I have a theory. There are two types of people that purchased GT5.

[Stephen220378]

yer also that but the main thing was that it was that long. to be honest its not called the real driving simulator for nothing, carnt really save where u are if you where doing it in real life

In real life 24hr hour endurance races one driver doesn't drive the entire race either so implementing a save feature would have been forgiven for straying off the reality path.

 

[Exorcet]

you would still get people complaining about something, enjoy the game, thats what it was created for

While PD can't satisfy everyone, they can certainly increase the percentage of people who think the game feels like a complete product.

By your logic, it would be fine if GT5 was GT4 on a Bluray disk.

 

[mathuali]

In real life 24hr hour endurance races one driver doesn't drive the entire race either so implementing a save feature would have been forgiven for straying off the reality path.

Or you could have your m8's around, just like in real life

 

[Masterfirewall]

Or you could have your m8's around, just like in real life

That is my plan

 

[Exorcet]

Or you could have your m8's around, just like in real life

I'm pretty sure people have more to do than sit in your room and wait for you to do a race.

Even then, who says they'd even like (or be good enough) Gran Turismo enough to help you?

Actually, you seem to be against just having the most logical option, a save feature. Why?

 

[mathuali]

While PD can't satisfy everyone, they can certainly increase the percentage of people who think the game feels like a complete product.

By your logic, it would be fine if GT5 was GT4 on a Bluray disk.

pretty much yer, updated graphics a tod, added newer cars and menu, online play, few more tracks and race categories. good enough for me.

i one of those, grateful for what i am given

 

[Exorcet]

i one of those, grateful for what i am given

There's a difference between being grateful and letting people rip you off.

pretty much yer, updated graphics a tod, added newer cars and menu, online play, few more tracks and race categories. good enough for me.

Also notice how you implied dissatisfaction with getting only GT4 on a Bluray. GT4 on a Bluray would not have updated anything. So certainly, there is some minimum expectation of improvement from title to title yes?

 

[jodark]

Grinding is a good thing, it shows that a player can win the race more than once, and that there first time weren't jest a flook.

Wut. So me hopping in the Veyron and doing Indy over and over proves I'm good? How does that make sense?

 

[Stephen220378]

you would still get people complaining about something, enjoy the game, thats what it was created for

I am enjoying it, I'm just not the kind of person who sticks my head in the sand and pretends it's perfect. Every game ever made was created to be enjoyed, however there's a hell of a lot of games I haven't enjoyed one bit so I won't enjoy it just because it was the developers intention.

 

[mathuali]

I'm pretty sure people have more to do than sit in your room and wait for you to do a race.

Even then, who says they'd even like (or be good enough) Gran Turismo enough to help you?

Actually, you seem to be against just having the most logical option, a save feature. Why?

i dunno, i like to get things done once iv started it, whats wrong with the pause button.

this is only my opinion, all my equipment is on constant and no1 touches it, so it is different for me

 

[mathuali]

There's a difference between being grateful and letting people rip you off.

Simple answer, DONT buy it then, buy another game

Wut. So me hopping in the Veyron and doing Indy over and over proves I'm good? How does that make sense?

do it in a less powerful car that the AI will give a good challenge to

 

[Stephen220378]

Or you could have your m8's around, just like in real life

What about the fact that an endurance race winner isn't always the car that crosses the finish line first? That's another thing that's unreal about GT endurance races

 

[Devedander]

I will rephrase, yes there are flaws, learn to look past them or simply go play something else.

Do I like grinding no, I hate it. But it did something interesting to a game.
Do I want more premium cars, sure why not, but 200 out of 1000 is a lot.

Yes because those are the only two logical options and the most creative in terms of insuring that products improve over time.

This is the same flawed argument as "If you don't like the way things are done in this country move to some other country!".

Look at it this way, if a game company like PD went to go make GT6 for example and sat down and put everyones two cents into the game to make it perfect, then the game would simply not get finished and would be a giant money hole. Oh and the game would still not be perfect because there are over six billion people in the world. That would be unrealistic and terrible for business.

Look at it this way, if you ignore hyperbole and think rationally plenty of game companies release games (and sequals) that live up to expectations and have a much shorter list of flaws and (more importantly) less flaws that show a dramatic step backwards from previous iterations.

Also look at it this way, GT5 took this long to release badly flawed and not only didn't impliment a lot of peoples wishes but made clear steps backwards and is obivously still released unfinished. So are you defending the way thing DID happen and the flawed result over the way things might have happened that works for many other games and companies?

You come across like the kind of person who would decry "universal health care can't work for all these reasons, imagine it would be like this" yet ignores the fact that many countries have fully functional universal health care.

Just enjoy the game for what it is and what they have done in the game, if you don't like it then stop playing. Simple solution.

So simple it's flawed.

Or you could have your m8's around, just like in real life

Would we get to split all the winnings and sponsor money like in real life too or do I get to keep it all myself?

