Help me be a better driver, how would you take this corner?

[Phoenixsui]

Noone else any idea to help me with the mustang? When i look in manufacturer ranking there was only 1 A/S driver in the ranking from Ford. Season 1+2. Is the Gr.3 car not competitiv enough or how is that? It almost feels like every other car is a lot faster in corners.

 

[JulesDennis]

If thats the change of direction your talking about then your application of the rules is even further wrong.

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That is the OP’s POV, his line from the get go was aiming at the apex, check his rear view Mclaren is nowhere alongside by the very definition of the rules that racing line is his.

Whatever happens after that is up to the Mclaren.

Like I said I am done.Just for your info a "photo" or a "frame" does not tell the story.
But since you keep coming back,tell my mate,where is the Viper?
Did you forget about that car? (LoL)
After the VW comes the Viper -that is actually divebombing VW- (from that same inside line) and then its the Mclaren(from that same...inside line) .At this "frame" the Viper (that you cannot see) is already in the inside line,the line that OP left open on purpuse.Tell me how is OP going to make the apex -and change his line- without hitting the Viper?
He cannot.He is going to wait for the Viper to pass because he is in the outside (as he did) and then make a really late and sudden change of line mid corner (as he did),hoping that the Mclaren that actually carries more speed (as everyone else except OP that intentionally was going too slow) will not go to the inside he himself opened.And the really interesting thing is that if OP keeps that outside line,will make it really difficult for the Mclaren to make that move work.
That was his mistake that I've beer writing and you fail to understand:He opened that door and when he is gonna try to close it,its too late:Mclaren will be there first.He picked the outside line going into that corner and he will try to change it mid corner.By FIA rules that is something you are not permitted to do when there is a car/cars attaching from behind.

At this point I am not sure you understand what racing line is and how cars can go either in the outside or inside line (entering and exiting a corner).
In fact after you asked me this :

How many times did the Mclaren change his line in the breaking zone?

How many times is he allowed to change line in the breaking zone?

told me all I need to know in order to understand why you cannot get the fact that OP should have stayed in the outside line,the one he "picked" -or forced to pick by the VW- there.

Again applying a rule after agreeing that the Mclaren shouldn’t have been there seems farcical, thats the same illogical thought process that PD provides us in giving us time penalties we can whittle down by coasting.

(from my very first post/page one):

I can say that even though that guy should not have dived in there -because of the way people were racing in front of him- in the first place...

I think my firsts posts were written way before any post of yours.So I did not agree with you in any way (as you put it).But either way,we first need to understand/know the rules in order to give a penalty or not (in case of an incident) dont you agree?

PS: You should go to the first page of the topic if you want to read that quote.I dont have to double-write every post of mine.
PS2: OP did not ask is he was wrong or not (in his opinion he should not have given a penalty).He asked what he could do in order to avoid -if possible- this.I gave three options (imo).You?
PS3 : You "forgot" to answer my points made in #102 comparing this case with the Green Hell post,a post you brought up here.And its not the only time you fail to make any valid point against mine.I understand that either:
a.You cannot or
b.Your logic is "the guy defending is always right,the guy attacking is always a dive-bomber".I am not suprised since you use the exact opposite -and simplistic- "logic" (comparing those two videos) to say that the guy attacking is a "dirty" dive bomber.For you,the guy in front is "de facto" the guy making no mistakes.
"I am in front,I have the right to do whatever I want".This is your logic.

@Phoenixsui

I am afraid that BoP is not at good state (you'll find a lot of posts talking about this).At this point VW has the best cars for both GR4-GR3 classes.
So you cannot really do anything about that.BTW there also some manufacturers with slower cars than Ford.So not all hope is lost.

 

[rono_thomas]

Like I said I am done.Just for your info a "photo" or a "frame" does not tell the story.

If your done then theres no need to keep pushing your point. If you were to read all of my posts in this thread you will find more evidence than just a screenshot.

But since you keep coming back,tell my mate,where is the Viper?
Did you forget about that car? (LoL)
After the VW comes the Viper -that is actually divebombing VW- (from that same inside line) and then its the Mclaren(from that same...inside line) .At this "frame" the Viper (that you cannot see) is already in the inside line,the line that OP left open on purpuse.Tell me how is OP going to make the apex -and change his line- without hitting the Viper?

The OP shows good situational awareness here by avoiding an incident that would have surely collected him. 👍

Mclaren that actually carries more speed

By braking and then not braking, please understand that action is equal to accelerating when in a braking zone. Its abnormal and erratic. The mclaren should be reacting to what is happening in front of him, however he is hell bent in getting alongside in any manner.

That was his mistake that I've beer writing and you fail to understand:He opened that door and when he is gonna try to close it,its too late:Mclaren will be there first.He picked the outside line going into that corner and he will try to change it mid corner.By FIA rules that is something you are not permitted to do when there is a car/cars attaching from behind.

There is no car attacking when the op is changing direction, there is however a car attempting a late lunge that was always going to go royally wrong, and did. There was no viable door open for the Mclaren, the op gave viper and beetle just the right amount of room for them to have their incident, the op then cutback (which involve different racing lines) which would inevitably close the door on the Mclaren. Not an illegal move as you describe, remember that FIA rules contain a lot of grey areas not just the black and white fashion you are attempting to apply said rules.

At this point I am not sure you understand what racing line is and how cars can go either in the outside or inside line (entering and exiting a corner).

As I said op is following cutback racing lines which are different, I an very sure thank you very much, play the ball now.

told me all I need to know in order to understand why you cannot get the fact that OP should have stayed in the outside line,the one he "picked" -or forced to pick by the VW- there.

I asked those questions for you to provide the answer that you did, clean pass, thats what I wanted you to say and you did, and the Mclarens pass was not clean, play the ball again.

I think my firsts posts were written way before any post of yours.

And that is relevant how? Ive read them and I dissagree.

But either way,we first need to understand/know the rules in order to give a penalty or not (in case of an incident) dont you agree?

Agreed and as you have said the Mclaren should not be there so therefore there should be no penalty applied to the op.

PS2: OP did not ask is he was wrong or not (in his opinion he should not have given a penalty).He asked what he could do in order to avoid -if possible- this.I gave three options (imo).You?

Your opinions ns inherently advocate false racing my advice is simple. The op drove very well in a difficult situation, he made good decisions, now if protecting your SR rating is important then op avoid the contact, if its not, then in the same situation do exactly the same thing, Race!

I do not disagree with these but...A simple Questions:
Did the Ferrari hit the Mclaren or the Mclaren the Ferrari?If we cannot agree to that there is no point to keep doing this.

This is where I began speaking with you, again its simple and as you put it, the Mclaren shouldn’t be there so the Mclaren hit the ferrari.

 

[JulesDennis]

@rono_thomas

Its not my job to make people understand basic rules of racing.
Have a nice day mate.

 

[rono_thomas]

@rono_thomas

Its not my job to make people understand basic rules of racing.
Have a nice day mate.

Your tutorage is not needed, as Ive said I understand them very well.

Just because your opinion is not agreed with doesn’t mean the counter opinion is incorrect, as I’ve said, as well others, that your application of the rules is flawed. Nobody has insulted your knowledge, as in a healthy debate its not needed. You continue to infer that I don’t understand basic concepts. Thats an argument with no substance.

I like yourself have many years of online organised league racing. Your are not more knowledgeable as you are trying to point out.