Guns

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Which position on firearms is closest to your own?

  • I support complete illegality of civilian ownership

    Votes: 120 15.5%

  • I support strict control.

    Votes: 244 31.5%

  • I support moderate control.

    Votes: 164 21.2%

  • I support loose control.

    Votes: 81 10.5%

  • I oppose control.

    Votes: 139 17.9%

  • I am undecided.

    Votes: 27 3.5%
  • Total voters
    775
ryzno
I'd say few. Anyone can walk around with a semi if the have the states accepted license/permit.
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It depends on the state.

Here in Wisconsin, for example, you do not need a permit for open carry. You only need a permit for concealed carry and it does not allow long guns. It is legal to open carry long guns here in Wisconsin, but it hasn't really ever been an issue other than in some metropolitan areas.

Why would you want to carry a long gun for defense anyway? I could see if you were on your land or something; but the people who carry them to Walmart just make me ask why.
 
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I live in a small town, St. Louis is an hour away, but it's pretty much country here. Everyone owns guns, a lot of hunters and enthusiasts. Nobody shoots anyone around here, and it's very rare when anyone's house gets broken into. Irresponsible people, people with mental issues, or just straight criminals who use guns are the problem.

Anyone talking about banning guns, or getting rid of them all together, is really just wasting words or text. It's never going to happen. Even if they somehow did, everyone with a Gun would have to almost be grandfathered in. There's no way they can door to door and force people to hand over there guns. No matter what your beliefs or on it, there's no use even really debating it, they are pretty much here to stay. Assault rifles, certain types of weapons, yes maybe I could see that changing.

Local news around here, it shootings in St Louis every night. And Chicago, they are supposed to have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, there were 60 shootings in Chicago over the Fourth of July weekend.

I'm not a gun nut or a hunter, I've shot a lot of guns though. I just have a .22LR and a singleshot .410 for varmit control here on our 14 acres. My uncle next door, he's a huge Hunter and has all kinds of guns, .357 hand gun, deer rifles, shotguns etc.

It's just weird, the percentage of people who own guns is huge, and there's almost no crime. Probably because they don't own the guns to start trouble, but to prevent it.
 
prousonhairy
I live in a small town, St. Louis is an hour away, but it's pretty much country here. Everyone owns guns, a lot of hunters and enthusiasts. Nobody shoots anyone around here, and it's very rare when anyone's house gets broken into. Irresponsible people, people with mental issues, or just straight criminals who use guns are the problem.

Anyone talking about banning guns, or getting rid of them all together, is really just wasting words or text. It's never going to happen. Even if they somehow did, everyone with a Gun would have to almost be grandfathered in. There's no way they can door to door and force people to hand over there guns. No matter what your beliefs or on it, there's no use even really debating it, they are pretty much here to stay. Assault rifles, certain types of weapons, yes maybe I could see that changing.

Local news around here, it shootings in St Louis every night. And Chicago, they are supposed to have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, there were 60 shootings in Chicago over the Fourth of July weekend.

I'm not a gun nut or a hunter, I've shot a lot of guns though. I just have a .22LR and a singleshot .410 for varmit control here on our 14 acres. My uncle next door, he's a huge Hunter and has all kinds of guns, .357 hand gun, deer rifles, shotguns etc.

It's just weird, the percentage of people who own guns is huge, and there's almost no crime. Probably because they don't own the guns to start trouble, but to prevent it.
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Sort of like certain European countries who own guns but don't have large issues of violent crime.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
What?
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I sure don't. And nobody I know in my own country understands how gun ownership by everyone is such a sensitive thing in the USA.

I guess it's a cultural thing, and being of that nature, there's no real point in arguing about it. As long as americans constitucional rights don't apply outside of their gun-infested country (or putting it in another way, as long as any american carrying a gun in my country gets detained and loses his/her gun immediately), I have no problems with their culture being what it is a few thousand miles away from me.
 
Hun200kmh
I sure don't. And nobody I know in my own country understands how gun ownership by everyone is such a sensitive thing in the USA.

I guess it's a cultural thing, and being of that nature, there's no real point in arguing about it. As long as americans constitucional rights don't apply outside of their gun-infested country (or putting it in another way, as long as any american carrying a gun in my country gets detained and loses his/her gun immediately), I have no problems with their culture being what it is a few thousand miles away from me.
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That's cause your European country isn't known for allowing much if any ownership of weapons so...

There are plenty that do and they get on just fine. Once again you've stated with what can only be described as disgust for a nation with a respect for gun ownership that some people (criminals) don't share, which isn't surprising.
 
I do not want to sound insensitive but I told you that a vehicle can be used just as effectively as a gun in a terror attack, maybe even more effectively in certain situations. 85 people have been killed in a matter of seconds during an attack with a truck in Nice.

RIP the victims of this cowardly and completely senseless attack. :(
 
Michael88
I do not want to sound insensitive but I told you that a vehicle can be used just as effectively as a gun in a terror attack, maybe even more effectively in certain situations. 85 people have been killed in a matter of seconds during an attack with a truck in Nice.
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I gave a similar example, it's sad to see it in practice.
 
Do you think if all guns were banned from public use less shootings would happen.
If only the police and forces were allowed them would it make a difference to some looney trying get hold of one and shooting someone? I don't think so.
I am anti-gun apart from shooting at a range at paper targets which I would find biblically boring I can't see the point in owning one there not a necessity. There is the hunting path killing innocent animals in the wild when there doing nothing but living is a barbaric act and anyone who participates in it is as bad as a murderer to me.
I do think the nutter behind the trigger is responsible for shooting someone but if a loon couldn't get access to a gun I am sure a machete is just as dangerous so I believe it comes down to a matter of choice to own one or not and each individuals responsibility how to act if they do own one.
I know if guns were legalised in Britain tomorrow I would be in no rush to buy one as I am to buy a jar of marmite (filthy dirty vile stuff should be banned from consumption only good for greasing train cogs). And I don't own a train.

