Heartfelt congratulations to Jammy for winning ITCC 3!

[tbwhhs]

Furi, can you tell me what time this will be in eastern US?

I am lost....

It says 4:30 eastern in 2 places.

Good luck to you guys, I hope this goes better than last season.

 

[polarbear345]

It says 4:30 eastern in 2 places.

Good luck to you guys, I hope this goes better than last season.

No tbw??????????????

Shoot, 4:30 on Fridays and no Tbw? Man, seems like I'm only showing up when I feel like it....

And I know my Honda will be super slow... No torque...

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

can i ask why there is no scirocco even though there are several on op picture

The Scirocco can't be properly balanced against the other cars. It's way too fast.

C'mon Mel..... Fridays???

Yes. I'm going to be going to college during the week, and then working on the weekend. This is one of the only time slots I have available.



eTati, the problem is that you're the *only* Californian interested at this time. Our main interest groups are Europe, Eastern North America, and a bit of Australia. The fact that we were able to find a time that fits all of those timezones was a miracle; however, it comes at the cost of the following regions: Russia, China, Eastern Europe, Western Asia, and Eurasia. They are typically asleep during ITCC races. California, also, because that's during the day.


Sorry, compromises were made to benefit our returning, trusted racers from our main interest areas.

You're welcome to join us, if you can make it to this race, but I'm not sure you can. I wish you good luck.

 

[braunracing88]

I can do Fridays, even though I also have the Friday league of the 90s FIA GT/LM series at 7PM. But with the short races here, it's likely these events won't take very long.
Still not sure on what car to use. Will need to do some testing before I get back to you on that. It's either gonna be the S4, SRT4, Impreza (which specific one?) or Golf VI R. Will also be testing the C30 and Civic Type R.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I can do Fridays, even though I also have the Friday league of the 90s FIA GT/LM series at 7PM. But with the short races here, it's likely these events won't take very long.
Still not sure on what car to use. Will need to do some testing before I get back to you on that. It's either gonna be the S4, SRT4, Impreza (which specific one?) or Golf VI R. Will also be testing the C30 and Civic Type R.

The Impreza rule has been specified; it must be a Premium model.


Also, braun, it's nice to have you back for Season III, but I'm hoping that your time off in Season II will have influenced your driving style; please, no more aggressive driving like what happened in Season II. This goes for everyone the same as you, but I'm mentioning it now because I'm both stepping up the restrictions on poor sportsmanship/racing conduct, but also because you received a penalty or two in Season II.


To reiterate, you're welcome to race with us, but, please, let's get off on the right foot.



And, test lobby open now, for those of you in UK.

 

[braunracing88]

The Impreza rule has been specified; it must be a Premium model.


Also, braun, it's nice to have you back for Season III, but I'm hoping that your time off in Season II will have influenced your driving style; please, no more aggressive driving like what happened in Season II. This goes for everyone the same as you, but I'm mentioning it now because I'm both stepping up the restrictions on poor sportsmanship/racing conduct, but also because you received a penalty or two in Season II.


To reiterate, you're welcome to race with us, but, please, let's get off on the right foot.



And, test lobby open now, for those of you in UK.

Running in series with the Heavy damage setting has helped. But even then, I've still taken a few wallops from other drivers. In the last WEC race at Suzuka, I was actually one of the cleaner drivers in the GTE class, which has had some quite intense, aggressive racing. There's one in about 14 hours if you want to swing by memto89's lounge and watch.
As for the Subaru, I just bought a new 2010 model and will begin the testing process soon.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

👍 I'm glad to hear it, and welcome back. Feel free to pop by my currently open room, for testing.

 

[braunracing88]

👍 I'm glad to hear it, and welcome back. Feel free to pop by my currently open room, for testing.

What's the #?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

what's the #?

1472-6399-9009-5384-4526

 

[braunracing88]

1472-6399-9009-5384-4526

I'm on my way. Hopefully this will help me decide which car to choose.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Current fast lap at Cape Ring South: 1:23.869, run by me, in my Evo X.

braunracing88 is in the room with me.

 

[braunracing88]

I'm testing 7 cars in this session. Will post each one's fastest lap that I set.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

From my own testing:


VW Golf VI R: 1:22.5 way too fast, this will be a problem

Peugeot 207 GTi: 1.22.7 above

BMW 330i: 1.23.2 This one has a full tune on it. It handles perfectly, so I expected that.

Volvo C30: 1.23.7 👍 This is a good pace for the benchmark

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X: 1.23.869 the benchmark, no real tuning setup

Alfa Romeo 147 Twin Spark thingy: 1.24.8 Italy dropped the ball on this one. Car's being removed, it's impossibly slow.

 

[braunracing88]

Got two DC's in the past few minutes. Still have 3 cars to go.

 

[braunracing88]

All 7 cars I considered have been tested and the results are in:

Alfa Romeo 147 GTA: 1:25.830 - Hard to believe, but my dad used to race an Alfa Romeo GTA in the North Suburban Sports Car Club in the Chicago area. This car was the slowest of the lot, even on Racing Hards.