 

[mathuali]

What about the fact that an endurance race winner isn't always the car that crosses the finish line first? That's another thing that's unreal about GT endurance races

IT's not like that in the game, you don't have to cross the line first in all the endurance races. the 4hr one, comes off how many laps you have completed in the 4 hours

 

[MidianGTX]

I think there's also a line drawn between people who love gaming and those who simply love cars and motoring. If you go into the game with a gamers expectations, there's a lot missing that has been included/done better in other games. Go into it with a car lovers expectations and you're pretty much handed the world on a dish.

 

[Masterfirewall]

Yes because those are the only two logical options and the most creative in terms of insuring that products improve over time.

This is the same flawed argument as "If you don't like the way things are done in this country move to some other country!".



Look at it this way, if you ignore hyperbole and think rationally plenty of game companies release games (and sequals) that live up to expectations and have a much shorter list of flaws and (more importantly) less flaws that show a dramatic step backwards from previous iterations.

Also look at it this way, GT5 took this long to release badly flawed and not only didn't impliment a lot of peoples wishes but made clear steps backwards and is obivously still released unfinished. So are you defending the way thing DID happen and the flawed result over the way things might have happened that works for many other games and companies?

You come across like the kind of person who would decry "universal health care can't work for all these reasons, imagine it would be like this" yet ignores the fact that many countries have fully functional universal health care.



So simple it's flawed.



Would we get to split all the winnings and sponsor money like in real life too or do I get to keep it all myself?

I like you just because you are overly negative or overly critical of everything that comes into your life. Or at least it seems this way. Yes the game is flawed but so is everything else in life. If i am wrong in ANY other way please feel free to point it out to me. I like and enjoy GT5, you obviously don't, and if you do, it seems to me you don't. So go sell your ps3 get a 360 and go play forza

 

[Devedander]

I think there's also a line drawn between people who love gaming and those who simply love cars and motoring. If you go into the game with a gamers expectations, there's a lot missing that has been included/done better in other games. Go into it with a car lovers expectations and you're pretty much handed the world on a dish.

This has a lot of merrit... although I would say even from a gear heads point of view there is a lot left to be desired.

But it's true, in terms of tinkering, tweaking and tuning it's a different world than the "enjoyable game" world the game also puts a foot into.

 

[Devedander]

I like you just because you are overly negative or overly critical of everything that comes into your life. Or at least it seems this way. Yes the game is flawed but so is everything else in life. If i am wrong in ANY other way please feel free to point it out to me. I like and enjoy GT5, you obviously don't, and if you do, it seems to me you don't. So go sell your ps3 get a 360 and go play forza

Yes because everything is flawed in some way there is no need to account for how flawed something is or what areas it's flawed in. A steak dinner with slightly dry potatoes is flawed like every other meal and a steak dinner which is burnt through is also flawed like very other meal. That's as far as you need to take it "this is flawed but so is everything". Logic not your strong point?

Your mind reading powers must be low on juice, I am burning my way through GT5 as we speak and enjoying a good chunk of it... unfortunately that chunk is already wearing thin after just over a week and I can see it running out very soon. I am also constantly fighting annoying and unenjoyable flaws like a clunky and overly redudant menu system... the fact that I have to see the loading screen just to go between one menu and another let alone into some actual game portion is just ridiculous.

I have a 360 and Froza 2 and I don't play it much anymore becuase I don't have a good FFB wheel for it. If I did I would probably have spent a lot more time on it and bught FM3.

Nice try though!

 

[mathuali]

I have one thing to say to these people that dont enjoy the game or dont like it.
if you can do better, get ****ing programming and once you have completed it, let everyone have a go to see if ur any better

 

[Live_Fr0m_NY]

I wouldn't say GT5 is bad, but there a lot of things that make you wonder what exactly was PD doing all this time.

Don't... Just... Don't.

I guess the game must have programmed itself, right?
The premium cars' overwhelming amount of detail just appeared from thin air...
The thousands of photographs and measurements of each and every track and car...
The painstaking reality of taking this raw data and creating a track or car which is Reacts/behaves like it's real-world counterpart...
Creating a physics engine that is damn near PERFECT (Which is why we all play GT5, am i right?
All of this must have just happened, right??

Say what you will about your opinion of the game, but DO NOT discredit the IMMENSE amount of work went into this game... How could you NOT see what they were doing for the last 5 years?!? are you blind!!

 

[Masterfirewall]

Yes because everything is flawed in some way there is no need to account for how flawed something is or what areas it's flawed in. A steak dinner with slightly dry potatoes is flawed like every other meal and a steak dinner which is burnt through is also flawed like very other meal. That's as far as you need to take it "this is flawed but so is everything". Logic not your strong point?

Your mind reading powers must be low on juice, I am burning my way through GT5 as we speak and enjoying a good chunk of it... unfortunately that chunk is already wearing thin after just over a week and I can see it running out very soon. I am also constantly fighting annoying and unenjoyable flaws like a clunky and overly redudant menu system... the fact that I have to see the loading screen just to go between one menu and another let alone into some actual game portion is just ridiculous.

