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[toyotsupra]

Hey guys, just checking in while I wait for my plane. All this talk about two compounds of three is giving me a headache Lol. Hopefully it will be sorted when i return in 16 days times.

Anyway good luck all in the pre season race. I will check back when I'm chilling out in the hot south African weather hehe

WOW you so lucky man were abouts you going?

 

[Paginas1]

WOW you so lucky man were abouts you going?

Well considering i said south Africa then I would say that I'm going there LOL however if you got your wording wrong and asking where in south Africa then I'm starting in johannasburg to see family and then moving on to Kruger game park to run away from the lions Lol.

Plus doing day events like walking with elephants and feeding the baby lion cubs ahhhh Lol

 

[toyotsupra]

Well considering i said south Africa then I would say that I'm going there LOL however if you got your wording wrong and asking where in south Africa then I'm starting in johannasburg to see family and then moving on to Kruger game park to run away from the lions Lol.

Have a good time

 

[Paginas1]

Plus litchi I'm flying with Air France, hope you guys are better flying planes and racing cars LOL

 

[paulmac2k9]

*Wispers to Litchi that the plan is a foot* Make sure he has a "fun" flight .

 

[GrahamTurismo]

To answer you're first question, once the season starts there will be no switching conferences if you can't make you're race. Each conference will have separate points championships so you can't pick and choose (based on other commitments or anything else) which one you will race in from week to week. If you can't make you're race then you'll have to utilise one of your dropped rounds.

It has been 'open' during pre-season to allow everyone the best opportunity to take part in as many races as possible to learn regs and procedures etc.

I commend you for letting it go without making it difficult during your race the other night 👍

Oh ok, I understand. I knew it wasn't a big deal for a practice race, but if points were on the line you better believe I'd be more opposed.

Ah ya definatly keep motegi in it until last minute but all I am sayin is that nordscleife might be used if motegi does not make it by the time it comes around..

Oh, for sure. In fact, I'd say if we get ANY legacy track between now and then we should definitely add it to the roster.

 

[CSLACR]

One last post about tire rules for the sprint race, and I'm using GT300 at Nurnburg (9 laps) as the example.

You set the pit strategy primarely based on two thing.
- Overall race pace
- Track position.

If requiring the use of two compounds.
- Best race pace will be to do 3+6 laps (3 on the SS)
- Best track position starting on SS (most likely) will be 3+6 laps
- I see no reason to do a 4th lap on SS regardless if you're at the front or back
- I see to reason to do a 4th lap on SS regardless of you start on SS or RH.

If using RH tires only.
- Best race pace will be to do 4+5 laps
- Best track postion will be 1+8, 2+7, or maybe 3+6. Depends on how the first laps develop.
- So if going for a 1+8, you might get a track postion advantage but you will pay the price of slower pace and worn tires in the end. The guys who did 4+5 and if they didn't get held up will now be faster. There is a strategic element.

So if we use the same compound there is a strategic element to the pit stops. Another problem with a 3-7 lap pit window is if you for example get damage on lap 1. Will you then have to drive another two laps with the damage before you are allowed to pit.

I see no benefit with using both compounds. Yes, not the most importan thing, but if one is better, why not go that route.

This is all why I suggested RM's, since they might not last the whole sprint race.
But as for your points, it's been pretty well proven that 9 times out of 10, pitting on lap 1 is fastest with RH's too.
So I see your point, and I agree with it 100%, yet there's no difference between the two options you mention in my eyes.

Using Nurb F as the same example, if someone can't run 8 laps on a set of RH's successfully,(we're talking GT300's) they're driving far too aggressively, hence my suggestion for RM's. Of course, even on RM's I think it would still say the same, so I don't see a problem running 2 sets, 1 set, whatever the case may be, because unless we're running RS, I'm going the distance.
Just ask Tony, Aderrrm, or TimeAttack what's best. (where I learned it)

Which is why I think a specific pit window will be neat.

It adds some neat strategy if we're mandating a lesser grade of tires, for example:
9 laps (10 counting formation lap)
Pit window: Race laps 3-6. You can start on RH and go to lap 6, or you can start on SS and pit early on 3.

2 strategies, more importantly, 2 strategies every driver will consider, as opposed to only running RH's, where drivers better with tire wear will pit asap, every time. (unless they're in front one way or another, then maybe not.

 

[xStretch-]

So whats after Spa?

Not got the DLC yet so I am going to start practising for the next pre-race? or actual race

 

[CSLACR]

So whats after Spa?

Not got the DLC yet so I am going to start practising for the next pre-race? or actual race

Season is after Spa.

 

[twistedfirework]

It's the first race proper at Fuji F

 

[xStretch-]

Ok, I will try and get on 1 or 2 times in the week now its starting to get my Q done. Fuji is a great track

 

[CAMikaze]

Couldnt help but think of this when you said that CSL.... we certainly wouldnt want this..

And you folks thought THE BIG ONE only happens on Oval tracks...

I plan to be on after 7 pm US EST to practice for a run at Qualifying for Spa tonight. Any stewards plan to be on then?

 

[overheating]

@CAMikaze

I'll be on this evening, but not until 7PST 10EST. I do not get off of work till then. If you can pop in later on I'd be happy to get your time logged.

 

[CAMikaze]

Cool. That'll give me plenty of time to practice. I'll be in NTSC2, if that helps.

 

[paulmac2k9]

pilot : #37 paulmac2k9
lap1 : 2:24.993
lap2 : 2:24.988
best lap : 2:24.988

Hows that for consistancy . Also those were both my PBs, so happy with that . Johan well done on the 24.1 I cant touch that, epic lap 👍.