Audi S4: 1:23.774 - Make the center differential rear-biased, and you've got an agile little rocket.

Dodge SRT4: 1:23.241 - Not surprised how this car did, given its performance last season.

Honda Civic Type R: 1:23.??? - Didn't catch what the fractions of seconds were, but this one is on the same slot as the S4 and SRT4.

Subaru Impreza WRX STI 2010: 1:22.860 - Ironically, I forgot to fit aero parts on the car when I set that time. With the aero, it's about the same pace. Also, like the Audi, put the center differential at 20/80, and it's incredibly agile. The fastest of the lot.

Volkswagen Golf VI R: 1:22.990 - Mel said this car was too quick. It was quick for me, but not as quick as I thought it would be. Was only paddle-shift car I tested.

Volvo C-30 R: 1:24.144 - Was no slouch on the straight, but isn't that great at cornering. Winning with this car could be a challenge.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Volkswagen Golf VI R: 1:22.990 - Mel said this car was too quick. It was quick for me, but not as quick as I thought it would be. Was only paddle-shift car I tested.

These are representative of my own findings. Different drivers will like different cars...

Volvo C-30 R: 1:24.144 - Was no slouch on the straight, but isn't that great at cornering. Winning with this car could be a challenge.

Which is why someone who prefers a rear-wheel-drive car (essentially, 20/80 AWD torque distribution tells me so,) would find the Volvo to be extremely slow, because it understeers.

Edit: The Volvo also needs a miracle tune.

__________________________________________________________________________


Evo X update: AYC (Active Yaw Controller) usage has led to a 1.5 second reduction in lap times, taking it from the second slowest car I tested, to actually being the fastest. I really don't know what to say. Should AYC be allowed, for the sake of making it fast enough to compete? Or, is it simply too fast with the AYC? This is a question I leave with you.

For further reading, I've put a link in my signature to a full explanation, in my own words, of what happened, and how to use the AYC.

 

[braunracing88]

These are representative of my own findings. Different drivers will like different cars...



Which is why someone who prefers a rear-wheel-drive car (essentially, 20/80 AWD torque distribution tells me so,) would find the Volvo to be extremely slow, because it understeers.

Edit: The Volvo also needs a miracle tune.

__________________________________________________________________________


Evo X update: AYC (Active Yaw Controller) usage has led to a 1.5 second reduction in lap times, taking it from the second slowest car I tested, to actually being the fastest. I really don't know what to say. Should AYC be allowed, for the sake of making it fast enough to compete? Or, is it simply too fast with the AYC? This is a question I leave with you.

For further reading, I've put a link in my signature to a full explanation, in my own words, of what happened, and how to use the AYC.

What time did the Evo X put in?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

What time did the Evo X put in?

1:22.2, it's the new fastest lap in the lobby.

 

[braunracing88]

1:22.2, it's the new fastest lap in the lobby.

So that puts it at .6 faster than the best I ran in the Impreza and .7 faster than my best lap in the Golf. I didn't see any Lancer on the car list, hence why I didn't run one. If there were one on there, I might have. I certainly have at least one Lancer in my garage.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

So that puts it at .6 faster than the best I ran in the Impreza and .7 faster than my best lap in the Golf. I didn't see any Lancer on the car list, hence why I didn't run one. If there were one on there, I might have. I certainly have at least one Lancer in my garage.

No one ran in it last season. Therefore, I temporarily removed it from the Season II car list, and re-instated it for Season III, since someone (uhhh, me) is using it.


However, new car specs:


Golf VI R '10: 266 hp, 1300 kg.

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X '08: 276 hp, 1325 kg.

Impreza WRX STi (all premium models): 276 hp, 1300 kg.



This change of specifications is now active on all all-wheel-drive vehicles.

This excludes the Audi S4, due to its already poor weight distribution.

The Evo X will receive 25 kg extra ballast, if AYC is used.


The Volvo C30 is hereby declared "at-risk," meaning that it needs to be tuned well, and used by a highly talented driver, if anyone wants to use it to win races. If no one chooses it, it will simply be removed from the series. It's a sad day for the Volvo.


However, if there's enough demand, we will allow the Volvo C30 to go below 1200 kg., to ensure that it is fully competitive.


Edit: I just ran a full-length race, 8+1 laps at Cape Ring South. The ITCC Season 3 will be comprised of 12 rounds, with four races, each of 25 kilometers in length. This is finalized.

Qualifying Races (the first two races) will use rolling starts. Feature Races (the last two races) will use standing starts.

 

[braunracing88]

No one ran in it last season. Therefore, I temporarily removed it from the Season II car list, and re-instated it for Season III, since someone (uhhh, me) is using it.


However, new car specs:


Golf VI R '10: 266 hp, 1300 kg.

