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[Masi_23]

Monaco.

You either love it or hate it.

I love Monaco for it's confined spaces and close racing. You have to work really hard and time your moves well to be able
to pass someone. Those close walls just makes the experience more immersive as it gives a heightened sense of speed.

On the other hand, one little mistake can cascade and lead to Armageddon type sh:censored:!

Exhibit A: Preseason Race in Season 1.



Holy 🤬!

And that's me squeezing past... "Excuse me... yup... coming through.. Bye!"

"Is there a party or something? Why are you all parking over there?"

 

[paulmac2k9]

@Masi you sure your not the lexus pinned on the wall by the gaiyaras

 

[Müle]

Oh, awesome!

I thought Daytona was next week. I wouldn't have been able to make it next week, but since there's a 2-week break, I should be able to.

Potential podium, here I come! I love Daytona almost as much as Le mans.

 

[Denilson]

I'm happy with my pole and fastest lap.. But that's all.

Yea, RedReevos, for some reason Wardez car went to a complete stop in T3 (Casino), and I had nowhere to go.. Don't know why, but perhepas a crash with the car in front. I was a good carlenght behind, and BAM!

If Wardez leave, I leave!

.. OR drivers need to leave... All stewards can expect a PM from me within 10 min.

 

[Wardez]

Thanks for all the consideration people but this is my last post. Good luck to you all. I wish I could keep going but I need to focus my energy at home now.

I'll make myself available for judging incidents but I won't be returning for season 3, it's been fun. Cheers.

 

[Lynchy098]

Things are about to get fk'd up :|

 

[Müle]

I'm happy with my pole and fastest lap.. But that's all.

Yea, RedReevos, for some reason Wardez car went to a complete stop in T3 (Casino), and I had nowhere to go.. Don't know why, but perhepas a crash with the car in front. I was a good carlenght behind, and BAM!

If Wardez leave, I leave!

.. OR drivers need to leave... All stewards can expect a PM from me within 10 min.

Thanks for all the consideration people but this is my last post. Good luck to you all. I wish I could keep going but I need to focus my energy at home now.

I'll make myself available for judging incidents but I won't be returning for season 3, it's been fun. Cheers.

 

[CSLACR]

It's very possible they'll be fixed, I may not have faith in some of the rules, but I still have faith in the guys running the series.

Only out of respect will I not bug Wardez to come back, though I know most of us really hope he reconsiders, but it's his decision in the end, he didn't join to make others have more fun, it's just what happened because he's an excellent, clean, and fair driver on all scopes.

 

[NEPALII]

Aww come on, you are all going to leave now? Im going to cry, seriously. Just kick the bad drivers, and keep the good ones. But please Wardez and Den, stay!

 

[redreevos]

Thanks for all the consideration people but this is my last post. Good luck to you all. I wish I could keep going but I need to focus my energy at home now.

I'll make myself available for judging incidents but I won't be returning for season 3, it's been fun. Cheers.

I understand my friend.. a mess of a race today, and you were on the receiving end of a lot of it.

I also totally understand the need to spend more energy on other things. I haven't been able to spend much time here myself.. and you and the other admins obviously have a lot on your plate.

But if you at some point change your mind, I for one would welcome you back with open arms.

 

[OwensRacing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiq_lFrlmjE


More to come

 

[CSLACR]

I'm disappointed I got so flustered off the, ahem, "start", it was just downhill from there.

I don't think the taps hurt Biffy or Wardez, (I hope not guys, looked very minimal in the race and replay)
Otherwise the only thing I can say is it's very hard to drive behind someone that doesn't know when to brake for the turns, and becomes a road block at random spots, of course you can give them more room, but there's cars behind you too.

Oh, and I guess I gave Red a boost into the pits. Didn't know he was that damaged he couldn't go faster.

I'm getting to the laughing point, which is good, anytime you start a race and get hockey-checked into the left wall the race is best forgotten.

 

[redreevos]

You are going to have to make a lot more videos if you want to catch all the strangeness in this one... Even as mellow as this video seems, it clearly shows a blatantly illegal start by one car and a reckless takeout of Wardez by another...

I think all of us in the race know who the few drivers were in this race. Unfortunately, on a track this tight, a few reckless/careless drivers really can ruin it for a group of respectful/clean racers. And most unfortunately, 1 very clean/respectful racer got punished multiple times by these less careful drivers.

