Hockenheim

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It's almost been a long time since a GP, given the series of back to back races in Canada/US and then France/Britain, all of which were quite notable for various reasons. Hockenheim has traditionally been a race of high attrition, and since it's redesign, has lost essentially all character. Gone are the numerous subtlely different chicanes linking huge, sweeping straights, replaced by a hack of an infield in another Tilke designed circuit big on safety and low on interest. 2003 say Montoya win, Schumacher's tyre explode on the penultimate lap and Barrichello, Raikkonen and Ralf Schumacher collide at the first turn.

Ferrari goes to Hockenheim needing to score 12 more points than Renault to secure the 2004 Constructors title, 6 rounds before the end of the season. Indeed only BAR and Renault are capable of catching the mighty Maranello as things stand. The drivers situations is barely better - Schumacher, Barrichello, Button, Trulli and Alonso are the only ones left with a mathematical chance. If there has ever been an achille's heel to Schumacher's season it has come at Hockenheim, a statistic the German will be looking to shurg off, much as he did his Silverstone stigma, whilst Rubens will be doing better if he makes it past the first turn - ditto Raikkonen.

McLaren boss Ron Dennis has been talking up his team following their return to form in Britain with the new MP4-19B, and the teams have made good use of the weekend off to get into testing again. The offer of one British journalist to run a lap of Silverstone completely naked should McLaren win a round will surely drive them to succeed ;) Dennis has conceeded catching Renault or BAR will be a challenge, but that McLaren will be carrying the fight to Williams before the season's end.

Williams in turn have relegated Marc Gene back to testing duties after two lacklustre races in the FW26. Antonio Pizzonia now gets his chance to impress, alongside the ever cheerful and diplomatic Montoya, who'll have a hard fight to defend his 2003 German GP win.

BAR seem to have slipped a notch from their form earlier in the season, and will be hoping Takuma Sato can finish again to try and help them bridge the gap to Renault in the Constructors race.

Renault will be looking to put the disappointing British GP behind them, and keep their second place in the championship secure. The team remains surrounded by contract rumours centralised around Trulli - his Monaco win has been quickly forgotten after a few DNFs and the French GP incident that will live long in Flavio's mind.

Sauber are also on the driver prowl, with no real word on who they'll be fielding next season, as whispers of Fisichella heading to Renault circulate. They'll be hoping that Bridgestone's strong performance run doesn't come unstuck.

Toyota may be buoyed with the announcement of Ralf Schumacher's addition to the team, but that will do little to improve a car that has seen very little in the way of speed on race days, and the teams 8 points attests to that.

Jordan will be hoping for a high rate of attrition as has so often been the case at Hockenheim to gift them more points, whilst Jaguar remain clouded over whether they'll be retaining Mark Webber's services for next year - though it seems assured he'll be racing in green for the rest of 2004. Minardi made the most of a tragic weekend at Silverstone that saw their technical director, John Walton, pass away, and will be hoping for a far brighter outlook come this Sunday.

The FIA has also announced a large number of changes in regulation aimed at reigning in escalating speeds, which are set to come to a head shortly at Monza where Mark Webber estimated the cars could reach 370km/h thanks to slipstreaming.

So once again, here's the place for all the times, quotes and gossip throughout the weekend.
 
Macca 1
Fiat 2
Ren-t 3

So will McLaren realy be able to pull off another podium or even the win they seem so confident about, I have my reservations but i'd like to see it.
 
Eagle
If there has ever been an achille's heel to Schumacher's season it has come at Hockenheim, a statistic the German will be looking to shurg off
Blake
I was talking to a friend at school and he broguht up an interesting point -- MSC won 5 races, then didn't win on the 6th, since he has won 5 races....will he not win the 6th;)
Predictions...ummm
1st. Kimi
2nd. Rubens
3rd. Jenson/Trulli

I think MSC will have difficulties out of his hands, I think Montoya will get top 5 and I think Pizzonia wont be in the points.
Blake
 
I've given up predicting as it creates false hope (for me anyway). I now just watch the race and see what happens.
 
1. Michael Schumacher - unstoppable
2. Jenson Button - Power + Michelin = Good
3. Kimi Raikkonen - McLaren seems handy if light on grunt. Kimi got a bit of a strop on, so trying hard.
 
1. Schumi - Maybe he can win on a 1 stop (or 5 stop) strategy this time.
2. Kimi - Unless Silverstone was not a true representation of their pace.
3. Alonso - Seems to be racey of late.

And one more thing......
















































I want rain!
 
TheCracker - armed with a JCB - will travel to Hockenheim, dig up the new circuit and force them to run the weekend on the fantastic old circuit. No team will be prepared for this, so we may even get a new race winner as well as a more interesting race.
 
TheCracker
TheCracker - armed with a JCB - will travel to Hockenheim, dig up the new circuit and force them to run the weekend on the fantastic old circuit. No team will be prepared for this, so we may even get a new race winner as well as a more interesting race.

Michael's always prepared, but how's a Job Control Block going to help you dig up the circuit?

Toyota are cautiously optimistic about their B car but we'll find out in 12 hours if it actually makes a difference.
 
I was so annoyed when they changed the track. The straights and chicane in the middle of the forest made it one of my favourite tracks. Now its just dull. Why did they change it anyway? Was it for saftey reasons?
 
Kimi isn't that far behind, though. A mere .044 seconds seperates Michael and Kimi. Where's DC, though? hahahaha

I think the track was changed so that spectators could see the race... rather than watching the cars go off/come back from the forest.

Just read that Button suffered a failed engine during the closing minutes of 2nd practice. So that's -10 grid slots for him. Kind of an awful way to start off BAR/Honda's renewed deal, eh?
 
