GTRA | World Rally Championship | Season 2 in January 2012

[Downhill Dino]

Guys. Regrettable gonna have to retire from the series.

I'm starting to think so too.

 

[MoLiEG]

Guys. Regrettable gonna have to retire from the series.

Sorry to hear that, bro...

I'm starting to think so too.

Nooo, don't do it... Please???

Just to announce I'm done with the Rally of Sweden! It was challenging, but fun 👍

 

[Masi_23]

That's too bad Owens, i guess ill see you in the series' 👍

Anyway, seems like attention has swayed off a bit.

A few factors i think...
1. The bulk of the people that signed-up did so at about 3 weeks ago (people forgot)
2. New update
3. DLC

If we don't get as much people do times by the end of Rally Sweden, we might have to do a relaunch by re-doings sign-ups.

 

[mikekhel30]

That's too bad Owens, i guess ill see you in the series' 👍

Anyway, seems like attention has swayed off a bit.

A few factors i think...
1. The bulk of the people that signed-up did so at about 3 weeks ago (people forgot)
2. New update
3. DLC

If we don't get as much people do times by the end of Rally Sweden, we might have to do a relaunch by re-doings sign-ups.

How many people are still active though?

 

[Masi_23]

From what i can see, it's about 8-10. A far cry from 25 who has signed up.

 

[e.sport]

That's too bad Owens, i guess ill see you in the series' 👍

Anyway, seems like attention has swayed off a bit.

A few factors i think...
1. The bulk of the people that signed-up did so at about 3 weeks ago (people forgot)
2. New update
3. DLC

If we don't get as much people do times by the end of Rally Sweden, we might have to do a relaunch by re-doings sign-ups.

IMO - though with merit, the option of putting down times with someone spotting is too long. The WRC is run typically over a 3 day 'weekend'. Now if you lock in a weekend Friday pm - Monday am this should allow for the participants - in respective time zones to participate.

Driver DO NOT have the opportunity to run the tracks - 'special stages' other than a 'recce' (a single run in a non WRC car to prepare pace notes) hence the suggestion of a racing line - as there are no co-drivers (other than the rally mode - in GT Life).

Perhaps set times over this 3 day weekend will help some of the participants get those times in.

 

[mikekhel30]

From what i can see, it's about 8-10. A far cry from 25 who has signed up.

Hmmm, maybe its a good idea if we restart and open up sign ups again. I can see more people dropping out. We are not done with the first rally and we only have 8 remaining. Better to restart now than having 2-5 people competing by the middle of the season.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Jumping on the PS3 whenever someone else is on to get a lap time in doesn't work for me, as I've probably said before. Siblings, 3 of 'em, I can't take the TV whenever. I have to place a reserve down, and as this series has no specified times, it's quite difficult.

 

[CSLACR]

It does seem like given an open week to do runs people procrastinate, and probably end up not doing any runs.
Maybe people are assuming everyone that's been running has lots of practice and know the courses well?

Maybe set dates are the only way to work it out, I do like the idea of nobody getting practice runs in, the fear of others learning the track much better is unavoidable I think with created courses being shared ahead of time, at first I assumed I'd be at a disadvantage not practicing them much also.

But to really learn 11 miles of new track in a week or two isn't going to happen for most, so locking in "no practice" of sorts and runs on set dates/times might alleviate the concerns I have to assume are out there?

 

[Jubby]

I wonder if having dedicated rooms at dedicated times would help. This way a person could 'walk' in and do it. I would be more than willing to work with a few people to be a dedicated host at dedicated times. 💡

If we need to re-start the series, I'm okay with it(not but )... but I'd suggest starting after the 1st of the year, if we're restarting. I really don't want to wait that long, but with holidays in various countries... I would be afraid it'd impact the starting of the series and interest in starting. I don't know if it has any impact at this point on current sign ups. Hopefully then we can get the full lot in... not just 7 or 8.

At least maybe this way your hard work, Masi, on the tracks don't go to waste.

 

[Wardez]

Well I was planning on hitting it hard tomorrow...