I will try and figure out how to post the NTSC race replay for anyone that really wants to see the carnage by themselves. I assume I need to place the file on some sort of download service as I am pretty sure I can't post a file that large here.

Otherwise the only thing I can say is it's very hard to drive behind someone that doesn't know when to brake for the turns, and becomes a road block at random spots, of course you can give them more room, but there's cars behind you too.

Oh, and I guess I gave Red a boost into the pits. Didn't know he was that damaged he couldn't go faster.

I actually thank you for the "boost." It probably cut my trip to the pits in half.. Yeah that was a total collection zone.. No where to go when I got there, no where for C-Fal to go, and no where for you to go...

As for the braking for turns.. that does happen in this series a fair amount, as all the cars have strengths and weaknesses. I know there were a couple places where C-Fal and I needed to hit the brakes pretty hard to get the NSX's to pivot... as these cars have the uncanny ability to be tail happy, but also push, push, push.. Yet I was watching other cars in the video, barely touching the brakes if at all.

I know you are probably referring to other incidents as well.. but just wanted to clarify that it is important to recognize all the cars strengths and weaknesses to better understand braking points and places to pass safely.

Oh... and yes I did see how you were completely passed before the start even occurred. You mean you went to the trouble to qualify 4th and you didnt want to start in 5th?💡

Edit-
speaking of starts.. There were 2 people that totally disregarded the start rules of the series.. and they were both on the same team. Shocker that they both ended up being the people to screw up Wardez' race as well.

 

[CSLACR]

You are going to have to make a lot more videos if you want to catch all the strangeness in this one... Even as mellow as this video seems, it clearly shows a blatantly illegal start by one car and a reckless takeout of Wardez by another...

I think all of us in the race know who the few drivers were in this race. Unfortunately, on a track this tight, a few reckless/careless drivers really can ruin it for a group of respectful/clean racers. And most unfortunately, 1 very clean/respectful racer got punished multiple times by these less careful drivers.

I will try and figure out how to post the NTSC race replay for anyone that really wants to see the carnage by themselves. I assume I need to place the file on some sort of download service as I am pretty sure I can't post a file that large here.



I actually thank you for the "boost." It probably cut my trip to the pits in half.. Yeah that was a total collection zone.. No where to go when I got there, no where for C-Fal to go, and no where for you to go...

As for the braking for turns.. that does happen in this series a fair amount, as all the cars have strengths and weaknesses. I know there were a couple places where C-Fal and I needed to hit the brakes pretty hard to get the NSX's to pivot... as these cars have the uncanny ability to be tail happy, but also push, push, push.. Yet I was watching other cars in the video, barely touching the brakes if at all.

I know you are probably referring to other incidents as well.. but just wanted to clarify that it is important to recognize all the cars strengths and weaknesses to better understand braking points and places to pass safely.

Oh... and yes I did see how you were completely passed before the start even occurred. You mean you went to the trouble to qualify 4th and you didnt want to start in 5th?💡

Edit-
speaking of starts.. There were 2 people that totally disregarded the start rules of the series.. and they were both on the same team. Shocker that they both ended up being the people to screw up Wardez' race as well.

I had no problems with NSX's, I did test almost every...single...car... this week, on this track, out of curiosity, so I have some idea the differences, which is how I knew (a stock 1150kg can't) that an 1190KG Supra wasn't having a chance at pulling me in any acceleration test.

The braking issues I know are somewhat my issue to learn what cars will do what in different turns, the biggest issues I had were people over driving their cars to the point where they had to slow drastically to keep from crashing, and over did it, in the middle of the road, but anything like this I can easily overlook, and the blame can go both ways.


Basically, as I said, I am disappointed I let everything get to me so much, but I just ended up in a whirlwind of cars, not knowing who was who or who I needed to dodge half the time, it was just a mess that could only finish in the pile-up we had around the bend at pit lane.
I was surprised tuning in at 30 laps to see over half the cars on the track had damage, which meant shenanigans continued....

Edit: good to hear the boost helped.👍

 

[redreevos]

The braking issues I know are somewhat my issue to learn what cars will do what in different turns, the biggest issues I had were people over driving their cars to the point where they had to slow drastically to keep from crashing, and over did it, in the middle of the road, but anything like this I can easily overlook, and the blame can go both ways.

