Gun attack on Mosque in Canada.

[Dennisch]

Lacking that, though, I don't see any problem. You would have preferred, what exactly? A continuous flow of screaming headlines that treat everything as true by default, only to be replaced with conflicting information two minutes later?

The case of the priest that had his head cut off in France became breaking news here. Stayed there for most of the day.

As soon as there were reports of Muslim on Muslim violence in this case, it disappeared faster than snow in the summer desert.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Well, that didn't take long:
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/ju...sonnette-solitaire-intimide-et-pro-le-pen.php

A local boy shot up a mosque? Better paint him as the victim.

 

[xyloscissor]

The case of the priest that had his head cut off in France became breaking news here. Stayed there for most of the day.

As soon as there were reports of Muslim on Muslim violence in this case, it disappeared faster than snow in the summer desert.

Exactly. 👍

 

[McLaren]

Lacking that, though, I don't see any problem. You would have preferred, what exactly? A continuous flow of screaming headlines that treat everything as true by default, only to be replaced with conflicting information two minutes later?

I gave an example of what Dennisch was referring to. When they presumed the shooters were Muslim, it became a non-story. When a white guy was presumed as the shooter, it became headline news again. Neither the assumed Muslim or white guy was ever confirmed in that short time frame, the one thing you assumed I would have preferred.

There's your answer. Hunt for a debate elsewhere.

 

[xyloscissor]

It is very clear that the media world wide has agendas, it's not fair to point that out though, especially when wanting facts that concrete your opinion are available.

Or something like that, who want's the truth when the games are so much more fun

 

[Joel]

I think you guys are reading way too much into this stuff. Shooting happened at 8PM local time, so 2AM CET. New info came out this afternoon around 1PM or 7PM CET revealing there was only one suspect. Not really shocking that an overnight shooting was the top story then picked up again when at evening prime time the basic understanding of "2 suspects" became "1 suspect and 1 witness".

As soon as there were reports of Muslim on Muslim violence in this case, it disappeared faster than snow in the summer desert.

What's the angle then? Wouldn't the same media also try to cover up a priest being beheaded by Islamists?

 

[xyloscissor]

I think you guys are reading way too much in to it. Shooting happened at 8PM local time, so 2AM CET. New info came out this afternoon around 1PM or 7PM CET revealing there was only one suspect. Not really shocking that media picked up the story again when the basic facts of the story changed from "2 suspects in shooting" to "1 suspect and 1 witness" 16 hours later.


What's the angle then? Wouldn't the same media try to cover up a priest being beheaded by Islamists?

I think the reasoning is some of us think the media is full of crap, the spin machine is large and swift so pointing it out before time has passed is not without reason.

I wish I could trust them, but I don't.

 

[huskeR32]

When they presumed the shooters were Muslim, it became a non-story.

My point is, though, that they didn't "presume" that the shooter was Muslim at any point. And rightly so, as there wasn't any solid evidence to do so.

When a white guy was presumed as the shooter, it became headline news again.

And this was more than a presumption, the guy was in custody. This was a much more reasonable thing to report on than vague rumors of somebody (maybe) shouting "Allahu Akbar" in the vicinity of the shooting.

Neither the assumed Muslim or white guy was ever confirmed in that short time frame

What time did these articles get posted? And what time was the identity of the shooter confirmed?

There's your answer. Hunt for a debate elsewhere.

I'm not hunting for a debate, I'm trying to get more factual information out in the open rather than just blindly accepting your claims that there's some huge media conspiracy at play here.

 

[Scaff]

Meanwhile the stories presence on Breitbart is........



.....Very low, with mentions of how some media outlets we're posting fake news about and how more relaxed gun laws could have prevented it. On the actual story of who was arrested I got bored scrolling down through the very depths of the filler without finding it.

This works both ways and those complaining about media bias would do well to examine it on both sides, rather than painting it as a one-sided issue.

I still remember Brietbarts non-coverage and ******** over the Jo Cox murder. The UK edition went out of its way to try and paint it as anything but a killing by a neo Nazi.

 

[Dennisch]

What's the angle then? Wouldn't the same media also try to cover up a priest being beheaded by Islamists?

