Guns

[arora]

I think they reap the rewards of our great country all the while trying to destroy it.

But hey, many of them probably where 'smart' glasses so it's all good

 

[Nicksfix]

Has anyone else caught the Bloomberg -vs- Lapierre news lately ?
Videos and article

How about the gun shop owner (Doug MacKinlay) cancelling his assult rifle sale to Mark Kelly ? LOVE IT ..... way to go Doug 👍
article

Looks like Magpul is living up to it's promise. They are leaving Colorado.
Another love it article.

 

[a6m5]

I'll check those links out later(thank you 👍), but regarding Magpul, I feel for them. I'm sure it wasn't a easy decision to reach, financially. Spyderco should get ready to move out of there before they start banning pocket knives.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

How about the gun shop owner (Doug MacKinlay) cancelling his assult rifle sale to Mark Kelly ? LOVE IT ..... way to go Doug 👍
article.

Yeah it's all over Arizona local news, quite funny and I too am glad that he did that. Also in my area PHX is doing the biggest gun buy back they've ever done...so yeah.

 

[Nicksfix]

The state of Connecticut has rammed one up some peoples rear ends today.

Article

They have ... so far ... put into law, the strictest of anti gun laws so far. Here is a comparison list of 3 states that have implemented gun control measures, Ct. - N.Y. - Co.

AMMUNITION MAGAZINES

Connecticut bans the sale or purchase of ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds. The law allows people to keep high-capacity magazines they already own if they're registered with the state by Jan. 1 but limits their use to the home and a shooting range.

New York restricted ammunition magazines to seven bullets and gave current owners of higher-capacity magazines a year to sell them out of state. Colorado banned ammunition magazines that hold more than 15 rounds.

ASSAULT WEAPONS BANS

Connecticut expanded its assault weapons ban, adding more than 100 firearms and requiring that a weapon have only one of several features in order to be banned.

New York also expanded its assault weapons ban. Colorado did not pass an assault weapons ban.

BACKGROUND CHECKS

Connecticut requires universal criminal background checks for the sale of all guns, a measure that took effect immediately to close a loophole in private sales of rifles and shotguns. Background checks are also required to buy ammunition and magazines.

Colorado expanded background checks to private and online gun sales but did not require them to buy ammunition. New York expanded background checks to private gun sales and became the first state to require background checks to buy bullets.

DANGEROUS WEAPON OFFENDER REGISTRY

Connecticut created what officials called the first statewide dangerous weapon offender registry in the nation. Individuals who have been convicted of any of 40 weapons offenses must register with the state for five years after their release.

MENTAL ILLNESS

People involuntarily committed by court order to a hospital for psychiatric disabilities within five years are not eligible for a gun permit, up from one year under previous Connecticut law.

New York required mental health professionals to tell state authorities if a patient threatens to use a gun illegally.

FIREARMS STORAGE

Connecticut expanded the legal duty to securely store a firearm to cover situations where a resident of the premises poses a risk of personal injury to themselves or others.

New York requires locked storage of guns if you live with someone prohibited from them because of a crime, commitment to a mental institution or court protection order and made the unsafe storage of assault weapons a misdemeanor.

On the other end of the rainbow, we have this town, Nelson Georgia, who has passed their pro-gun ordinance. They are (have) passed into ordinance where the citizens of this community are (somewhat required, however not mandatory) to own a firearm.

The measure requires every head of household to own a gun and ammunition to "provide for the emergency management of the city" and to "provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."

Not that every household must go out and purchase a firearm.

The ordinance exempts convicted felons and those who suffer from certain physical or mental disabilities, as well as anyone who objects to gun ownership. The ordinance also doesn't include any penalty for those who don't comply.

Full article

It will be interesting to see what happens when / if the state of Georgia addresses their measures on the national gun bills that are picking up momentum across the nation from state to state. What can or will they do to this town of Nelson Ga. ?

 

[Slash]

The New York law is set to be overturned any day now. Every county except for like 3 around New York city is against it. More reason to make NYC it's own district.

 

[MiuraSV777]

I think that, even if they were to be banned, they could still easily be smuggled, just as drugs are being smuggled in already.