My comments on the braking wasn't meant to suggest that you didn't understand the different cars.. Sorry if it came off that way. Just was sharing an observation that I had noticed from racing with all these different makes at different courses. - and also a chance to make me feel better about being off the pace as my car(another word for driver?) really sucked here

Speaking of me being off pace here. I was wondering if I could get any of you when watching the replay, to spy a couple of my laps from say lap 8 -13, or from 24-28. I would love any comments as to where I was slow and could improve. Also, if there are any setup tips that any of you think I should have tinkered with here. A pm is always welcome as well.

I know, there were a lot more exciting things to see in this race. I also apologize for not having a capture device.

 

[OwensRacing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeEvIkSCyzg

Give me a lap number prefer time. I get video.

 

[Denilson]

Monace raceresult. NOT final (believe it or not)

1. SupraPhantom: 1:33.061
2. Remy_K: 1:31.527
3. OwensRacing: 1:32.839
4. chorda: 1:31.417
5. Lynchy098: 1:32.398
6. RedReevos: 1:33.917
7. BiffyClyro93: 1:31.971
8. toyotsupra: 1:34.184
9. C-Falcon89: 1:33.101
10. Paginas: 1:32.8XX
-. Wardez: 1:31.476
-. GTP_CSL

Pole: chorda: 1:31.330

I'll just do a short writeup from the race now hat I've settled down a bit.

Started from pole. Me, Paginas and Remy_K got a gap to 4th during the first lap. I had big trouble keeping pag behind me, and by lap 4, he passed me.. I then followed him, with Remy_K struggeling behind with his 120 kg ballast. GTP_CSL got DC'd around lap 3 s well if I recall.
I pitted at lap 13/54 for my first out of 3 stops.. Obvoiusly, me and Remy was on a 3 stopper, and pagi was on a 2 stopper..

My 2nd stint was pretty calm.. No major battles.. I guess I was lucky to start as pole from what I can see from the replay..
When I came out from my 2nd stop, comming out for my 3rd stint, I ended up just behind a quick pack containing supraphantom, remy and wardez.. I realized that Pagi had pulled a decent lead by now..

So it looked to be a massive fight fro 2nd.. While I was behind those 3.. (It was not a good timing for me to pass.. It was devistating for my race, but had to accept that there is no way I can pass those 3 guys in a tight pack, racing at full speed.. So I decided to sit back for a couple of lasp..) While behind Wardez and phantom (Remy got away) I noticed some really dirty driving from phantom.. Not nice at all. Squeezing wardez against walls, not giving space when entering turns side by side and oso on. By this time, I realized that both of them had worn tires.. So a 2 stopper perhaps.. So when I decided to close in, Wardez was going to let me pass, and slowed down a tad too much, which made me rear end him.. Really sad.. Had only 3-4 laps on my fresh set of tires.. So in to the pits for the 3rd time this race.. Wardez DC'd in the same period.

I was now catching up pretty quick since I had free road ahead for several laps.. And BAAAMMM!!! C-Falcon89 drove with a totally damage car (Why did you not pit?), and had a spin around the pool area.. I came full speed, and straight in to him.. Engine damage, and my 4th pit.. Decided to go for fastest lap.

Cought up to OwensRacing, and out of the last corner, I was a tad aggressive on the throttle and spun in to the right wall.. So, to the pits for the 5th time.. with 8 laps left. I saw Pagi DC around this time as well..

During the last 8 laps, my first objective wa to set fastest lap.. And I did.. 1:31.417 is a good time with 80 kg ballast.. But had probably about 1/4 of fuel, so perhaps it was equal as quali.. I don't know..

My second objective was to catch Lynchy098 who passed me during my last stop.. And I cought up to him by lap 52, and passed easy because of mt fresh tires, and his was worn pretty bad I guess..

It was a close call when I overtook him in the chicane, but we made it out in one piece..

Ended up in 4th, which is a good thing sice I'll gt ballast removed.. And alo got FL and PP.. So after all, the race was pretty much decent result wise.. Looking at all pit stops and such, it was obviously not a good race..

I do have to say that netiher C-Fal or Wardez did anything wrong when I recieved damage.. I was at the wrong place at the wrong time both times.. And it costs you around monaco..

