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[Supraphantom]

You just cant push someone into a wall. You can block a bit, yes, like I have done before, but you cant force them into a wall or grass, and that's what you did. The more I watch these videos, the more disappointed I get with some of you.

If he start to press his car to mine, he starts to ding somthing wrong.
I felt like a hade 3 options.
Try to give him space whith 90% shans to hit the wall ore breka and let him by. ore do as i did.

He cold just brake and try ones more later.

 

[OwensRacing]

Is it this incident ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms-sIRw0qt0
If it is... i cant find any ruels in the op thet gives you right to the corner ?
Wen you are whit your nose wer my ass is you give me a bump, i follow my line as i did 56 of 56 laps in the race.

Red Car needed to use brakes. Just because a nose is beside a car doesn't give you corner rights. You have to be beside them even to gain those inside rights. Otherwise red car should of braked a lil earlier and worked a run up the hill.

My perception of said video.

 

[Biffy]

Is it this incident ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms-sIRw0qt0
If it is... i cant find any ruels in the op thet gives you right to the corner ?
Wen you are whit your nose wer my ass is you give me a bump, i follow my line as i did 56 of 56 laps in the race.

I didn't expect you to just let me through, but when I'm coming along the inside, you can't just act like I'm not there.

Only reason I was pressing against you is because I had nowhere else to go, so why you decided to press me back against a wall I don't know. And if you gave me room I would of braked tightly around the inside of the corner, if you kept it right you would of had more speed around the outside.

 

[Supraphantom]

I didn't expect you to just let me through, but when I'm coming along the inside, you can't just act like I'm not there.

Only reason I was pressing against you is because I had nowhere else to go, so why you decided to press me back against a wall I don't know. And if you gave me room I would of braked tightly around the inside of the corner, if you kept it right you would of had more speed around the outside.

Im sorry fore the results. allways sad wen some one crash.
It was a split secund decision. Maybe wrong byt not against the rules.

 

[Paginas1]

I'm so upset, I knew I should of reset my router before hand, I had such an amazing race and it was ruined

had great battle with chorda and Remy

 

[Müle]

I didn't expect you to just let me through, but when I'm coming along the inside, you can't just act like I'm not there.

Only reason I was pressing against you is because I had nowhere else to go, so why you decided to press me back against a wall I don't know. And if you gave me room I would of braked tightly around the inside of the corner, if you kept it right you would of had more speed around the outside.

You could have hit the brakes earlier and avoided the whole thing. He clearly had corner rights, as you had little more than a nose on him. Owens hit the nail on the head here. 100% agree with him.

 

[Biffy]

You could have hit the brakes earlier and avoided the whole thing. He clearly had corner rights, as you had little more than a nose on him. Owens hit the nail on the head here. 100% agree with him.

Honestly, yes I could've and probably should've braked earlier, but the run I got and with the draft I was in and the way it is in GT5, I expected to be right next to him into the corner. By the time I realised that I wouldn't get there it was too late, and I couldn't brake too early because Lynchy was right behind me. My mistake to go along the inside, but that still doesn't give you can the right to push someone into a wall.

 

[Supraphantom]

Honestly, yes I could've and probably should've braked earlier, but the run I got and with the draft I was in and the way it is in GT5, I expected to be right next to him into the corner. By the time I realised that I wouldn't get there it was too late, and I couldn't brake too early because Lynchy was right behind me. My mistake to go along the inside, but that still doesn't give you can the right to push someone into a wall.

i dint puch you into the wall with purpose. im sorry.
but you can not blame it on me.
Honestly I think it can be seen as reckless driving from you.
Im lucka im not finish in the wall on the outeside.

 

[twistedfirework]

It's just like Hamilton and Maldonado on the same turn. By those rules the lead car dud nothing wrong. I believe if you can't overtake without hitting the car infront then don't try it. The lead car dictates the corner. If you are not alongside he can turn in. Just my opinion.

 

[Andil]

Owens --> Nail on the head. I wrote a long reply but there's no need, you got it in one.

 

[paulmac2k9]

Hi all. Small return on my race (no glory) yesterday.

Apparently there was a small problem about my limitations as Aderrrm didn't seem to be aware that I had 30kg of ballast. I stayed honest by saying that I was 1205kg and 535pp.