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X '08: 276 hp, 1325 kg.

Impreza WRX STi (all premium models): 276 hp, 1300 kg.



This change of specifications is now active on all all-wheel-drive vehicles.

This excludes the Audi S4, due to its already poor weight distribution.

The Evo X will receive 25 kg extra ballast, if AYC is used.


The Volvo C30 is hereby declared "at-risk," meaning that it needs to be tuned well, and used by a highly talented driver, if anyone wants to use it to win races. If no one chooses it, it will simply be removed from the series. It's a sad day for the Volvo.


However, if there's enough demand, we will allow the Volvo C30 to go below 1200 kg., to ensure that it is fully competitive.


Edit: I just ran a full-length race, 8+1 laps at Cape Ring South. The ITCC Season 3 will be comprised of 12 rounds, with four races, each of 25 kilometers in length. This is finalized.

Qualifying Races (the first two races) will use rolling starts. Feature Races (the last two races) will use standing starts.

I've written down the new 4WD car specs and will test them after the WEC race later. I am, however, concerned about the shortened races in regards to the longer tracks like Daytona and Tokyo. 50km was a good distance for a feature race. 25km would be better suited for the qualifying races. And I really don't understand the need for two qualifying races. And how is the starting grind gonna be determined for the first qualifying race? Also, I think it's safe to assume pitstops aren't gonna play a role in these races.
Here's what the races would be at 50km, for a comparison:

Cape Ring South - 16 laps
Special Stage Route 5 - 14 laps
Trial Mountain - 13 laps
Suzuka East - 23 laps
Monza - 9 laps
Rome - 15 laps
Madrid - 15 laps
Tokyo R246 - 10 laps
Daytona Road Course - 9 laps
Indy Road Course - 12 laps
Laguna Seca - 14 laps
Nürburgring GP/D - 14 laps

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

ITCC will always try to be an under two-hour event, so that it doesn't drag on.


The first qualifying race's grid is determined at random. Every subsequent race after is determined by the finishg position of the race before.


ITCC Qualifying Races being 25 km. In length, are approximately 10-15 minutes long. Multiplied by 4, that makes about an hour, to an hour and a half. Now, if we ran 50 km. Feature races, each feature race would be approximately 30 minutes in length. Suddenly, we're talking an hour and a half. If everyone had time for the extra half hour, I would gladly run 50 km. Feature races. But, because I'm not sure if everyone has the time for the extra half hour or not, I'll propose it to the racers in the series.

Does everyone have time for the extra half an hour?


And, braun, please tell me the speed that you hit (in mph or km/h) at the braking point for turn 1 at Cape Ring South, in the Subaru. There's a discrepancy in the horsepower...

 

[Com Fox]

Got times for the Opel?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Got an Opel I can try out?


I am too tired to look for it. That's what the afternoon is for.


ECM/RPM Team members, please PM me your choice of cars, or which cars you're considering, so I can ensure that the cars you choose to run are also roughly equal in performance. I won't go public with your choice, nor put it in the Registered driver's list, I just need to know.

 

[Willfred_1]

if i was to set up the scirocco but run it with less power so its equal would it be allowed then as i'm not a fast driver i'm normally back of the grid

 

[Furinkazen]

Well, I am bagging a Volvo.

 

[sparkytooth]

Scooby's looking good, both colour and performance wise.

Haven't tested it on Cape Ring South yet with the new specs but I might go with my mate OLLY later today....

 

[Willfred_1]

how is the starting grind gonna be determined for the first qualifying race?

Easy the grid is based on current championship points
for pre round in order of sign ups
for first round based off the results of pre season

my best in a setup scirocco is a 1.23.027 after and hour of fine tuning
specs were scirocco at 1200 and 270bhp
ford was a 1.23.638

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

if i was to set up the scirocco but run it with less power so its equal would it be allowed then as i'm not a fast driver i'm normally back of the grid

The Scirocco was actually faster in the straights with 236 hp. 226 hp was considered for last season in the Scirocco.

Well, I am bagging a Volvo.

👍 Good luck! I hope you remember last season's set-up.

Scooby's looking good, both colour and performance wise.

Haven't tested it on Cape Ring South yet with the new specs but I might go with my mate OLLY later today....

yay!

Easy the grid is based on current championship points
for pre round in order of sign ups
for first round based off the results of pre season

my best in a setup scirocco is a 1.23.027 after and hour of fine tuning
specs were scirocco at 1200 and 270bhp
ford was a 1.23.638

Grid order: nope. First race of the day is set to random, by "results of previous race." Every subsequent race is actually ordered on the grid by the results of the previous race.

Also, the lap times aren't that bad, so maybe the Scirocco's been slowed down, but I don't want you to bring a teammate that annihilates everyone. Or, if we went to your favourite track or something, perhaps you would annihilate us all.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I'm coming online now. We're going to be testing cars at a mixture of tracks.


It'll be an open lobby. 👍 Feel free to stop by.