I really feel sorry for Pag, who had a great race until he DC's around lap 45.. You did an awasome race mate. 👍

 

[redreevos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeEvIkSCyzg

Yeah.. that was a big ouch lap for Wardez. First he got pile-driven into the outside wall. When watched from bumper cam it was especially brutal. This collision caused quite a bit of damage as can be seen by his squirelly(?) car.

And then at the end of the lap, he got spun by the same car. Which collected quite a few of us. Really a perfect hiding spot for a wreck as nothing can be seen around that corner.

Give me a lap number prefer time. I get video.

Thanks Owens, I will post a time shortly.

 

[OwensRacing]

Yes Pag. I said out loud. noooooo he had this wrapped up!!! Feel for you bro.

 

[Müle]

Yeah, some people really need to be looked at and reevaluated to see if they really deserve to race here. Although, I'm afraid it may be too little, too late :/

I'm still really looking forward to Daytona. I'm one of the few cars without ballast now, and the Celica likes the faster tracks.

 

[redreevos]

@Chorda - Your perspective is refreshing on the race. You had some bad luck at this track, but your summary is about as rant free as it could possibly be. Great job on finishing fourth with all that happened. Also congrats on your fast week with both pole and fastest lap.

@Owens - As for time, I believe the lap that starts at 13:42 is pretty representative. Thanks for doing this.. and no worries if you don't get the time. I know its a lot of work.

@Paginas - Bummer man about the disconnect. Its too bad the Denso team didn't get a car to finish the race. Really unfortunate considering how fast you guys were here.

I noticed some really dirty driving from phantom.. Not nice at all. Squeezing wardez against walls, not giving space when entering turns side by side and oso on.

Yeah, noticed the same thing. It was very ugly. I am not sure why the Toyota Team was so against Wardez having a clean race here. Are they pissed because he is from the Lexus division

 

[CaptainFalcon89]

Chorda, I had only received damage on that lap and was on my way back to the pit.

 

[Andil]

Are there other videos to come of later in the race?

Certainly from looking at the start there are a couple of incidents but imo looks like some massive over reactions so far unless something dreadful happened later on in the race.

Since I'm awake way too early for a weekend, mini race report time:

Started on pole and managed to get a good start, I think most others did too and our race was underway fairly cleanly.

In the first few laps I was easily gapping Adam without even feeling the need to push, just getting round, keeping some distance between me and the barrier. By lap 4 or so that was up to 2.5 seconds and I was thinking I'd somehow got an easy race on my hands. As I was thinking this, I came round the final corner and hit the inside barrier. ...oh. Not so easy anymore

Adam was right on my tail now. Managed to keep him behind with some quite defensive driving, but I'm no Schumacher, so he got by after a couple of laps and maybe pulled 1sec a lap on me with damage.

I actually did a 4-stop this race, because I was running 3secs slower after 10 laps - maths meant it'd therefore be quicker to do 4 instead of 3 stops.

This meant I had to do a lot of passing, getting past Rav and Atlas to regain position, but it worked out still quicker with this strategy. Managed to pass Rav round the outside of Massinee, but sadly no double pass there this time

In the closing laps I was behind Atlas after my last stop for 2nd place, who defended excellently, but I had just enough room to pass at Casino and was through. Different freshness of tyres helped a lot though.

Still, finished ~20secs behind Adam despite the two additional stops. Trying to look into why there's such a difference in tyre wear - who else uses a DS3? I wonder if its due to 'turning the wheel' faster with a controller and scrubbing the tyres more? I'd love a wheel user to try a long stint on the wheel, then on controller, and see what they find! 👍 Maybe its just driving style, maybe jgtc cars have lower tyre wear, maybe my team are using tyre softener on my fronts. Who knows!

 

[Litchi]

Hi all. Small return on my race (no glory) yesterday.

Apparently there was a small problem about my limitations as Aderrrm didn't seem to be aware that I had 30kg of ballast. I stayed honest by saying that I was 1205kg and 535pp.

It all starts well, the formation lap impeccable. But I hit twistedfireworks in High Mirabeau. A damage for me, I hope he did not get ... I pass under the tunnel and I'll be right in contact MULE_9242. I will jump into the Chicane. He left the door open to let me pass, I then rises to another small group.

In my race added a detail: there was my wife with me last night ...