I see it more as a lack of interest for Muslim on Muslim violence. Apparently that isn't breaking news worthy, at least not over here. And that I find odd.

 

[xyloscissor]

I see it more as a lack of interest for Muslim on Muslim violence. Apparently that isn't breaking news worthy, at least not over here. And that I find odd.

It's not odd, it's garbage. Speaking of alternate facts lol.

 

[JKgo]

...Frosty.

It looks like Alexandre The Cow is being charged with six counts of first degree murder. A single perp, then.

 

[xyloscissor]

...Frosty.

It looks like Alexandre The Cow is being charged with six counts of first degree murder. A single perp, then.

At this point I'm going to go ahead and trust you guys over any google I could come up with. Is the official report one of a French-Canadian white supreme sort of guy?

 

[JKgo]

Is the official report one of a French-Canadian white supreme sort of guy?

...Not quite sure what you are saying here, so as to not create any misunderstandings, could you be a dear and clarify this bit?

If you're asking where I heard the news, I got it off BBC.

If not.... well, I really am not an expert on knowing whether Mister The Cow holds extremist views on racial relations or not.

 

[xyloscissor]

...Not quite sure what you are saying here, so as to not create any misunderstandings, could you be a dear and clarify this bit?

If you're asking where I heard the news, I got it off BBC.

If not.... well, I really am not an expert on knowing whether Mister The Cow holds extremist views on racial relations or not.

I was not implying anything in particular, bbc is fine. Maybe my question should be more direct, do we know the motive?

 

[JKgo]

do we know the motive?

...Not yet. As tempting as it is to jump to conclusions, I shall refrain for now.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Mister The Cow

I thought it derived from "Bush".

911 conspiracy confirmed.

 

[xyloscissor]

...Not yet. As tempting as it is to jump to conclusions, I shall refrain for now.

👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

I still remember Brietbarts non-coverage and ******** over the Jo Cox murder. The UK edition went out of its way to try and paint it as anything but a killing by a neo Nazi.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/uk-probes-neo-nazi-ties-mental-health-in-jo-cox-slaying/.

Evidence emerged Friday that the reclusive gardener suspected of slaying a popular Labour Party lawmaker had decades-old ties to a neo-Nazi movement and an interest in anarchist weapons literature.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a U.S.-based civil rights group that monitors hate groups, said Mair had been a supporter of the National Alliance, “the most dangerous and violent neo-Nazi group in the United States for decades.”

On its website, the center published copies of receipts from 1999 to 2003 showing that Mair ordered survivalist weapons guides and other extremist materials from the National Alliance. Among the publications were “Chemistry of Powder and Explosives” and “Improvised Munitions Handbook.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/23/thomas-mair-guilty-murdering-mp-jo-cox/

Sentencing Mair, the judge Mr Justice Wilkie said: “By your actions you have betrayed the quintessence of our country, its reliance on Parliamentary democracy.

“There is no doubt that this murder was done to advance the cause of violent white nationalism.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...xit-campaigners-kinda-sorta-killed-jo-cox-mp/

Mair has now been tried and sentenced to life imprisonment. We don’t know precisely what his motives were because he refused to speak – or even enter a plea – during the trial. What we do know is that he was a loner with OCD; he kept an extensive collection of Nazi literature in a shrine bookcase; he subscribed to neo-Nazi magazines and ordered books from the National Alliance, the US neo-Nazi group that inspired Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh; he kept extensive cuttings on Norwegian far-right mass murderer Anders Breivik; he compiled a dossier on Jo Cox, to whose pro-EU leanings he clearly objected; also we know that according to several reports at the time of the death – subsequently disputed – he is said to have shouted as he stabbed and shot Jo Cox “Britain First, this is for Britain.”

If this is going out of their way to avoid painting him as a Nazi sympathizer, I'm curious to see what it looks like when they really go after someone.

 

[Scaff]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/uk-probes-neo-nazi-ties-mental-health-in-jo-cox-slaying/.



http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/23/thomas-mair-guilty-murdering-mp-jo-cox/


http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...xit-campaigners-kinda-sorta-killed-jo-cox-mp/

If this is going out of their way to avoid painting him as a Nazi sympathizer, I'm curious to see what it looks like when they really go after someone.

