Well, I knew perfectly well how PD and Sony are related. Again, does it matter? Microsoft acts as publisher for Turn10 as well. So what? while PD didn't get the employees needed to get everything done, T10 didn't get the time to get everything done. You blame Sony for GT's faults instead of PD, so why are blaming T10 for Forza's?
If it wasn't for the fact that every Forza has pretty major issues, I'd give them a pass. In fact, in a previous post which might have gone the way of the delete bin, I was being generous and postulating that it could well be MS's fault for not letting T10 do their job. But after three tries, it's clear to me that they have this endemic problem of rushing just to get a product out the door, make a trunkload of cash, and hit the beach, just like everything associated with Microsoft.
So you're saying Sony isn't just after every single dollar they could possibly get? Why do you think PD has to release the game with 80% recycled cars? Because Kaz is doing all the development for the hell of it? Or maybe because Sony 'forced' them to actually get that game out somewhen? It's just the same with Forza, Turn10 and MS. The only difference is the scale it happened on, both in terms of budget (which was higher on GT5) and timeframe (which was bigger in GT5).
On the bold part, I'm not quite sure what you're saying. I'll just give my reaction.
I'm sure there are those in SONY who admire EA's approach to chucking out half-assed sequels every year, with marginal changes and, dare I say it, often questionable QA. But we can thank God that those in command have some respect for A Class developers like Guerilla and Polyphony, and grant them a certain amount of schedule leeway.
On the Standars Car issue, I hope you understand that by now so I don't have to revisit it.
Maybe you're just overexaggerating things? Yeah, I spend most of my time on Forza with racing. Admittetly, the lightning in the livery editor sucks and it's kind of a stretch to get pics from Forza to your PC, at least it is if you don't know how to do it. There are things that bother me a lot, like the PI imbalances, glitched cars and whatever. But guess what? Up to this point, Forza's flawed community features are met by Gran Turismo with, well, nothing. So, yeah, you might rant on about those things, but until now, did GT do it any better?
On the first bold, no. Really, four hours of my life wasted. Plus. Unnecessarily. On top of that, for images which Microsoft screwed up. Amd I stull wasn't done. Just trying to get three or four images transferred through that idiotic MS gauntlet to a file sharing site. And yes, I know how to do it. I also have enough sense to see my life slipping away grain by grain while I watch the 360 bogg through a file folder.
On the second bold, that's kind of a stretch. "You really should appreciate what you've got, because right now, that's all there is"? Really?? I find that to be a pretty thin argument.
I don't ignore what you're saying. In fact, I'm tearing your post apart to adress your points one by one right now. And I'm not telling you to not be critical about Forza. But if you're being critical about Forza, be critical about GT as well. You're like "Oh, I like Kaz's way of doing things, so it's ok if GT has some shortcomings. Oh, I dislike T10's way of doing things, so it's not ok if Forza has some shortcomings!".
Now, is that applying double standards or isn't it? Just because you like one company's way to do things better than the other's doesn't justify a biased view on their products.
But I guess I'll better keep my mouth shut from now on, because, as it seems, all you're going to do is telling us how bad Forza's shortcomings are and how GT's are not... 👍
Sure, dude.
So, it should be okay for Turn 10 to put out a game in which even racing is gimped to the point you can't treat it seriously, just because GT5 has two classes of cars in it.
I mean, this is what you're saying.
Look, suppose when we get GT5 and do a race with both Premium and Standard cars - yes, I want to - it causes the game to crash. Suppose laying down three layers of skidmarks causes the install to corrupt when you take a pic of it, frying your game. Suppose inadvertently entering a Premium car in an Online Standard Car Event causes the server to lock up and your account to get banned for no apparent reason.
If things like this happen, then yes, both games will equally suck. And you can darn well bet that I'm going to be joining the chorus of malcontents here demanding that Polyphony give us a patch within a week.
It seems like some of you are like Devedander, miffed that we aren't as upset by this 800 Standard Car issue as he is. That after a while, we shrugged and said, "Well, you know, those cars really do look pretty darn good." That no, we're supposed to be as cranky as he is, and about to tear Jordan's board down and threaten boycotts until some sort of restitution is made.
You seem stunned that we don't treat this just exactly like the broken online racing situation in Forza 3 in which you find yourself in last place because you didn't give your car an AWD upgrade.
If you prefer a game that's more full of cars of similar quality - and a lot buggier - well, that's your decision. If GT5's 800 Standard cars give you gas, I'm sure you'll deal with it in some form or fashion. You might wish that Kazunori had farmed out work to shops in third world countries too, but I'm glad he didn't. We both play these series, and we both deal with the issues in our own way. But the issues aren't the same at all. We react to then differently, and we deal with them differently too.
Maybe Forza 4 will finally be a quality game through and through, in which case, woo, now we can get down to actual nitpicking and fanboy bragging, and maybe even enjoy both on a true level playing field. But... you know, T10 doesn't have that kind of track record, so we'll have to see.
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& FM3 however, & FM3 is the one I keep going back to because it personally offers me more enjoyment thanks to its car list & great sounds. Once GT5 is out, maybe it'll do the same.
) No new features during career mode. I was really upset at Forza3, yes the new graphics got me pumped, but after a few months a barley play the game. I even got a wheel for that game ahh the physics feel so damn forza2. In the end as a forza3 fan i was somewhat disappointed. Im hopping the boys over at Turn 10 can turn it up with Forza4 👍
is making me very happy. Also its very pleasant to think the thought that GT6 is going to benefit from GT5 in so many ways. GT5 is going to take up good years with our lives, i am very pleased how things are looking for us. 👍