It all starts well, the formation lap impeccable. But I hit twistedfireworks in High Mirabeau. A damage for me, I hope he did not get ... I pass under the tunnel and I'll be right in contact MULE_9242. I will jump into the Chicane. He left the door open to let me pass, I then rises to another small group.

In my race added a detail: there was my wife with me last night ...

I started to hit a wall, pits. 2 walls, pits. 3 walls, pits ... She bothered me and I was distracted. On this track, it doesn't forgive ...

I finally decided to stay in the pits to avoid disturbing others on the track. I also hope that I haven't ruined the race of people because of my mistakes ...

EDIT: I hope there will be no complaint against me. I admit I did some errors braking points and I even hit an Apex MRS at the chicane (Ravellron I think). It cost me a mess ...

I have read your posts and I see that Wardez wants to leave the championship. It's a shame because he really is a good driver. He's the first I met and introduced me to this championship.

I love your law is very strict, it allows for relatively closes races, I love!



Sorry for this very bad english (google). I hope you understand anyway.

i think it was me Litchy i felt a bang in the rear at the chicane when you were behind me then you dropped off but luckily i got no damage it did give me a heart attack though but it also focused my mind lol

 

[Masi_23]

@ Biff - As i have written in the OP, you weren't fully along side Supra before turn-in point, so he had corner rights.

 

[CSLACR]

Certainly from looking at the start there are a couple of incidents but imo looks like some massive over reactions so far unless something dreadful happened later on in the race.

You may be right, so to put it in no uncertain terms, without being bent out of shape at the time of writing, myself and others have no desire to put in 5 hours (maybe more for some) in practice, qualifying, and race time, just to have people repeatedly intentionally break the rules.
If what happened off the start were an accident, that would be one thing, but you can't "accidentally" pull up, and pass the car that qualifies in front of you, (before the start), accelerate before they do, and then immediately drive like they are no longer there.

If it somehow was an accident, where is the apology? Where is "sorry I took 4th from you, then checked you into the left wall to ensure I kept 4th which was never mine to begin with? Let alone rescinding the position... There is simply no excuse for it.

Accidents are one thing, and part of racing, cheating off the start is another. If the start hadn't happened the way it did, the rest of what happened in my race would have been much less an issue, as nobody else really did anything to me, but I can see what drivers are doing in front of me, I can see when driver x is playing bumper cars with Wardez, and I can see when there's a pileup with said bumper car driver at the front, that their recklessness has yet again caused a crash, affecting almost half the field.

And when all these things happen, it's just not fun, I'd rather finish 12th in a clean race then play hockey for 50 laps and finish 1st.

@ Biffy, you did nothing to me, I'm gonna watch another angle in a second here, but everything I saw from you was good. (and yes I was letting you by because I effed the chicane so dirty)

@ Red, no worries, it's a very fair point that I don't know exactly how these different cars handle different turns, and all the braking points, I was tired from the start, and as I said, I'm disappointed I let it get to me so much, but being blatantly cheated of the start just ruined it for me.

FTW - The quickest car I tested this week at this track was, in fact, (my fav GT500 car) the Z.

 

[Supraphantom]

Accidents are one thing, and part of racing, cheating off the start is another. If the start hadn't happened the way it did, the rest of what happened in my race would have been much less an issue, as nobody else really did anything to me, but I can see what drivers are doing in front of me, I can see when driver x is playing bumper cars with Wardez, and I can see when there's a pileup with said bumper car driver at the front, that their recklessness has yet again caused a crash, affecting almost half the field.

I jumptstart because of you...
Look 0:07 in this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l67T0EEOFEc
You goes from 64kmh... im still behind you looking starght ahead to look wen Shorda pulls awy.
Then YOU release the gas to 0% gas and you fall down to 59kmh this is making me driving by you... so you are doingit wrong !!!!!
I had 2-3 cars space to 3rd in the start. what wer you thinking at ?

 

[redreevos]

I jumptstart because of you...
Look 0:07 in this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l67T0EEOFEc
You goes from 64kmh... im still behind you looking starght ahead to look wen Shorda pulls awy.
Then YOU release the gas to 0% gas and you fall down to 59kmh this is making me driving by you... so you are doingit wrong !!!!!
I had 2-3 cars space to 3rd in the start. what wer you thinking at ?

Absolutely a jump start. Not even close. I was looking at this yesterday. You are supposed to be completely behind his car. Before it was even time to go, you pulled even with him(and ahead of him at certain points). Have you read the OP on the rules for a start?