 

[CSLACR]

Well I was planning on hitting it hard tomorrow...

I figured you'd come around soon, but it seems even with you in we're looking at maybe 10 out of 23 sign-ups.

How about you, dedicated times or random?

Perhaps we could do both, have some dedicated times to run, and others that open random rooms for people to join?
I can typically cover the dark hours of late night US time, but most people are on other schedules, either earlier or later.

 

[Masi_23]

First of all, i appreciate everyone that has participated so far. I think we need a relaunch and cut the Rallies to 5.

In reply...

I assumed we'd get a lot of people initially, and we did - through sign-ups. About 20 in less than a couple of days. But that didn't translate on-track.

Yeah.. i guess procrastination is a factor - then again we had about a 3 week delay because of testing, that surely did some damage i guess people just forget... then again 'again', i sent 2 notices about the start of Round 1... i guess they stopped caring at that point. lol

I checked most of the ones that registered and a number of them hasn't even logged-in on GTPlanet for more than week (or more). Wee can still do random runs - alongside an official set Rally Day... or... only have set timeslots with multiple hosts. One each for NA, Europe, and East Asia/Pacific?

Tree'd

@ Jubby - if the series grows (hopefully), stages will be added for future seasons. We keep the past ones to avoid the hassle
@ Wardez - Spidy sense is giving me a feeling that a horde of people will come out the bushes and do runs at the last minute ...or not
@ CSL - dedicated hosts per region? 1 or 2 per region (NA, Euro, Asia Pacific)​

 

[CSLACR]

First of all, i appreciate everyone that has participated so far. I think we need a relaunch and cut the Rallies to 5.

In reply...

I assumed we'd get a lot of people initially, and we did - through sign-ups. About 20 in less than a couple of days. But that didn't translate on-track.

Yeah.. i guess procrastination is a factor - then again we had about a 3 week delay because of testing, that surely did some damage i guess people just forget... then again 'again', i sent 2 notices about the start of Round 1... i guess they stopped caring at that point. lol

I checked most of the ones that registered and a number of them hasn't even logged-in on GTPlanet for more than week (or more). Wee can still do random runs - alongside an official set Rally Day... or... only have set timeslots with multiple hosts. One each for NA, Europe, and East Asia/Pacific?

I would say if we're doing it, just start the re-sign-ups now, and as people sign up, ask them what good times for official timeslots are for them.

I'd say probably two days, with 2-3 time slots each if possible. I think any more than that and we go back to people saying "nah, I'll do it on the next one" until it's to late.

I also think Spec II and DLC was far more distracting then the delay, and if some people aren't even logging in to GTP, then they were never really here in the first place.

 

[Masi_23]

Okay, Yay or Nay? Re-launch?

If so, I'll do a quick edit of the schedule later tonight. Got a class to attend.

 

[Jubby]

Go for relaunch.

Thank you if/when editing the schedule quickly. You will answer one of my questions; will there be enough time for me to do a "suspended" 24hr race.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I think I'll pass on the re-launch. I'm out. Sorry.

 

[Masi_23]

Plenty of time Jubby 👍

That's too bad Elite, how come?

 

[Downhill Dino]

Races probably won't work out. I can see it already. Scheduled and non-scheduled, people from all around the world and everything. It's just not going to work. But, if things seem to be better and I start having some time, I'll come right back to see if I can participate. 👍

 

[Masi_23]

Hmm.. i think we can still do single car runs, but you can only do it under the supervision of a qualified Steward (Me, Biffy, CSL, and Redreevos)... which brings me to another note.

If we do re-launch and have Rally Days, we'll introduce staggered starts to speed up the process.

It's going to be hard to find hosts since i can't really do weekends. Saturday - lots of distractions. Sunday - church and family time. Only available late at night.

 

[Miketoberfest]

I'm definitely still in. Was going to finish Sweden this Eve. I think there's too much time given for each stage. 3 to 4 days would be ideal giving people from different regions a chance to get together and blast out the whole stage in one night. Not focusing on learning the tracks but perhaps putting the emphasis on the excitement of running tracks for the first or second time as your run. These are ofcourse just a few thoughts. Regardless of how this series changes, or doesn't, Ill be participating.