Heh, pitty to lose 10 positions so early in the weekend.

Is there any improvement with the new toyota?
 
Zonta claimed 10th but the regular duo were 16th and 17th, hardly impressive.

The high temperatures are going to test the Bridgestones just like at Malaysia, but I'm thinking they may also help to alleviate the 1 lap pace the Michelins hold as the Bridgestones will rise to optimum temp faster.

BAR were unfortunate, Button losing 10 grid spots is going to hurt, and sadly robs us of one of our race contenders. McLaren and Williams both look strong, Pizzonia set some good times.

The Hockenheim circuit was modified for two reasons: safety, as has been an issue with almost every circuit, but also the length actually made it difficult for people to get out through the forest to the stands and viewing opportunities were limited because of it.
 
Schumacher looks strong to keep pole, lucky guy :lol:
I predict red for this race...........

::Holy crap! DC looking strong through T1-2.
::: Oh no, JPM and MSC on front row down to turn one, baaaad.
 
Hahaha, If JPM can keep up with MSC 'till the first corner it's going to be a hell of a fight. Good to see the McLarens also have good pace. Trulli on the 3rd row -- he could be in for a fight if he gets a good jump off the start (when doesn't he)
 
Montoya will be strongest on the opening lap and have his best chance at getting ahead then, but even if he does, I think Michael can throw down another sensational series to reclaim the lead. Rubens is going deep so Ferrari obviously have confidence in the durability of their Bridgestone tyres regardless of the heat.

Could yet be one of the closest races of the season, we'll see.
 
Micheals going to win due to him putting down record laps when he gets clean air. But if he is held up for some reason there could be a chance of a VERY close race. Well just have to wait and see:D
 
Oh look Shu... Umm... Forget that.

So yeah, GREAT race for Jensen. This was actully a good race. Something to do with the cameras not paying much attention to Shumi maybe.

Poor poor Kimi. He needs a hug I think.

Webber! Nice race from him.

And so on.
 
well, i got first and second place right again. i should bet some €uros next time.
kimis stunt looked pretty scaring...
 
Funny to see the German Ferrari fans cheering when Kimi went off.

"Yay! Someone's just spun at 180mph and crashed! Hurrah!"

W****rs.


Anyway, Alonso and Trulli must have thought they were going mad - holding off challenges left, right and centre, then dropping back 2 places in one corner... Webber's move after Button had got past was hilarious!

Good passing action, lots of nice close racing... If only mumblemumblemumble hadn't won it'd have been a great race.
 
Kimi wasn't too pleased to say the least, I was pretty dissapointed hoping to see him chase MS down, or at leat push him. And then Trulli had a bit of Kimi's rear wing under his front wing causing all sorts of problems. But who cares? Jenson Button is awesome, 13th on the grid to 2nd with a good strategy and some nice ovetaking.
 
I liked the race.. Poor, poor Kimi, again he retired 'cause of the car :( Coulthard did an ok job in my opinion.

Schumacher won.. again.. Great race for him though. Poor Barrichello, after he lost the wing, he dropped too far behind.. Oddly he didn´t score (points) :lol: today.

Go Button 👍 It´s a long way from 13th place to second. Great race, and amazing racing with Alonso there. Briatore didn´t look too happy.. Bad race for Trulli, does anyone know what happened to him?

Very average race for Williams. Montoya did not too good but at least he scored some points. Pizzonia was a disappointment. He did good in the qualification, but I thought he´d do better.

Jaguar did great! I was cheering for Webber with all of my Fanboy™-power! Sixth place was something unordinary from Jag this season. Go Webber. Klien did also pretty good, he finished tenth, and that is good for so unexperienced driver. Jaguar gets my respect 👍

Sato spun and lost his possible sixth place. Not too good race for him.

Fisco did again pretty good race, no points though. Sauber is doing pretty average nowadays, they have a good car and good pit stop strategies. Nothing special for Massa.

Toyota had bad race. Panis cancelled the start at first, DaMatta suffered some technical thingos and crashed. Panis didn´t do too well either.

Minardi.. :D Well, nothing special..

Jordan is an odd team. They won couple times in the 1999 season, but there started the downhill. They do have the same factory engines as Jaguar, but all they can do, is race with Minardis. Pantano´s tire blew (or what the **** happened there), but he wasn´t doing too good anyway. Heidfeld retired too. Heidfeld´s career in F1 might end soon, 'cause he got kicked out from Sauber and Eddie Jordan hired him. Not too good move. And now he´s doing so bad that I don´t think he´ll be racing in F1 next year.

Again, some of my thoughts :D Thank you for reading :P

Cheers, all
 
OK, the race was going very well, until Kimi lost his rear wing.

It just seems most of the drivers are only good enough to battle for 2nd, 3rd and 4th place, while 1st place is always the same. Nevertheless, it looks like only Kimi is in the same class as Schumi, or at least it's like he's the only one who isn't rolling in the mud with the rest of them. Look at that start: Alonso went from 5th to 2nd (great move), but less than 5 laps later, Kimi passed him and set his sights to pass Schumi, while all the other drivers just played around.

That's one of the problems with the actual season. Since Villeneuve retired, Schumi is the only world champion of the whole grid, and every race he shows that he'll be the only one for a long time. But in the middle 90s, there were as many as 5 world-champion-material racing at the same time.

So is it a case of Ferrari doing overkill with the competition, or the competition not doing enough to reach Ferrari... I guess we could call this sport Formula Ferrari...

Just blowing off some steam
 
If Jenson had been able to start from 3rd, then Schummi would have been toast. Jenson went 4 laps longer than MS at the first stint which would have enabled him to get past.
 
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