I have heard the argument there are more shootings in US than UK because they can get guns easier.
I don't buy it there is a tad few more people in the US than here so just on the volume of people alone it is going to be more likely you could be shot in the US but no offence US brothers but there seems to be a lot more loons in America who will carry out gun attacks than here in the UK.
I also think if a gun isn't available a loony will arm themselves with what ever causes the most damage like the cretin in the truck and as Hun200kmh said large vehicles hits large numbers of people.
 
justin credible
There is the hunting path killing innocent animals in the wild when there doing nothing but living is a barbaric act and anyone who participates in it is as bad as a murderer to me.
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As a person that doesn't eat meat, I view pure forms of hunting and fishing as much more ethical than how the vast majority of meat is produced. By "pure" I mean for food (with the addition of skins and such, if applicable), and with no more trauma for the animal than is a given. Wild animals exist naturally, live their life, and will eventually die. Ending their life earlier than would be natural could be a sad but not entirely devastating fate, or it could be a death kinder than what nature would have dealt them. Either option is aeons from the reality of billions upon billions of animals existing for the sole purpose of being killed, after having the most economically viable life forced on them.

Now, you may well be talking about so called sport hunting/fishing. That is where I suddenly turn into a rage-filled lunatic.
 
As LeMans aid already said, eating an animal you just shot in the woods is about 500% more ethical than eating a burger.

I live in a rural area and many neighbors are farmers breeding cattle and I tell you, those animals are treated very poorly. I'd even go so far as to say those are being tortured every single day for many months until they get finally put out of their misery. Compare this to shooting an animal that spent its entire life in the woods living like it was supposed to be, its dead before it even know what hit it.
I do not even want to go into detail how those cows are being slaughtered.

People saying hunting is murder and then going to the mall buying beef are the biggest idiots ever, and surprisingly there are so many of those out there. Those who do not eat meat but eat milk products are hypocrites too, one of my neighbors has milk cows and...I'll spare you the gruesome details. I tell you, its not pretty.

I'm not a hunter myself (Its very hard to be one in Austria) but if I could gather my own meat I'd totally do it and I give big thumbs up to those who do it. People have been doing that since the dawn of mankind, its the most natural and most ethical way to feed your omnivorous body.
 
I guess if people using guns to kill animals for nutriment or crowd control due to protecting the environment, then he must really hate those archaic bows man that go hunting.
 
justin credible
100% yes. As a young child I never liked meat, Sunday roast etc was not for me I loved the veggies.
As I grew older I learned how animals were bred for slaughter to satisfy human greed and decided that was enough for me,
40+ years for me now.
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To satisfy human greed? Is the pretentious bit always the tone you go for in these threads?
 
justin credible
100% yes. As a young child I never liked meat, Sunday roast etc was not for me I loved the veggies.
As I grew older I learned how animals were bred for slaughter to satisfy human greed and decided that was enough for me,
40+ years for me now.
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What about those poor plants that you slaughter? They're alive too, you know?
 
justin credible
Really? Next time I see one try escape from it's captor or scream in agony whilst it dies from a gun shot wound which is affecting it's nervous system I will think twice before I eat it.👍:lol:
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What the hell? Screams in agony while dying from a gun shot? If you have no clue what you're talking about instead of going for hyperbole, just educate yourself prior.
 
Michael88
People saying hunting is murder and then going to the mall buying beef are the biggest idiots ever, and surprisingly there are so many of those out there. Those who do not eat meat but eat milk products are hypocrites too, one of my neighbors has milk cows and...I'll spare you the gruesome details. I tell you, its not pretty.
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I think you're mixing something up here, most people dont care about hunters, if they hunt sensibly for what they can eat and not during reproduction periods. When people hate hunters it's usually those that do that for fun and yes they exist, people just going into the wood, killing whatever they want whenever they want. I dont mind hunters that respect nature, but I do mind idiots that do whatever they want because they are "hunting".

And of course there's the haters but you'll find haters for anything.
 
RX-7_FD3S
I think you're mixing something up here, most people dont care about hunters, if they hunt sensibly for what they can eat and not during reproduction periods. When people hate hunters it's usually those that do that for fun and yes they exist, people just going into the wood, killing whatever they want whenever they want. I dont mind hunters that respect nature, but I do mind idiots that do whatever they want because they are "hunting".
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Yeah every one hates poachers...that's what you just described. There is no place I know of that you can just randomly go into nature and kill animals where gun ownership is allowed.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
What the hell? Screams in agony while dying from a gun shot? If you have no clue what you're talking about instead of going for hyperbole, just educate yourself prior.
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It's called a joke pal. Do I need to explain further? You know you suggesting as plants are living things I should feel the same about a berry being picked as I do about an animal being put to death. I was taking the wee wee out of your post.
Didn't mean to harm your intelligence.
 
justin credible
It's called a joke pal. Do I need to explain further? You know you suggesting as plants are living things I should feel the same about a berry being picked as I do about an animal being put to death. I was taking the wee wee out of your post.
Didn't mean to harm your intelligence.
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I never suggested that plants suffer as living things since their is no research to back that up instead it's the opposite. You're are confusing me with another user, so yeah. And you weren't taking the piss out of my post since I never said what you've claimed, and my intelligence was harmed when you're ignorance to no take a second more to see who you've just responded to wasn't aptly applied.
 

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