 

[Jubby]

I know I don't quite have the altitude in the community yet(to be a steward, etc) but if I know ahead of time, I can block off time either later Saturday (beyond 6PM EST), most of the day Sunday, or Monday to host. I just wanted to throw that out there so we don't lose any options.

 

[Masi_23]

@ mike - actually had it initiall at 14 days, now its 6 days per rally. But yeah, 👍 for stick stickin around.

@ jubby - There's no set requirements for being a steward persae. It's more of an honor system where you trust that person enough that he'll do evertything right to, in this case, host sessions. But yeah, weekdays are the best times that suit me but mostly day time only. Im at work and class at nights.

 

[CSLACR]

Okay, Yay or Nay? Re-launch?

If so, I'll do a quick edit of the schedule later tonight. Got a class to attend.

Hmm.. i think we can still do single car runs, but you can only do it under the supervision of a qualified Steward (Me, Biffy, CSL, and Redreevos)... which brings me to another note.

If we do re-launch and have Rally Days, we'll introduce staggered starts to speed up the process.

It's going to be hard to find hosts since i can't really do weekends. Saturday - lots of distractions. Sunday - church and family time. Only available late at night.

I've had second thoughts on staged runs. The issue is timing, obviously people can't be allowed to leave early, which means they have .001 to get an equal start time as the first car, secondly, starting further back from the line adds distance to the run, even if only a few feet, combined with essentially having to leave late off the start by a tenth or more, it will total some time. I think so long as we don't get preoccupied with practice or drop it all together total time will not be an issue for sessions.

I believe Biffy is UK, so if he's still with us he may be able to host a more Euro friendly time, and I'm also not sure of Red or Wardez's schedule, (I know both western US though) but either may be able to host a different time also. It seems between us we manage US evening time well, but don't have much to offer other time zones.

In any case we must first have people that are going to race that need a different time zone, as of now I haven't seen many if any rooms/requests that weren't for US evening or night.

As for restart I would say wait and see in anyone is planning on running, but those that haven't been running so far (Wardez aside) haven't said anything at all in a week or more.

I say everyone that's posted something to either inform us of their status or practiced should go into WRC class, as that was intended for regular drivers, and they're the regulars as of now.
Anyone that hasn't posted and wants to stay in along with any new sign-ups can goo into promotion class.
Once into promotion class as long as they keep racing they can quickly jump to open spots in WRC, and championship points can transfer to WRC class at a 50% rate, meaning if they earn 36 points in promotions class and have good attendance they can transfer to WRC and keep 18 points in WRC class, so all is not lost.

We can also split ourselves across all 8 cars, I haven't counted how many have been around, but if we have more then 8, they can pair off to the first 8.

I'm a big fan of the first idea, second idea is more something people here have to be okay with I think.

 

[ELmarcotuff]

R we restarting again?

 

[ELmarcotuff]

If we do restart depending on what days are picked to do rally's, as long as there on weekends I can do them. Will u be posting a sign up link on here because im willing to stay

 

[Masi_23]

@ Everyone - Relaunch while keeping your car and current times inside the time-sheets? Or relaunch and wipe all current time and start all over (including sign-up, meaning you can pick any car available)?

@ CSL - On second thought, i think the current system works... i think the multiple distractions (2.0 and DLC) and the testing delay contributed to the current turn-out. As far as i can tell, about 8-10 have made runs? And there's still 2 days left. GTP_Pinoy has expressed to run as well as Wardez. Not sure about the others - that's about less than 50%.

What do you guys think? I think a fresh set of dedicated drivers is what we need not a new procedure.

@ Elmarcotuff - most likely. Stay tuned! 👍

 

[mikekhel30]

Id say to just do a complete restart to eliminate all confusions that can occur.

 

[CSLACR]

I'm gonna head out to a Spa in search of deep thoughts, maybe something will smack me upside the head.💡

Maybe I just need to go to the Spa for a bit...

 

[Masi_23]

hahaha

You take this round, good sir.