Also, I think that if there were more people (civilians) armed, shootings and other crime rates would go down drastically, because someone could stop the crimes quicker, and it would intimidate those who attempt to do these crimes.

 

[MisterWhiskers]

It has only been 5 months since the terrifying Newtown, Connecticut tragedy has occurred where 26 people have been shot and killed. Fortunately, Gov. Malloy has recently signed a new gun law. The law now states that the ammo cap is up to 10 rounds. It's a win-win situation. The 2nd amendment is not interfered and less tragedies can be prevented. To top it all off, President Barack Obama came to West Hartford, Connecticut to give a speech. On a personal note, it warmed my heart. I now feel comfortable that the state is doing something to prevent a tragedy where 20 children and 6 adults were murdered.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/04/us/connecticut-gun-law-overhaul/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...sh-connecticut/story?id=18902313#.UWNsSlfJKdA

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Finally. Nobody needs more than ten rounds per magazine, so why allow it if it will make killing easier? I still feel that more should be done to limit guns, but it's a start.

 

[David]

There's a gun thread in the current events/opinions forum for things like this.

 

[MisterWhiskers]

There's a gun thread in the current events/opinions forum for things like this.

Well, I know that but...

 

[Northstar]

Yay! Not focusing the actual problem prevails again!!!

This will stop nothing and the only thing accomplished by it is a false sense of security.

Only when we start focusing on what causes people to do these horrible acts will anything change.

 

[MisterWhiskers]

At least it will prevent a little less. Better than more murdered innocent people, right?

 

[Northstar]

At least it will prevent a little less.

Not really, Lanza had 3 guns on him, none of them legally his.

Better than more murdered innocent people, right?

You only need 1 bullet to kill someone.

 

[GregTheStig]

Only when we start focusing on what causes people to do these horrible acts will anything change.

This.

There's a gun thread in the current events/opinions forum for things like this.

Also this.

 

[TB]

There's a gun thread in the current events/opinions forum for things like this.

Merged.

 

[Joel]

Finally. Nobody needs more than ten rounds per magazine, so why allow it if it will make killing easier? I still feel that more should be done to limit guns, but it's a start.

Nobody needs more than 100 horsepower, so why allow it if it makes car accidents easier?

Nobody needs more than a few kitchen knives, so why allow knife sets with 10 or more?

Nobody needs more than one or two baseball bats, so why allow people to have 5?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Here's the crime stats. Rifles (that's all rifles, not just terrifying "assault rifles") make up less homicides than blunt objects, knives, or the human body (fists, kicks, etc.). The problem is inner city handgun violence, and all this hysteria about assault weapons is a red herring. This will change nothing other than giving a false sense of security.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

It is so frustrating to know that this will have no impact on anyone other than law-abiding gun owners, and that at some point in the future there will no doubt be another shooting in a state with stricter gun control.

But hey, at least the next shooter will be inconvenienced by having to reload more often!

 

[arora]

At least it will prevent a little less.

Yup, it will prevent a little less indeed

Once again, take away guns from the law abiding and only the criminals will have them. This helps how?

We don't live on an island and I'd prefer the ability to protect myself 👍

 

[MiuraSV777]

Nobody needs more than 100 horsepower, so why allow it if it makes car accidents easier?

Nobody needs more than a few kitchen knives, so why allow knife sets with 10 or more?

Nobody needs more than one or two baseball bats, so why allow people to have 5?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Here's the crime stats. Rifles (that's all rifles, not just terrifying "assault rifles") make up less homicides than blunt objects, knives, or the human body (fists, kicks, etc.). The problem is inner city handgun violence, and all this hysteria about assault weapons is a red herring. This will change nothing other than giving a false sense of security.

I agree with you on, well, everything you said 👍
And, another thing to point out in the link, murder rates are going down, which is a (obvious) very good thing!

It is so frustrating to know that this will have no impact on anyone other than law-abiding gun owners, and that at some point in the future there will no doubt be another shooting in a state with stricter gun control.

But hey, at least the next shooter will be inconvenienced by having to reload more often!

Exactly, only the good guys get affected!

