High Performance Honda Thread: The S2000 is Back?
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Well, though it is only a test mule, it seems to looks better as a concept.
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IT HAS A NAME.
Sort of. It's a code name; "2NX". I'm almost positive that if you found yourself a Honda engineer and asked him something like "So how's that 2NX coming along?" he'd reply with something like "Eh...I don't know what you're talking about."
The shop I work at has a long history of doing machining and tooling work for Honda manufacturing plants around the country, namely up in Anna, Ohio; Indiana; and Alabama. We've got a few engines laying around that we've used to design and build assembly line sections--most with robots--and we've got the bottom half of an Element chassis along with the rear quarter panels of an Element (pre-production code SCV), a Civic (SNA) and a CR-V. Lots of Honda stuff all over the place.
While I was checking out these very complex skeletons one of the guys from engineering came out to make a few notes, and we got to talking about the names and codes that car companies use. He mentioned the codes for the Civic and Element as I wrote above, and he also showed me a rear quarter panel drawing for a car which he said didn't have a name yet. The code for the project was 2NX. The side profile of this CAD drawing showed something with a very sleek fast-back rear profile and little or no trunk hangover. It looked more like a ducktail. It had a very thin and small side window behind the door opening. The door opening itself had a very sharp angle up from the bottom of the car, as do many front engine sports cars, and it angled forward at what would be the shoulder of the car's body. The rear wheel opening was quite large compared to the height of the door and was only about 6 inches rear of the door. The whole panel appeared much thinner than the Civic sedan which I was studying prior.
I tried to think of other cars Honda has which have this rear profile, and all I could come up with was the new TL, which has a very small trunk ledge. But that design is finalized and obviously has a name. This 2NX doesn't have a name yet. And besides, the code is "2NX"...you know there's only one thing that comes to mind when you hear that. This drawing and code name suggests to me that it's the panel for the 2nd "NSX" and that the chassis design is finished on the car--these drawings are meant for the design of a robot to handle and build the frame. Seeing as prototypes have been driving around, I'd say we'll see the final design very, very soon.
So if you're gonna call Honda's NSX successor something, call it by it's real code name 2NX.
Sort of. It's a code name; "2NX". I'm almost positive that if you found yourself a Honda engineer and asked him something like "So how's that 2NX coming along?" he'd reply with something like "Eh...I don't know what you're talking about."
The shop I work at has a long history of doing machining and tooling work for Honda manufacturing plants around the country, namely up in Anna, Ohio; Indiana; and Alabama. We've got a few engines laying around that we've used to design and build assembly line sections--most with robots--and we've got the bottom half of an Element chassis along with the rear quarter panels of an Element (pre-production code SCV), a Civic (SNA) and a CR-V. Lots of Honda stuff all over the place.
While I was checking out these very complex skeletons one of the guys from engineering came out to make a few notes, and we got to talking about the names and codes that car companies use. He mentioned the codes for the Civic and Element as I wrote above, and he also showed me a rear quarter panel drawing for a car which he said didn't have a name yet. The code for the project was 2NX. The side profile of this CAD drawing showed something with a very sleek fast-back rear profile and little or no trunk hangover. It looked more like a ducktail. It had a very thin and small side window behind the door opening. The door opening itself had a very sharp angle up from the bottom of the car, as do many front engine sports cars, and it angled forward at what would be the shoulder of the car's body. The rear wheel opening was quite large compared to the height of the door and was only about 6 inches rear of the door. The whole panel appeared much thinner than the Civic sedan which I was studying prior.
I tried to think of other cars Honda has which have this rear profile, and all I could come up with was the new TL, which has a very small trunk ledge. But that design is finalized and obviously has a name. This 2NX doesn't have a name yet. And besides, the code is "2NX"...you know there's only one thing that comes to mind when you hear that. This drawing and code name suggests to me that it's the panel for the 2nd "NSX" and that the chassis design is finished on the car--these drawings are meant for the design of a robot to handle and build the frame. Seeing as prototypes have been driving around, I'd say we'll see the final design very, very soon.
So if you're gonna call Honda's NSX successor something, call it by it's real code name 2NX.
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Great find! You just had a world first exclusive, thanks for posting it here at GTP first!
*Waits for Autoblog news article on this thanks to Keef*
*Waits for Autoblog news article on this thanks to Keef*
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Great find! This is my first post in this thread actually, so it's opinion time. Not too keen on this thing so far, looks very, very like the Lexus LF-A and that isn't a good thing for me, but I expect once the camo is off it and we see production ones it might look a wee bit better. As for the 'Ring vid, it definitely looks like a speedy little thing.
