Guns
- Thread starter Talentless
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. so when are they going to adopt a plastic sidearm
ok heres my opinion,if you lay a loaded 45 on a table what are the chances of the gun killing anybody all by itself,?????????????easy impossable,its people are evil,if we didnt have guns then it would be knives,if not knives bats,the human race is evil banning anything isnt going to change that so the correct thing to do is be sure the good guy has the same tools the bad gus do,i was tought about guns very eaarly so i know they werent toys,maybe they should teach it in schools then there wont be accidental shootings.
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- VIPERGTS01
i shoot handgun comps fairly regulary at a club, and in the 30 odd years its been going there has been NO injurys what so ever (exept small things like slide or hammer catching skin). guns are as safe as people allow them to be same goes with cars or anything
- 10,081
- WFG9
I feel so sorry for those of you living in places with with high anti gun sentiments. Be strong.
- 19,311
- Inland Empire SoCal
- SOLID_LIFTERS
Thanks, I will. I've been studying lately for the California Handgun Safety Certificate Test because I'm in the market for a Smith & Wesson Trail Boss. I own "several" handguns already, but I still have to take this stupid test inorder to buy a new handgun. They ask such stupid, basic questions, but you still have to study for it. It has a lot of law questions that can get real confusing. Damn Democrats. At least once I get it, it lasts for five years.
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- Australia
- VIPERGTS01
really, ive never shot a DE, i thought the 6 inch barrel would be plenty accurate. does the extra 4 inches help tame recoil much also especially with 50AE's? good thing you can replace barrel easy enough on them, 6inch for looks 10inch for performance
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A 10 inch barrel Eagle would actually have more recoil than a 6 inch barrel Eagle, because a longer barrel means there's going to be more power behind the bullet, creating more recoil.
And they don't actually have much recoil at all. As long as you're not a total shrimp, you can fire them with one hand without problem. They're heavy as hell, and they're compensated.
And they don't actually have much recoil at all. As long as you're not a total shrimp, you can fire them with one hand without problem. They're heavy as hell, and they're compensated.
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- old-guy64
Talentless, is that knife above a Sykes-Fairbairn knock-off?
I personally, don't believe a knife is much of a defensive weapon.
Hell of an offensive weapon though, if you have the stomach to use it. However:
You have to get into arm's reach to use it.
Most places frown on carrying a blade that's more than 4 inches long.
And did I mention that you have to get in arm's reach to use it?
By the same token, if you are accosted by a man with a knife, he should be shot (double-tapped) if he is inside of 20 feet.
If you do the math, a motivated person can cover 100 yards in about 10-12 seconds.
So, 10 yards can be covered in 1-second.
20 feet (about 7 yards can be covered in about half that).
Some will laugh, but I'm beginning to believe that one of the better weapons for self defense is a 3-inch .38 spl. Loaded with 200-grain Semi-wadcutters.
It's controllable, even your girlfriend can get off an accurate second shot.
And while that bullet ain't moving really fast (800 fps or so) it's gonna start tumbling when it hits it's target, tearing a devastating wound channel.
Also, the bullet will stay inside the assailant, and not exit and harm someone down the street.
Yea, you might have to double tap him, but you were gonna do that anyway. (Being as a "one-shot stop" is virtually gauranteed if you hit him twice.)
I personally, don't believe a knife is much of a defensive weapon.
Hell of an offensive weapon though, if you have the stomach to use it. However:
You have to get into arm's reach to use it.
Most places frown on carrying a blade that's more than 4 inches long.
And did I mention that you have to get in arm's reach to use it?
By the same token, if you are accosted by a man with a knife, he should be shot (double-tapped) if he is inside of 20 feet.
If you do the math, a motivated person can cover 100 yards in about 10-12 seconds.
So, 10 yards can be covered in 1-second.
20 feet (about 7 yards can be covered in about half that).
Some will laugh, but I'm beginning to believe that one of the better weapons for self defense is a 3-inch .38 spl. Loaded with 200-grain Semi-wadcutters.
It's controllable, even your girlfriend can get off an accurate second shot.
And while that bullet ain't moving really fast (800 fps or so) it's gonna start tumbling when it hits it's target, tearing a devastating wound channel.
Also, the bullet will stay inside the assailant, and not exit and harm someone down the street.
Yea, you might have to double tap him, but you were gonna do that anyway. (Being as a "one-shot stop" is virtually gauranteed if you hit him twice.)
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- WFG9
I have no idea, Gil.
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- WFG9
I did an image search for it.
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- old-guy64
I just "Googled" up a Sykes-Fairbairn, and that ain't it. The Sykes-Fiarbairn is much meaner looking.
But I know I've seen that knife above and a reference to Fairbairn. It even looks like his signature on the flat of the blade.
*edit: Probably because that's the Applegate-Fairbairn commando knife.*
Found a pic and more info.
But I know I've seen that knife above and a reference to Fairbairn. It even looks like his signature on the flat of the blade.
*edit: Probably because that's the Applegate-Fairbairn commando knife.*
Found a pic and more info.
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- Inland Empire SoCal
- SOLID_LIFTERS
Originally posted by Gil
Gee, thanks.(Jk)
Solid Lifters? How 'bout you?
It looks like the more modern fairbairn design.
The original is more "pointy" sorta like a mini "Arkansas Toothpick". (which makes a Bowie look downright wimpy).
There are so many knife makers out there, I can't even guess what that knife is. It looks like a regular flat bladed mini daggar made by anybody.