Ya, its not like not the shooter will go: "hey, Ill only bring one clip with me!"... No, he would probably be covered with 30 mags in all of his pockets (government= )

 

[Nicksfix]

Fortunately, Gov. Malloy has recently signed a new gun law. The law now states that the ammo cap is up to 10 rounds. I now feel comfortable that the state is doing something to prevent a tragedy where 20 children and 6 adults were murdered.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/04/us/connecticut-gun-law-overhaul/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...sh-connecticut/story?id=18902313#.UWNsSlfJKdA

A little late to the party are we ? April 4th, this was posted.

The state of Connecticut has rammed one up some peoples rear ends today. Article

less tragedies can be prevented

Less tragedies prevented huh ? By taking arms away from law abiding citizens, this will be your answer ? Have you read this thread ? The real problem is ......

I'm not going to tell you, read it for yourself in this thread.

To top it all off, President Barack Obama came to West Hartford, Connecticut to give a speech.

*Twirls finger in the air* Let me guess, he was surrounded by children again. An act to "attempt" to win votes over for gun ban legislation.

I now feel comfortable that the state is doing something to prevent a tragedy where 20 children and 6 adults were murdered.

Oh yeah, doing something ..... punishing law abiding citizens and not addressing the real problem (once again, the answer is in this thread ..... read it) is doing something ......
R I G H T ........ gotcha.

Finally. Nobody needs more than ten rounds per magazine, so why allow it if it will make killing easier? I still feel that more should be done to limit guns, but it's a start.

Limiting guns and ammo will stop criminals ..... SWEET, why didn't I think of that ?

Yay! Not focusing the actual problem prevails again!!!

This will stop nothing and the only thing accomplished by it is a false sense of security.

Only when we start focusing on what causes people to do these horrible acts will anything change.

+100 👍 The stars, they are shining aren't they.

At least it will prevent a little less. Better than more murdered innocent people, right?

Oh yeah, an innocent law abiding citizen shot up Sandy Hook. I better go back and re-read that article. I must have got lost, somewhere down the line.

On the subject of mis-informed ....
This is some funny stuff. Gotta love Diana DeGette .... not.

Senate action on gun bills this week :

Dear NRA Member:

The U.S. Senate is set to act on anti-gun legislation as early as this week. These proposals are the latest attempt by anti-gun Senators to erode our Second Amendment rights by making it illegal for law-abiding gun owners to transfer firearms without the federal government’s approval; and by banning commonly owned semi-automatic rifles and magazines, to name a few. Unfortunately, none of these proposals address the critical issues of fixing our broken mental health system; securing our schools; or prosecuting violent criminals.

However, there is a proposal worthy of gun owners' support. Senators Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Mark Begich (D-AK) have introduced S. 480, the "NICS Reporting Improvement Act of 2013", which will provide accurate definitions of persons who pose serious threats to themselves or others and therefore should be prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms, while protecting the rights of those who should not be included in NICS. Further, this legislation will protect the rights of America's veterans, by no longer allowing their Second Amendment freedoms to be denied based on an administrative finding that a person requires appointment of a representative to mange his financial affairs.

The NRA fully supports Senators Graham and Begich's important legislation.

The time is now. Please contact your U.S. Senators today, let them know you are a NRA member and encourage them to support S. 480 and to oppose all anti-gun legislation.

You can contact your U.S. Senators at 202-224-3121.

- National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action

 

[Zenith]

As somebody who lives in a state with a 10 round magazine ban, what do you think happens to the magazines that are already in the state? What stops people from getting magazines from the next state over? What stops them from making a box with a spring themselves?

 

[a6m5]

As somebody who lives in a state with a 10 round magazine ban, what do you think happens to the magazines that are already in the state? What stops people from getting magazines from the next state over? What stops them from making a box with a spring themselves?

Forget the magazines, so much crime in my area starts with the drugs. Ban drugs, problem solved!

 

[arora]

A failure to address the real social issues insures the ass hat politicians a job.

 

[Joel]

The irony is that calls for federal bans on guns are primarily coming from places where people disobey federal marijuana bans.

 

[arora]

 

[Nicksfix]

A failure to address the real social issues insures the ass hat politicians a job.