I'm referring to before the trial.

However I do note how selective you have been with your quotes from those and the lack of context.

The first one focuses as much on mental health as it does on his ties to the far right and neo Nazis.

The second from the trial mentions it once in the entire piece and utterly ignores the vast amount of literature that was found, the ties to the far right and white nationalist movements around the world, etc. You quite literally have to read to the very end of the piece and pick up one sentence to even find it.

The third seems to claim that the far right attacks only occur every four or so years and uses it to launch an attack on a perfectly valid point, that the tone of the lead up to the referendum could have been a contributing factor in this (as demonstrated in court by the words he used during the attack - words Brietbarts reporters tried to disprove were ever spoken in the days after the attack took place).

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm referring to before the trial.

Before, during and after is covered in the three links provided.

 

[Scaff]

Before, during and after is covered in the three links provided.

Not the sum total of the coverage and I have already posted my view of those.

If you actually think the coverage of the trial is an unbiased view of what was presented as evidence you are very much mistaken. One line about the core ideology that drove him and no mention of the related evidence at all.

I mean it's not like the would mislead, exaggerate or simply make stuff up is it.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.br...dortmund-mob-attack-police-church-alight/amp/

Oh wait, yes they would.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.dw...ing-breitbart-new-years-eve-report/a-37042470

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.in...rkel-syrians-refugee-crisis-a7514786.html?amp

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....reitbart-reports-of-violence-on-new-years/amp

 

[Johnnypenso]

Not the sum total of the coverage and I have already posted my view of those.

If you actually think the coverage of the trial is an unbiased view of what was presented as evidence you are very much mistaken. One line about the core ideology that drove him and no mention of the related evidence at all.

I mean it's not like the would mislead, exaggerate or simply make stuff up is it.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.br...dortmund-mob-attack-police-church-alight/amp/

Oh wait, yes they would.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.dw...ing-breitbart-new-years-eve-report/a-37042470

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/breitbart-news-dortmund-police-new-years-eve-fake-news-germany-angela-merkel-syrians-refugee-crisis-a7514786.html?amp

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....reitbart-reports-of-violence-on-new-years/amp

Move the goalposts much? If they went out of their way to avoid making the perp out to be a Nazi sympathizer I figured I'd google it and have a hard time finding any reference to him being a Nazi sympathizer at Breitart UK. First page had at least three and I just grabbed the first 3 that said Nazi in them. Wasn't hard to find so I guess they weren't trying very hard to avoid it after all.

 

[andrea]

Well, that didn't take long:
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/ju...sonnette-solitaire-intimide-et-pro-le-pen.php

A local boy shot up a mosque? Better paint him as the victim.

Shocking that the terrorist is a white nationalist.

 

[Scaff]

Move the goalposts much? If they went out of their way to avoid making the perp out to be a Nazi sympathizer I figured I'd google it and have a hard time finding any reference to him being a Nazi sympathizer at Breitart UK. First page had at least three and I just grabbed the first 3 that said Nazi in them. Wasn't hard to find so I guess they weren't trying very hard to avoid it after all.

Not at all, unless you want to ignore context and the actual facts available at the time. All of which I have already covered and provided another piece to provide a further example.

However we can also look at this event to see it in play. The story has dropped off the main page of Breitbart, they have not published news of the fact that only one of the two has now been charged and that we know who was the suspected attacker and who was the witness (would that be the case if the two people were the other way around) and the coverage they do have focuses heavily on the ethnic background of one of the two.

The UK site does have some of these stories on the front page (I guess it's not important in North America is the view they take), but still has nothing to clarify that a suspect has been arrested and charged and the other correctly identified as a witness and not a suspect. Why do you think that is? After all this is exactly what you are complaining that the 'mainstream media's does, ignore and/or bury stories that don't fit an ideology they wish to support. Well it's happening right here and now on Breitbart, so either you have an issue with this bias as a whole, or only when it suits your narrative.