As far as you not driving people into walls. You have to be kidding here. I watched about 10 minutes of your replay yesterday and was disgusted. The part when you pinched Wardez into the pit exit forcing him into the back of Remy was horrible sportsmanship. And yes, I watched your normal racing line. And it was not close to where you where. I watched you time after time, go way off your racing line to push Wardez toward the wall when he had a run on you. And this is not on the last lap.

You are way off the spirit of this series IMO.

Edit - It really sucks to even have to talk about this kind of stuff... The rules are so straight forward as to how the start should begin. We have been following the same rules all season as well. As far as pinching people into walls, this wouldn't occur if the person being pinched just pushed you back. Which is what you have to do in online public lobbies. But the people that race here don't want to have to bang doors all the way down the track. It is unnecessary if both drivers are respectful. There are also clear rules in the OP to avoid this kind of destructive driving. Its unfortunate that clean drivers like CSL, Wardez, and Biffy had to have there races effected so much.

Phantom, please watch your replay of the race with a clear mind. Look at how you start the race, compared to everyone else on the grid. Try watching the race from Wardez or Chorda's perspective for a few laps.

I am not meaning this as a personal attack towards you Phantom. You are clearly fast around the track. I just think if you step back for a second and look at again, you might see that some of those moves were not necessary.

 

[Masi_23]

RedReevos is right. You cannot be alongside like that before the start. You must be fully behind the other car and wait for 'that' car opposite of you to go before 'you' go.

Here is my fantastic new diagram to show as an example..

Ideal rolling pack at MINIMUM distance:

 

[CSLACR]

I jumptstart because of you...
Look 0:07 in this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l67T0EEOFEc
You goes from 64kmh... im still behind you looking starght ahead to look wen Shorda pulls awy.
Then YOU release the gas to 0% gas and you fall down to 59kmh this is making me driving by you... so you are doingit wrong !!!!!
I had 2-3 cars space to 3rd in the start. what wer you thinking at ?

I don't have to be up the car in front's ass, that's my choice, not the car behind's choice.
It was a reasonable distance to follow, knowing I had the quickest accelerating car on the track that wasn't an NSX.

As Red said, you were supposed to be completely behind me, take a look at the starting grid image in the OP section, The cars aren't side-by-side, let alone jumping order.
And as others have implied, it seems some people either can't be bothered to read the rules, or just don't care to follow them,

 

[Supraphantom]

RedReevos is right. You cannot be alongside like that before the start. You must be fully behind the other car and wait for 'that' car opposite of you to go before 'you' go.

Here is my fantastic new diagram to show as an example..

Ideal rolling pack at MINIMUM distance:

I now.
But before he goes of the gas I'm maybey 20cm to far ahead and could still make it right. But wen he goes of the gas I'm clearly not behind anymore.
Jumpstart I now.
But is it ok to goe of the gas just before the start like that ?

 

[redreevos]

I now.
But before he goes of the gas I'm maybey 20cm to far ahead and could still make it right. But wen he goes of the gas I'm clearly not behind anymore.
Jumpstart I now.
But is it ok to goe of the gas just before the start like that ?

You are making this way too complicated. He is adjusting to the car in front, as all of us do as we go around the track during the warmup lap. We all adjust our speed. We aren't robots.

It is quite simple to just stay behind the car that has position on you. Doesn't matter if he is a full second late to hit the gas. You have to wait for him. There is no "gray" area here.

Edit -
Just watched the video again to confirm. CSL was plenty steady at the start. I really have no idea what you are talking about when saying he has drastic throttle input change.

 

[Masi_23]

@ Supra - Even if he made a 100 yard gap from the car in-front of him, you're still not allowed to go past that MINIMUM DISTANCE.
As i see in the video, he was at-least 2-3 car lengths behind - which is a reasonable and safe distance.

This method is used in respect of the qualifying spots people earned so breaching these rules will get you penalized.

 

[Supraphantom]

You are making this way too complicated. He is adjusting to the car in front, as all of us do as we go around the track during the warmup lap. We all adjust our speed. We aren't robots.

It is quite simple to just stay behind the car that has position on you. Doesn't matter if he is a full second late to hit the gas. You have to wait for him. There is no "gray" area here.

