS too, everybody will just do one lap with the SS tires (first or last) which would remove any sort of pit strategy and opion for that race.

GT500 might be different if RM tires, but my gut feel is that it will be similar, ie just one or maybe two laps on the RH tire depending if the RM tire will last the distance.

In summary, the use of only one tire compound in the sprint race will give more pit strategy options.

 

[twistedfirework]

I think there should be a "pit window" in the sprint races. Maybe laps 3-7. The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Any thoughts?

 

[sandwiches]

is there really any need for a pit in the sprint race. I know I have not yet entered a sprint but why not leave it a sprint race and take the pits outta it altogether. Thats what I think anyway..

 

[toyotsupra]

I think there should be a "pit window" in the sprint races. Maybe laps 3-7. The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Any thoughts?

No way I ain't a fan of that.

 

[The Widowmaker]

is there really any need for a pit in the sprint race. I know I have not yet entered a sprint but why not leave it a sprint race and take the pits outta it altogether. Thats what I think anyway..

By having a pit stop, it adds an element of strategic play into the race, also, it means you've not got to worry about tyre life, particularly for GT500's, so you can go maximum attack for the duration.