Just one more thing I want to clear up: Turn 11, can we put 2 wheels on the inside of the kerb? As for Turn 12, can we go wide of the white line with 2 wheels or not?
Regarding turn 11: YES 👍
Regarding turn 12: YES, you can go "wide" as long as 2 wheels are inside or touching white line / Black-white curb.
The lap will be dirty if 3 wheels or more are outside of the white line / Black-white curb.
I don't understand where the 30 sec comes from...what if it's 5 or 10 or 29? Or is it just an example? Does this mean the resulting penalty will be equal to estimated time lost? BTW in the incident between myself and Hortus at Monza (used as example) total time lost was ~6 seconds (easily measurable in this case as the incident occurred in the last turn and the time difference at finish line was 5.8 or 5.7 sec IIRC). Penalty to me was 10 seconds under current rules. What would it be in the new system?
Just trying to understand the rationale behind the proposed change. Not complaining about my penalty.
I hear you Ultrap.
We discussed this a couple of days ago, and I agree with you after giving it some thought.
I remember when we set up the current set of rules, and my thoughts was that an incident should not be judged by how the offended driver act/behave/shoose to do. It will only cause discussion.
Agressive driving will render a Warning as a minimum. If the aggressive driving also causes an off track situation, the penalty can turn in to added time instead of a warning. Same goes if a driver commits multiple smaller violations that not neccesarely ends up in pushing another car off track.
We also have this rule to go by:
"Illegal blocking/forcing cars off track (minimum 10 second penalty)"
If you force a car off track, and no dmage is caused, the minimum penalty is 10 sec as stated.
In your case, you did wait up far a few seconds, but did not give the spot back because HortusIX was pretty stuck in the sand. The fact that you did slow down and because of that lost 5-6 seconds, the minimum penalty was the most appropiate choice.
When looking at the penalty system, I think we got everything covered. Every time I recieve a question of "why did I get X penalty, and he got Y penalty?", in 100% of the cases, I've just pointed at the rule in the OP and then, everybody understands.
Sure, we can have discussions if all penalty levels are good / fair. But we always look in that table when judging incidents. It's the same for all. The best is ofc to stay clean. 💡 👍
that i would like to keep. but that was then and this is now 