Edit -
Just watched the video again to confirm. CSL was plenty steady at the start. I really have no idea what you are talking about when saying he has drastic throttle input change.

Are you kidding me?
You know where the indicator of gas is?
Watch it and you'll see that it is at around 7-8% then it drops the bar to the bottom.
You can also see that the speedometer drops

I'll take the punishment for jumpstart. no problem.
This is my fisr start thet goes wrong so stop the BS !

 

[Supraphantom]

Absolutely a jump start. Not even close. I was looking at this yesterday. You are supposed to be completely behind his car. Before it was even time to go, you pulled even with him(and ahead of him at certain points). Have you read the OP on the rules for a start?

As far as you not driving people into walls. You have to be kidding here. I watched about 10 minutes of your replay yesterday and was disgusted. The part when you pinched Wardez into the pit exit forcing him into the back of Remy was horrible sportsmanship. And yes, I watched your normal racing line. And it was not close to where you where. I watched you time after time, go way off your racing line to push Wardez toward the wall when he had a run on you. And this is not on the last lap.

You are way off the spirit of this series IMO.

Edit - It really sucks to even have to talk about this kind of stuff... The rules are so straight forward as to how the start should begin. We have been following the same rules all season as well. As far as pinching people into walls, this wouldn't occur if the person being pinched just pushed you back. Which is what you have to do in online public lobbies. But the people that race here don't want to have to bang doors all the way down the track. It is unnecessary if both drivers are respectful. There are also clear rules in the OP to avoid this kind of destructive driving. Its unfortunate that clean drivers like CSL, Wardez, and Biffy had to have there races effected so much.

Phantom, please watch your replay of the race with a clear mind. Look at how you start the race, compared to everyone else on the grid. Try watching the race from Wardez or Chorda's perspective for a few laps.

I am not meaning this as a personal attack towards you Phantom. You are clearly fast around the track. I just think if you step back for a second and look at again, you might see that some of those moves were not necessary.

I'm not saying it's nice run, but it's within the rules of OP

Here sqees Werder, but I change only line ones and he gives enough room for him to fit.
I did not realize Remy_K is on its way out of the pit.
Werder should realized that he would not make it before Ramy_K comes out.WSGT 2 Monaco 1 - YouTube

another angle
WSGT 2 Monaco 1.1 - YouTube

Werder trying to overtake where there is no space and presses himself with many small kontket as a result. Later on the top of the hill I bump to W a bit, but nowhere near what he did before. Normally, I would let him past, but since his overtaking whas alot worse then mine, i did not.WSGT 2 Monaco 2 - YouTube

In this one i dont think i need to defend my self.
If any driver thik he can overtake here i dont now wat he thinking at....
WSGT 2 Monace 3 - YouTube

 

[Masi_23]

Are you kidding me?
You know where the indicator of gas is?
Watch it and you'll see that it is at around 7-8% then it drops the bar to the bottom.
You can also see that the speedometer drops

I'll take the punishment for jumpstart. no problem.
This is my fisr start thet goes wrong so stop the BS !

That does not matter.

You are not allowed to cross minimum distance regardless.

End of discussion.

 

[Supraphantom]

That does not matter.

You are not allowed to cross minimum distance regardless.

End of discussion.

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He wrote that he could not see that he released the gas.
I described how he could.

 

[Biffy]

i dint puch you into the wall with purpose. im sorry.
but you can not blame it on me.
Honestly I think it can be seen as reckless driving from you.
Im lucka im not finish in the wall on the outeside.

Reckless driving? What did you think I was going to do? Forget about the brakes and just plough you into a wall? Fine, I shouldn't of been there, it was a misjudgement on my part and I apologise for that. However, you may not have meant to put me into a wall, but you don't even seem to be aware I'm there and pin me against it, resulting in said incident. I couldn't brake early when Lynchy was right on my trail.

@ Biff - As i have written in the OP, you weren't fully along side Supra before turn-in point, so he had corner rights.