I assume the name will be changing, and just as well as when I see the letters "NX" it always makes me think of the Nissan 100NX, the little targa based on the sunny.
I assume the name will be changing, and just as well as when I see the letters "NX" it always makes me think of the Nissan 100NX, the little targa based on the sunny.
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Pretty sure it's gonna be built at Tochigi in Japan and that the US engineers will have absolutely nothing to do with it, as with the original NSX, the S2000 and the Type-R models... like pretty much all that comes out of the Tochigi plant, which is considered the "high performance" plant.
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They probably won't have any input on the car itself, but we've obviously got some sort of project concerning the manufacturing process. The drawing was of a jig that mounts on a robot arm and uses suction cups to pick up and move the part. I don't see a reason to include that drawing with the other cars' jigs unless we were doing something with it. We don't have a panel, though, so I'm not sure what project they've got. It could even be a tiny little stick of aluminum that supports the panel somewhere.
I asked to take a picture of it but I wasn't allowed because of the confidentiality thing they send along with all their projects. We all know what happens when that stuff leaks out. It's the same reason they won't let me take home that K24 sitting in the back of the shop.
But all this amounts to is a code name and a few pretty solid assumptions: that they're finished with the chassis design, they're busy tooling factories to build it right now, that the final body will probably be placed on the chassis very soon, and they most certainly don't have a name for it yet, or at least aren't going to tell a soul until they're good and ready. Also, whether it will be a Honda or Acura in the states still isn't known. They could simply put Acura badges on it like they did the NSX.
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That was the obvious choice back in 1991, because no one in their right mind would pay 70k+ for a Honda, even if it was better than anything Stuttgart and Maranello had to offer at the time, and Acura was still relatively new. With Acura's current luxury-oriented theme it's probably a safe bet it'll be an Acura once more.
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New NSX: Now in diagram form:
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2010 Acura NSX: New diagram reveals exterior design
A single diagram of what appears to be the 2010 Acura NSX has found its way onto the Web, offering the first ever glimpse at how the finished car will look. The new NSX, which has been delayed repeatedly, is expected to incorporate a front-mounted, 550 hp V10 engine and a new high-performance, rear-wheel-drive based version of Acuras Super Handling All-Wheel Drive (SH-AWD). A similar RWD/AWD system is also expected for the 2011 Acura RL.
In step with todays consumption-conscious society, the car is rumored to get a cylinder deactivation system, called Variable Cylinder Management (VCM), which would allow it to run on one bank of cylinders during low-load conditions.
Honda showed its Advanced Sports Car Concept at the 2007 Detroit Auto Show, a preview of the next-generation NSX, but failed to deliver a production version as Honda said it would at the 2007 Tokyo show.
According to Dick Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., the delay has been because designers couldnt agree on the NSXs styling. All of the designers are working together on the NSX, but they cant agree on the styling, he said in January this year.
American Honda President and CEO Tetsuo Iwamura recently confirmed the NSX will be launched in the U.S. in 2010. Honda will also be launching the Acura brand in Japan and Europe around the same time, but the automaker says it will launch the NSX in the U.S. market first.
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I don't know... it sort of feels like a Ferrari 599... which, IMHO, is a good thing... who cares if it's FMR (front-midship-rear drive) instead of MR... it looks more dramatic that way.
Front-engined Ferraris have a sexiness that their mid-engined cars just can't seem to match... while it's possible for mid-engined cars to be sexy, they're increasingly nothing more than wedges on wheels... I prefer this approach much better... especially since this car will not just be a performance flagship, but a luxury flagship, for the Honda brand.
Front-engined Ferraris have a sexiness that their mid-engined cars just can't seem to match... while it's possible for mid-engined cars to be sexy, they're increasingly nothing more than wedges on wheels... I prefer this approach much better... especially since this car will not just be a performance flagship, but a luxury flagship, for the Honda brand.
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I'd still be a bit weary over the drawing there, I'm sure that a lot of that will change by the end. Either way, I'm not completely surprised, but counting on the dropping of the NSX name, I don't think we have much to worry about.
Either way, they've got the GT-R locked in their sights. Lets hope that they make it a compelling $100K purchase this time.
Either way, they've got the GT-R locked in their sights. Lets hope that they make it a compelling $100K purchase this time.