Unfortunately, a job that us taxpayers have to pay their salaries. Speaking of asshats, did anyone catch what the head one himself said about AR15's ?

Another good read. Does he really know, or was it a slip of the tongue ?

From the article -

"Now, over the next couple of months, we've got a couple of issues: gun control. I just came from Denver, where the issue of gun violence is something that has haunted families for way too long, and it is possible for us to create common-sense gun safety measures that respect the traditions of gun ownership in this country and hunters and sportsmen, but also make sure that we don't have another 20 children in a classroom gunned down by a semiautomatic weapon – by a fully automatic weapon in that case, sadly."

Full article

 

[hogger129]

Support for this stuff is waning and they know it. That is why he's out on the road trying to make the push. I think the worst we'll see is this "universal background check" stuff and even that probably isn't going to pass. People don't want it. If these "polls" showing support are correct, explain why so many people have joined the NRA and why guns and ammo are basically all sold out...

People don't want this stuff... Pure and simple.

 

[BobK]

It has only been 5 months since the terrifying Newtown, Connecticut tragedy has occurred where 26 people have been shot and killed. Fortunately, Gov. Malloy has recently signed a new gun law. The law now states that the ammo cap is up to 10 rounds. It's a win-win situation. The 2nd amendment is not interfered and less tragedies can be prevented. To top it all off, President Barack Obama came to West Hartford, Connecticut to give a speech. On a personal note, it warmed my heart. I now feel comfortable that the state is doing something to prevent a tragedy where 20 children and 6 adults were murdered.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/04/us/connecticut-gun-law-overhaul/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...sh-connecticut/story?id=18902313#.UWNsSlfJKdA

I challenge you to point to a single provision in Connecticut's new laws that would have prevented the Sandy Hook shootings. One single item.

 

[hogger129]

MisterWhiskers View Post
It has only been 5 months since the terrifying Newtown, Connecticut tragedy has occurred where 26 people have been shot and killed. Fortunately, Gov. Malloy has recently signed a new gun law. The law now states that the ammo cap is up to 10 rounds. It's a win-win situation. The 2nd amendment is not interfered and less tragedies can be prevented. To top it all off, President Barack Obama came to West Hartford, Connecticut to give a speech. On a personal note, it warmed my heart. I now feel comfortable that the state is doing something to prevent a tragedy where 20 children and 6 adults were murdered.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/04/us/con...aul/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presi...3#.UWNsSlfJKdA

The new laws include a ban on the sale of magazines carrying more than 10 rounds and requires registration of existing ones. It also includes an expansion of the existing assault weapons ban, requires background checks on all firearms sales and sets up a registry of weapons offenders.

Quoted from your NY Times article... I would like to know which of these provisions of CT's law are supposed to stop criminals. Connecticut already had an assault weapons ban that became law in October 1993, so obviously a law didn't stop a maniac.

Take Chicago for instance. It is a perfect example of how tough gun laws are not stopping the bad guys, and in fact making their jobs easier. Look north to Wisconsin where we have very lenient gun laws and we don't have anywhere near the violent crime rates of places like Chicago or New York. We just passed concealed carry last January, which empowers people to defend themselves in public, and we haven't seen an increase in violence at all. Of course there was that Seikh Temple incident, but things like that are extremely rare, and it could have been prevented if people there were armed.

How doesn't this law infringe upon the Second Amendment rights of the citizens of CT? I never read anything in the Second Amendment that excepted assault weapons. All I saw was that I can be in a militia, that I have a right to keep and bear arms, and neither is supposed to be infringed upon.

How about creating laws that punish criminals for a change instead of law abiding people suffering for the actions of a few?

I would like to know why when a state like Arizona passes tougher immigration laws than what the Federal government has in place, the Obama administration comes crying "Supremacy Clause," yet when states pass tough gun control laws, nobody mentions the Supremacy Clause (even though the Second Amendment is Federally protected under the Bill of Rights). It's the same song and dance when it comes to voting. Here in Wisconsin, we tried to pass a Voter ID law, and the DOJ sued over it. How come they want to let just anybody vote, yet want to make it extremely difficult to get a gun? Voting can harm people too (just look at the Obama administration).