 

[Sail IC]

This is all why I suggested RM's, since they might not last the whole sprint race.
But as for your points, it's been pretty well proven that 9 times out of 10, pitting on lap 1 is fastest with RH's too.
So I see your point, and I agree with it 100%, yet there's no difference between the two options you mention in my eyes.

Using Nurb F as the same example, if someone can't run 8 laps on a set of RH's successfully,(we're talking GT300's) they're driving far too aggressively, hence my suggestion for RM's. Of course, even on RM's I think it would still say the same, so I don't see a problem running 2 sets, 1 set, whatever the case may be, because unless we're running RS, I'm going the distance.
Just ask Tony, Aderrrm, or TimeAttack what's best. (where I learned it)

Which is why I think a specific pit window will be neat.

It adds some neat strategy if we're mandating a lesser grade of tires, for example:
9 laps (10 counting formation lap)
Pit window: Race laps 3-6. You can start on RH and go to lap 6, or you can start on SS and pit early on 3.

2 strategies, more importantly, 2 strategies every driver will consider, as opposed to only running RH's, where drivers better with tire wear will pit asap, every time. (unless they're in front one way or another, then maybe not.

Got it. If its race proven that pitting on the first lap is the way to go, ie prioritize track postion over ultimate potential total race pace, then I agree that RH/RS is the way to go.

As you stated, RMs would make it more interesting. I think they last 9 laps at Nurnburg F (I did 16 on RH in the race), but the GT500 might have a stronger tirewear than GT300 so it will be interesting for them. But I also have to agree with the other point of RM being too grippy for the GT300.

 

[CSLACR]

Got it. If its race proven that pitting on the first lap is the way to go, ie prioritize track postion over ultimate potential total race pace, then I agree that RH/RS is the way to go.

As you stated, RMs would make it more interesting. I think they last 9 laps at Nurnburg F (I did 16 on RH in the race), but the GT500 might have a stronger tirewear than GT300 so it will be interesting for them. But I also have to agree with the other point of RM being too grippy for the GT300.

Exactly. The GT500's will hopefully struggle to finish on RM's (Tony can do anything he wants though, of course ) which will make it more interesting.

For 300's, obviously I agree RM's have too much grip, that's why I'm perfectly fine with SS's for a stint. As long as we have a more specific window, strategy will at least have a play in it.

Of course, 3 important things to note:
1. If everyone pit on the first lap, it would be faster for many to stay out, you can't have everyone pit at once, or many will get held up.
2. I haven't timed the differences between pitting on lap 1 vs 4, and I'm sure it's there, but something strange I can't figure out happens for pitting early in GT5, and I don't know what.
I've run great laps staying out longer then others, but no matter my pace, pitting earlier always puts them out front. Sometimes you can gain it back, but even if you do, you still have to get around them, and they've been able to save tires while you played catch-up.
3. If everyone were the same pace, pitting on lap 1 would not be best, but because we're not, it's always faster for faster drivers in the rear, to get clean air and actually be able to drive without dealing with traffic.

So these are more reasons I like the specific window, and different compounds. It makes people stay out and race for a bit, yet leaves room for different strategies, keeps us together for close racing, but leaves potential windows to escape from the pack.

 

[doctsuru_69]

When does a pit strategy benefit a slow driver like me? 💡

 

[The Widowmaker]

When does a pit strategy benefit a slow driver like me? 💡

It doesn't necessarily matter whether your faster or slower than anyone. If you keep clean or reel off consistent laps, or just run on your own, you can quite easily jump positions by the time you've pitted yourself. You don't always need to be the fastest (even if it is a sprint race!)

 

[doctsuru_69]

Yes, i believe consistency matters. It's one aspect i'm trying my best to achieve in order to compensate for my slower lap times. It's good to know though how my pit strategy helps my lap time. The lap 1 vs lap 4 pit strategy mentioned above is an interesting and new info I've learned. (do I look stupid?, hehe...)

 

[Wardez]

Btw here's a good primer for multi-class racing etiquette for people to take notes on, if you need them:

 

[paulmac2k9]

Love the bit where the yellow mustang does a big no no . But its good it has what not to do when being passed .

 

[CSLACR]

When does a pit strategy benefit a slow driver like me? 💡

When you use one that works best for you.

Yes, i believe consistency matters. It's one aspect i'm trying my best to achieve in order to compensate for my slower lap times. It's good to know though how my pit strategy helps my lap time. The lap 1 vs lap 4 pit strategy mentioned above is an interesting and new info I've learned. (do I look stupid?, hehe...)

 

[toyotsupra]

Btw here's a good primer for multi-class racing etiquette for people to take notes on, if you need them:

This needs to be posted on the main page for all those newbies Just like Chorda did 👍

 

[paulmac2k9]

This is the main page .

 

[Lynchy098]

Lol.

 

[toyotsupra]

This is the main page .

Lol

 

[NEPALII]

Great racing everyone! Poor driving performance from me . Meh, kinda expected it anyways. At least the race was clean and went without problems, so at least I can end the day in a decent mood.

 

[The Widowmaker]

Great racing everyone! Poor driving performance from me . Meh, kinda expected it anyways. At least the race was clean and went without problems, so at least I can end the day in a decent mood.

I'm not even gonna say the word....

I had a good run, two second places, lost out to Tony by less than two seconds in the sprint, did consistent 2.14 laps on hards, got the strategy just about right and didn't make any real errors. Successful race. I won't however be thanking Vodafone and the team though...

 

[NEPALII]

Yeah, don't say it... I won't be thanking my pit crew for sure, who allowed you to pass me.