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I like the shape from what I can see, but it'll never be a "NSX". However, if the thread title is true, then it seems Honda listened to the masses. 2NX does have a NSX ring to it, but it also creatively sounds like "NSX 2.0" (which is what Honda is probably shooting for).
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In what way do you not believe it?
It's a V10 engined flagship Honda.
How many times have they made the NSX successor without actually making it? 3?
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Part of me says I like it. Another part of me says that I wished it still had that mid/RWD configuration. The original NSX may lack the horsepower and performance to be thought of as a proper supercar, but its handling is beautiful. If you ask me, this may be the lovliest Acura I've ever seen if this is the finalized design. It looks like a lovely coupe with straightforward design and a menacing presence. This is kind of like an SLR or Aston Martin for Acura. It's okay to miss the mid/RWD NSX (I especially do), but this car looks great judging on this concept design. Wouldn't you want a fastback-type car from Honda/Acura? Just add "NSX Successor," and you know that any future iterations will have to be damned good to avoid this being an epic fail.
I'd give this thing a chance. This is basically auto show season, so we'll need to see more images of true-to-life concepts to get a real idea of what to expect with this car.
I'd give this thing a chance. This is basically auto show season, so we'll need to see more images of true-to-life concepts to get a real idea of what to expect with this car.
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I'll be fine, so long as it's not called "NSX."
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Like everyone else, I'll probably be excited about this car as long as it's not called an NSX. I think it's a pretty good looking car, easily the best of the new Acuras, although that isn't saying much.
The thing I'm pretty excited about is the cylinder deactivation. I'd be excited to have a car that behaves like an economical I-5 when just tooling around, yet can turn into screaming V-10 monster on command.
The thing I'm pretty excited about is the cylinder deactivation. I'd be excited to have a car that behaves like an economical I-5 when just tooling around, yet can turn into screaming V-10 monster on command.
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I'd like to think that they'd make an MR NSX a Honda, slotting it into the Porsche Cayman/Nissan 370Z market.
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DON'T style it with the current Acura family look. It will look like rot if they do. I'm already dreading the thought of them ruining such a car with that hideous styling that the TL and TSX wears right now.
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-> Hmm, '2NX', 'ARX', 'Acura Coupe'...whatever its called. The car will likely to fail eventually. My optimism regarding this vehicle is a complete ziltch. That diagram might not be the final design, or it might eventually end up with this:
^ Hey, they already did that with the TL:
-> And also noting that this car will be an Acura brand only vehicle, which it is an anomaly worldwide. Honda is wasting its efforts of creating this thing, they should think back and reminise:
^ Hey, they already did that with the TL:
-> And also noting that this car will be an Acura brand only vehicle, which it is an anomaly worldwide. Honda is wasting its efforts of creating this thing, they should think back and reminise:
Honda: The Power of THE GRILLE
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You sure you're talking about the LF-A and its many years of development & concepts before it finally...died?
Why?! If they are to make a true NSX successor, it needs to compete with Ferrari's 430 or whatever they'll have. The Ferrari of Japan can't have a successor without that title.
That doesn't mean it won't do well. Acura's TL is one of the best selling cars in the US, and despite recent ugly looks, they're still selling pretty well.
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^ There no way knowing that this will follow that trend:
-> The soon-to-be-last-gen TL can still be sold as brand new, of course that will still boost sales at Acura. But one the new TL? Hah!
-> Even the very few Acura dealers are embarrased on the new TL, and took action:
^ That still wont save it.
^ I could use the term 'used to'. I mean this was the best-selling Acura:Reventón;3221206
^ There no way knowing that this will follow that trend:
-> The soon-to-be-last-gen TL can still be sold as brand new, of course that will still boost sales at Acura. But one the new TL? Hah!
-> Even the very few Acura dealers are embarrased on the new TL, and took action:
^ That still wont save it.
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Who said dealers are doing that to save it? Knowing the way dealers run very well, it's likely an add-on that'll cost $250 just so the dealer can make more money off the sale.
But, I will ask McDavid if that matching grill is available through the dealers, because the salesman I talked to shrugged his shoulders when I told him I wish they had color-matched the grill.
BTW, I'm positive the SH-AWD will still save sales. That car is a beast from what I've heard on Acurazine, and I'm already awaiting our dealer's first ones.
But, I will ask McDavid if that matching grill is available through the dealers, because the salesman I talked to shrugged his shoulders when I told him I wish they had color-matched the grill.
BTW, I'm positive the SH-AWD will still save sales. That car is a beast from what I've heard on Acurazine, and I'm already awaiting our dealer's first ones.
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