The Skeyes-Fairbairn was a British Military issued WWII daggar made in Sheffield England. You can buy them in a lot of those "military surrplus" stores on the net. Do a search for that, and I'm sure you find them for about 60 to 70 bucks.
I'll stick with my Kabars. Oh, the Isralie commando knives are pretty nice, too.
The .38 special has a 93% stopping rate with one shot fired. The .357 has a 97% percent stopping rate with one shot fired. The closer you get to the energy, and penetration of a .357, the better. I like to shoot with a higher grain weight usually, but 200GR for a .38 special? Wow. I didn't know they made them that heavy. The best .38 special self defense load is a 148GR hollow base was cutter (HBWC) bullet that has been turned around when seated.
I carry a S&W 696 with two frangible cartridges first, and three handloaded cartridges that have a Hornady 240GR XTP bullet, with 6.7 grains of Unique. This gives me around 900FPS, which is about 400FT.LBS of energy.
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You don't really want a bullet to tumble though. I know it makes a devastating entrance wound, but it wont penetrate for beans, and it isn't very accurate. But, I guess this doesn't matter much if you're shooting from 20 feet away...
Who makes the 200GR bullet?
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- Australia
- VIPERGTS01
some local (australia) manufactuers produce 195gr (lead suited for gas check) and 200gr projectiles for .357 , the company i get my 195gr's is Ten ring projectiles
at www.tenring.com.au
at www.tenring.com.au
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Acually, I bet he used a rifle bullet. I should have thought of that before. Rifle calibers like the 35 Whelen, 35 Remington, 350 Remington, 358 Winchester and the 358 Norma Magnum all shoot the same size bullet as the .38 special and the .357 magnum. They have 200gr, and 250gr bullets available for these rifle calibers which can be used in the .38 special/.357 magnum.
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- old-guy64
Actually the data is from an old Guns & Ammo yearly special from the early '90's (Remember the 10 Copier Paper boxes of magazines I mentioned in another thread?) I believe the bullet was a Federal or Winchester.
I've always been a revolver kind of guy. I know that autos are just as good now. But I remember when it was big issue to send a "working" auto out to a gunsmith to have it smoothed up so it would function all the time. Revolvers usually didn't/don't have that issue.
I've had to give up the idea of having a gun around. My wife despises them, and I have way too many kids in the house.
But, the reasoning behind a low-penetration bullet is sound.
If you should miss the home invader, you don't want that stray going thru any walls and injuring your kids, pets or neighbors in the next house. A .357 JHP will do exactly that.
Most shootings that take place, do so within 7 yards. In fact most shootings take place in "conversational" distances.
Do you really need the penetration of a .357 at 5 or 6 feet?
Are you gonna chase down a home invader after you've "convinced" him to flee your home?
You get into some sticky legal areas if you are "forced" to shoot someone once they are outside of your home. (It ain't self-defense when you shoot them in the back)
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Yea, I know that a high-powered, deep penetrating round is not ideal for home defense ammo, so that is why I load my firearms with Mag Safes. They're a frangible cartridge that wont penetrate very deeply. If you miss your target and hit a wall, they completely shatter, and wont do much damage if they hit somebody after that. But, if the hit your target intruder, they would do some very serious damage.
Basically, they're a very thin-walled hollow copperjacketed bullet filled with tiny steel shot pellets that are held in place with epoxy resin. Some, like the ones made by C&R Ammo, or Glaser, are solid bullets that are made from tiny metal falkes and "dust" that have been glued together to make them a solid bullet. Once these fired bullets hit a target or other object, they shatter appart.
Basically, they're a very thin-walled hollow copperjacketed bullet filled with tiny steel shot pellets that are held in place with epoxy resin. Some, like the ones made by C&R Ammo, or Glaser, are solid bullets that are made from tiny metal falkes and "dust" that have been glued together to make them a solid bullet. Once these fired bullets hit a target or other object, they shatter appart.
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For a first time shooter, I would get PMC 115gr FMJ. They are very inexpensive, good quality, light powered and will still function in a firearm properly. Other decent ammo is American Eagle (Federal), UMC (Remington), USA (Winchester), CCI Blazer (not reloadable), and a few others I can't recall. Buy a lower grain weight bullet, because they don't kick as much, and stay away from +P rated ammo. 9mm will range from 115gr FMJ, to 147gr bullets, typically. Stay away from HP (hollow Points) buttlets, because they cost a lot more money, and reloaded ammunition, for now. Save your brass casings. You might want to start the hobbie of ammo reloading. It's enjoyable, cost effective and a great way of assembling custom made ammo for your firearm.
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Yep. Very good! Here is some more, in 9mm, to help you out.
J - Jacketed (Copper)
SJ - Semi-Jacketed
CP - Copper Plated (Crap)
L - Lead
HP - Hollow Point
The first four above are usually mixed with other letters below.
TC - Truncated Cone
RN - Round Nose
FP - Flat Point
GC - Gas Checked
SP, ST - Soft Point, Soft Tip
SWC - Semi Wadd Cutter (Best for paper target shooting.)
Some other calibers have the following.
HBWC - Hollow Base Wadd Cutter
STHP - Soft Tip Hollow Point
BTHP - Boat Tail Hollow Point
There is a lot more, but I'm sure you can figure out the rest. They can be mixed together, like GCSWC, LRN, SJHP or SWCHP, and BTJHP.
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