I'm fully aware of this, and hell, penalise me for making the mistake of going to Phantom's inside or whatever, I'll accept that, the push against the wall however isn't justified for me. The best he could of done is give me a little room around the inside to brake tightly against. I would of lost time coming out of the exit of the corner, but that's better than gaining damage. I've read what everyone has said, that it's my fault. But what are you trying to say? That if you make the mistake of getting a little bit down the inside you're perfectly liable to be ignored and pushed into a wall for example? Corner rights or no corner rights, I'm sorry but I can't accept that the car in front can do whatever they want as long as the car behind them is a little bit down their inside. I understand it's rather silly to compare GT5 with real-life racing, considering the number of differences, however real-life drivers are always aware of the cars around them, and they give space to other cars no matter where they are on the track, most of the time anyway (Unless that driver is Schumacher, where you might as well just drive yourself off track, otherwise he'll do it for you )

FTW - The quickest car I tested this week at this track was, in fact, (my fav GT500 car) the Z.

Thanks for that Shows just how bad I am with this car, can't set it up or control it right for 🤬

 

[redreevos]

Are you kidding me?
You know where the indicator of gas is?
Watch it and you'll see that it is at around 7-8% then it drops the bar to the bottom.
You can also see that the speedometer drops

I'll take the punishment for jumpstart. no problem.
This is my fisr start thet goes wrong so stop the BS !

The BS? We are quoting clear rules that have been in place since the beginning of the series.

To answer your question, yes I know where the throttle indicator is on the replay. 7-8% and to zero, are you serious here? That is a miniscule change in throttle, especially considering this is a game and not a perfectly modulated vehicle.

Your wall of repetitive text sums everything up for me. I don't want to waste anymore time here responding to this sillyness. I just think we will never see sportsmanship the same way.

Edit -
@Biffy - I think I am talking about the right incident. I apologize if I am not. First corner, correct? I don't agree that was reckless there, you are taking your line. There is no way Phantom should have been there. The reason he was, because he jumped the start and had a lot of extra speed. He could have easily left enough room there for you both to get through. From watching his race, he is frequently causing situations that "encourage" contact. While most of the rest of us are doing our best to avoid the contact.

 

[NEPALII]

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He wrote that he could not see that he released the gas.
I described how he could.

Stop acting like a little kid... The rules are the rules. Done.

 

[Supraphantom]

Stop acting like a little kid... The rules are the rules. Done.

And I accept my punishment for having made a Jumpstart....
As I wrote....

 

[Masi_23]

Am i gonna have to go Yuji Ide in this b***h?

Most likely

There will be an announcement soon. Stay tuned people.

 

[CSLACR]

Reckless driving? What did you think I was going to do? Forget about the brakes and just plough you into a wall? Fine, I shouldn't of been there, it was a misjudgement on my part and I apologise for that. However, you may not have meant to put me into a wall, but you don't even seem to be aware I'm there and pin me against it, resulting in said incident. I couldn't brake early when Lynchy was right on my trail.

I'm fully aware of this, and hell, penalise me for making the mistake of going to Phantom's inside or whatever, I'll accept that, the push against the wall however isn't justified for me. The best he could of done is give me a little room around the inside to brake tightly against. I would of lost time coming out of the exit of the corner, but that's better than gaining damage. I've read what everyone has said, that it's my fault. But what are you trying to say? That if you make the mistake of getting a little bit down the inside you're perfectly liable to be ignored and pushed into a wall for example? Corner rights or no corner rights, I'm sorry but I can't accept that the car in front can do whatever they want as long as the car behind them is a little bit down their inside. I understand it's rather silly to compare GT5 with real-life racing, considering the number of differences, however real-life drivers are always aware of the cars around them, and they give space to other cars no matter where they are on the track, most of the time anyway (Unless that driver is Schumacher, where you might as well just drive yourself off track, otherwise he'll do it for you )

I haven't seen any of your incidents yet, but I do agree just because a car doesn't have corner rights, doesn't mean the car with corner rights should just drive like the other car isn't there, in any case, things happen that control our options at times, and the car with corner rights should always be aware of that, let alone the possibility that the car without corner rights may be in a pinch where they'll back off as much as they can.

I said it after the Monza race, there's only two things required for good clean fun racing.
The ability to trust the driver next to you.
Respect for other people on the track.

Skill can play a factor in honest accidents, but in any and every case, if the two things I listed are there, everything will fall into place nicely.

Thanks for that Shows just how bad I am with this car, can't set it up or control it right for 🤬

Sorry, I ran a first lap in practice (not real solid either) of 1:32.5 with it, for me the Denso and my GTR were very close, hard for me to say which was second quickest.
Probably the Denso because I have so much time spent with the GTR giving it an experience advantage.