I started to hit a wall, pits. 2 walls, pits. 3 walls, pits ... She bothered me and I was distracted. On this track, it doesn't forgive ...

I finally decided to stay in the pits to avoid disturbing others on the track. I also hope that I haven't ruined the race of people because of my mistakes ...

EDIT: I hope there will be no complaint against me. I admit I did some errors braking points and I even hit an Apex MRS at the chicane (Ravellron I think). It cost me a mess ...

I have read your posts and I see that Wardez wants to leave the championship. It's a shame because he really is a good driver. He's the first I met and introduced me to this championship.

I love your law is very strict, it allows for relatively closes races, I love!



Sorry for this very bad english (google). I hope you understand anyway.

 

[redreevos]

Certainly from looking at the start there are a couple of incidents but imo looks like some massive over reactions so far unless something dreadful happened later on in the race.

I understand that you have not seen the whole race and the repeated actions of certain individuals.. But I think you are way off, stating that there are "massive over reactions." That seems like a strong reaction in itself to many things that were not seen.

I think at this point it is probably better to trust the clean and seasoned drivers that were actually in the race. I understand that you are just trying to calm the situation.. but unfortunately telling us that we are over-reacting does exactly the opposite(at least for me).

On a seperate note, thank you for the race report. I am glad that the GT300 room went a bit better than our room.

Congratulations Adam on yet another win!

 

[Biffy]

Compared to a few other guys races, mine was not so bad, although it was another case of one bad move and my race was over. Noticed that Phantom was way ahead of where he should of been, to actually be ahead of CSL and not slow down atall is just disrespectful. First lap, 2nd corner, I managed to pull off a daring but my best move of the race on CSL as he was slowing down (Apologies if this is what you were referring to as divebombing), although I kept it as clean as I could as far inside as I could, and had another run on Phantom going into the next corner but he instantly shut me out. I could live with that. Going through the downhill corners me and CSL had a mini-battle for position in some tricky areas, side-by-side at times, but it was clean and I was very thankful for that 👍 It was a shame when I got past him and he started falling back, no doubt due to the incidents that occurred.

Skip to a few laps ahead and I was behind Phantom, keeping the pressure on him, with Lynchy behind me. One lap, not sure on the number, I was faster than Phantom on the straight and was on his inside going into the first corner. It was quite clear I was going to make a move, and I didn't expect him to move over, although a little room would of been appreciated. But no, he acts like I'm not even there and literally crushes me into the wall, slowing me down but amazingly not damaging me, but ofc, inevitably Lynchy ploughed into my rear and gave me damage. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here and say that he was too close to react, there wasn't much time between the incidents, I just found it incredibly frustrating that, giving overtaking drivers room to breathe being a basic rule, Phantom simply wasn't doing that. Luckily I found the damage wasn't too difficult to control and didn't require a pitstop, although it was beginning to be more and more of a challenge to stop the car going into a wall with increasing tyre wear, and eventually I hit a wall trying to do too much and damaged the front left of my car, so I thought 🤬 it, "I'll damage the other side of the car to keep it balanced".. Yeah, I'd got to that stage where it just wasn't fun anymore. Pitted on lap 13, cause I was just losing too much time. When I came out C-Fal was ahead of me. I passed him but then going into the chicane, I braked too early it seems being careful as my brakes were quite cold, and clipped the inside corner of the chicane by what must of been the tiniest of margins, giving me damage, and then almost like a repeat of the first incident, C-Fal, too close to me to react, crashed into the back of me giving me full engine damage. I felt so cheated because I could of sworn that visually I did not touch the wall, but GT5 didn't agree. Back to the pits again. So I'd gone from 20 seconds behind the leaders to 1 minute and 20 secs behind the leaders in two laps, and I was matching their pace. For the next 30 or so laps nothing much happened except for a battle between me and Paginas who was a lap ahead of me but on worn tyres, and I was fast catching him. We had some close moments and I gave him a little nick on the rear trying to pass him as carefully as possible, and I am sorry for that, I was scared that I had given him damage and backed off. Inevitably though I was much faster being on better tyres and back on his rear again, but held off any risky moves. Eventually we were almost side-by-side on the straight and he braked early to let me through, so as not to risk any incident.