I have a 360 and Froza 2 and I don't play it much anymore becuase I don't have a good FFB wheel for it. If I did I would probably have spent a lot more time on it and bught FM3.

Nice try though!

Well I am glad you are enjoying the game, keep having fun.

 

[Exorcet]

Simple answer, DONT buy it then, buy another game

I wasn't implying anything about GT5 with that statement. Just making the general distinction. You're trying to justify your opinions by saying it's everyone's own fault that they're upset because they are ungrateful.

Certianly, there are things in this world to not be grateful for.

Now, on the subject of GT5, I honestly would never have even suspected some of the flaws in the game had I not bought it. As a long time player, how was I to even suspect the introduction of a leveling system?

And, your suggestion is a horrible one just based on the fact that the game can be changed. It does not have to be like this. I have every right to voice my opinion to PD to help them make a better game. I mean no offense to you, but IMO, people with your opinions tend to hurt strong products.

When a game does dissapoint, you don't toss it. You get it fixed. Patches, DLC, updates, whatever. That's the proper method.

 

[PzR Slim]

I have one thing to say to these people that dont enjoy the game or dont like it.
if you can do better, get ****ing programming and once you have completed it, let everyone have a go to see if ur any better

Why can't you put forward your arguments without resorting to swearing? Have we reached the limit of your ability to form an argument?

 

[BoneSawTX]

I think there's also a line drawn between people who love gaming and those who simply love cars and motoring. If you go into the game with a gamers expectations, there's a lot missing that has been included/done better in other games. Go into it with a car lovers expectations and you're pretty much handed the world on a dish.

i'm a car nut and always have been. Owned a custom truck years ago and now a Z/28 i take to the drag strip and street meets, GT5 is nice but sorry it's not the world on a dish.

 

[Jacob6875]

I think there's also a line drawn between people who love gaming and those who simply love cars and motoring. If you go into the game with a gamers expectations, there's a lot missing that has been included/done better in other games. Go into it with a car lovers expectations and you're pretty much handed the world on a dish.

So your OK with this game that took six years to make giving us LESS options than previous GT games and most other racing games???



Seriously not being able to upgrade brakes??? terrible

 

[Stephen220378]

IT's not like that in the game, you don't have to cross the line first in all the endurance races. the 4hr one, comes off how many laps you have completed in the 4 hours

Yes but considering real endurance race pit stop strategies don't apply in the game it becomes irrelevant

 

[mathuali]

I wasn't implying anything about GT5 with that statement. Just making the general distinction. You're trying to justify your opinions by saying it's everyone's own fault that they're upset because they are ungrateful.

Certianly, there are things in this world to not be grateful for.

Now, on the subject of GT5, I honestly would never have even suspected some of the flaws in the game had I not bought it. As a long time player, how was I to even suspect the introduction of a leveling system?

And, your suggestion is a horrible one just based on the fact that the game can be changed. It does not have to be like this. I have every right to voice my opinion to PD to help them make a better game. I mean no offense to you, but IMO, people with your opinions tend to hurt strong products.

When a game does dissapoint, you don't toss it. You get it fixed. Patches, DLC, updates, whatever. That's the proper method.

people that hurt the product the most is the ones that pick everything out that is rong all at the same time and say it was a disappointment, insead of saying, it is good, but could do with some minor or major updates, patched, structure. if you say it in a nice way the developers will lisern and make things right, instead of abandoning the game

 

[TheBigMan045]

As someone who isnt a fanboy and can see what gt5 really is...its a base package with DLC being the options list, you dont have to purchase all of it, its your choice extra tracks, extra cars, new features, there are all places for these

Btw the reason i say im not a fanboy, i own both a 360 and a ps3 with both forza 3 and gt5 both have pros and cons but are still enjoyable

 

[Devedander]

I have one thing to say to these people that dont enjoy the game or dont like it.
if you can do better, get ****ing programming and once you have completed it, let everyone have a go to see if ur any better

And again I bring up transformers 2:

Was it great or are you a top notch movie producer?


Because apparently if you can't make a top notch movie, you can't say Transformers 2 sucked right?

 

[Exorcet]

people that hurt the product the most is the ones that pick everything out that is rong all at the same time and say it was a disappointment, insead of saying, it is good, but could do with some minor or major updates, patched, structure. if you say it in a nice way the developers will lisern and make things right, instead of abandoning the game

Quite honestly, I have no idea if anyone is listening because of PD's policies regarding fan input. They don't have any.

If there was a way for me to communicate with them, under the assurance that they would read what I had to say, things would be different. Also, I've done what you've said. What has been done right has recieved my praise. That doesn't mean I have to hold back on condemning the bad stuff. If I'm harsh, it's because I really want PD to know when they've messed soemthing up.

It should be obvious that I care about the game if I'm on a forum asking for it to be fixed.