Feel free to believe that they do no wrong (I certainly don't hold that opinion of any media), but in this and other cases you have to want an echo chamber for that to be the case.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Not at all, unless you want to ignore context and the actual facts available at the time. All of which I have already covered and provided another piece to provide a further example.

However we can also look at this event to see it in play. The story has dropped off the main page of Breitbart, they have not published news of the fact that only one of the two has now been charged and that we know who was the suspected attacker and who was the witness (would that be the case if the two people were the other way around) and the coverage they do have focuses heavily on the ethnic background of one of the two.

The UK site does have some of these stories on the front page (I guess it's not important in North America is the view they take), but still has nothing to clarify that a suspect has been arrested and charged and the other correctly identified as a witness and not a suspect. Why do you think that is? After all this is exactly what you are complaining that the 'mainstream media's does, ignore and/or bury stories that don't fit an ideology they wish to support. Well it's happening right here and now on Breitbart, so either you have an issue with this bias as a whole, or only when it suits your narrative.

Feel free to believe that they do no wrong (I certainly don't hold that opinion of any media), but in this and other cases you have to want an echo chamber for that to be the case.

Feel free to believe they do no wrong? Move the goalposts and then ad homenim attacks. Your original coverup theory on the Joe Cox attack is what I was questioning, not Breitbart as a whole. Goalposts must be much lighter over there because you've moved them from England all the way to Quebec

 

[Scaff]

Feel free to believe they do no wrong? Move the goalposts and then ad homenim attacks. Your original coverup theory on the Joe Cox attack is what I was questioning, not Breitbart as a whole. Goalposts must be much lighter over there because you've moved them from England all the way to Quebec

Given that my original post was in regard to the attack in Quebec and Breitbarts failure to cover it once it because clear who the sole suspect was no I haven't, and 'feel free to believe they can do no wrong' is not ad homenim attack of any kind! Its a statement of fact, you are free to believe what you want.

I do note however that you have not actually addressed any of the points I have made about either the three Breitbart links you provided, nor more importantly addressed the fact that Breitbart (on either the US or UK site) have still not provided an update on the arrest and charging of a suspect in the attack (six hours later - past midday in the UK and after numerous other stories have appeared on the sites and over 12 hours since he was charged).

So I will ask you again:

Why do you think that is? After all this is exactly what you are complaining that the 'mainstream media's does, ignore and/or bury stories that don't fit an ideology they wish to support. Well it's happening right here and now on Breitbart, so either you have an issue with this bias as a whole, or only when it suits your narrative.

Lets see what they say about his appearance in court which has just occurred.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Given that my original post was in regard to the attack in Quebec and Breitbarts failure to cover it once it because clear who the sole suspect was no I haven't, and 'feel free to believe they can do no wrong' is not ad homenim attack of any kind! Its a statement of fact, you are free to believe what you want.

I do note however that you have not actually addressed any of the points I have made about either the three Breitbart links you provided, nor more importantly addressed the fact that Breitbart (on either the US or UK site) have still not provided an update on the arrest and charging of a suspect in the attack (six hours later - past midday in the UK and after numerous other stories have appeared on the sites and over 12 hours since he was charged).

So I will ask you again:

Why do you think that is? After all this is exactly what you are complaining that the 'mainstream media's does, ignore and/or bury stories that don't fit an ideology they wish to support. Well it's happening right here and now on Breitbart, so either you have an issue with this bias as a whole, or only when it suits your narrative.

Lets see what they say about his appearance in court which has just occurred.

Blah blah blah. None of this changes the fact that Breitbart U.K. didn't cover up the Joe Cox attackers Nazi ties as you suggested and all the goalpost moving and subtle ad homenims in the world won't change that.

 

[Scaff]

Blah blah blah. None of this changes the fact that Breitbart U.K. didn't cover up the Joe Cox attackers Nazi ties as you suggested and all the goalpost moving and subtle ad homenims in the world won't change that.

I said they minimised it (and have explained my view on the three link you provided) and as I said you are free to feel they did no wrong in that case. I disagree.

Now how about the coverage on this situation, as that was my original point in regard to Breitbart, something I have asked you repeatedly and you have ignored.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I like that someone can repeatedly refer to other news outlets as biased but defend a site like Breitbart without a hint of irony.