I noticed I was catching up to RedReevos and in the closing stages I pitted later than him, around lap 32/33, so I would have better tyres, and later on in the last 10 or so laps, I was on his tail as well as close to about 4 other cars. I started pressuring him and trying to get past, but I was too reckless around him, and although not pushing him around or anything, I was making some little taps that could of been dangerous and just wasn't focused enough. So I stayed behind him going into the chicane one lap, and he had a collision with Remy, and like a repeat of my incident in the same place, I ploughed into the back of his car with not enough time to react. I ended up ahead going into the pits, and I just didn't feel that this was fair considering the way I drove around him. So on the first corner I slowed down and waited for him to pass me, and then focused myself and started driving properly again. I caught back up to him, and reserved myself around the corners, although eventually I ended up trying to overtake him again, and we had some great battles through the last few laps, being so close that in the last lap I slid at the last corner and he managed to get a good run on me, overtaking me and the last few seconds.

Tbh I don't won't to race here again, it's a nice circuit but the size of the GT500 cars, their power, and the constraints of GT5 Online make for a bad mix. And then you filter in the fact that we are not Professional Racing Drivers.

And you may have already made your decision Wardez, but I really want you to stay. Each Admin of this series has done a superb job with everything. Sure it's not perfect and it can take a while to reap the rewards of your actions, but I'm afraid that's life and we all have to deal with it. Personally though I think this series is brilliant. I can honestly say I trust several drivers in this series to race as clean as possible with, and they are all great drivers who all make this series great. This week has been bad for GT500s yes, but let's not forget the season as a whole, it's been brilliant so far, and I believe next season will be much better still.

Please, don't let the negatives outdo the positives. Because the number of positives in this series are by far larger than the number of negatives, we just need to work together to drown out all the negatives.

 

[Adam41]

Hi all. Small return on my race (no glory) yesterday.

Apparently there was a small problem about my limitations as Aderrrm didn't seem to be aware that I had 30kg of ballast. I stayed honest by saying that I was 1205kg and 535pp.

Really sorry about that. When I was checking the PP's I noted you had 30kg and should have had 535 PP. However when I posted the weights and PP here I took the normal figures off of the Garaiya for some reason, and then created a new list for when I was doing checks in the room. Thanks for being honest. 👍👍

Tbh I don't won't to race here again, it's a nice circuit but the size of the GT500 cars, their power, and the constraints of GT5 Online make for a bad mix. And then you filter in the fact that we are not Professional Racing Drivers.

Monaco is one of the best tracks on GT5 for some seriously good racing because you feel the effects of the slipstream less. You actually have to plan your overtake, like in real life, rather than relying on the slipstream to help you make a pass. You can't be up the person's backside because the straight is so short you need to make the most of the slipstream to pull along side - you need to time it just right. It's just a certain few who RUIN it for others.

 

[Biffy]

Monaco is one of the best tracks on GT5 for some seriously good racing because you feel the effects of the slipstream less. You actually have to plan your overtake, like in real life, rather than relying on the slipstream to help you make a pass. You can't be up the person's backside because the straight is so short you need to make the most of the slipstream to pull along side - you need to time it just right. It's just a certain few who RUIN it for others.

Don't get me wrong, I love the track and driving around it can be such a thrill at times. Just if we do it next season, I feel that there should be a two week break before it so people can get more practice in and get used to the track properly, and if that isn't possible then there at least be some emphasis to learn the track properly and understand that you can't take it like it's a wide racing circuit. It's unique and so is it's challenge. Some people need to really take that into consideration next time.

 

[Supraphantom]

Skip to a few laps ahead and I was behind Phantom, keeping the pressure on him, with Lynchy behind me. One lap, not sure on the number, I was faster than Phantom on the straight and was on his inside going into the first corner. It was quite clear I was going to make a move, and I didn't expect him to move over, although a little room would of been appreciated. But no, he acts like I'm not even there and literally crushes me into the wall, slowing me down but amazingly not damaging me, but ofc, inevitably Lynchy ploughed into my rear and gave me damage.

Is it this incident ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms-sIRw0qt0
If it is... i cant find any ruels in the op thet gives you right to the corner ?
Wen you are whit your nose wer my ass is you give me a bump, i follow my line as i did 56 of 56 laps in the race.

 

[NEPALII]

You just cant push someone into a wall. You can block a bit, yes, like I have done before, but you cant force them into a wall or grass, and that's what you did. The more I watch these videos, the more disappointed I get with some of you.