Imports

[exigeracer]

Errm, not being funny but, how can you know just by looking at photos if the cage in the clio would kill the driver. If anything it'd be pretty tough stuff, strengthening the car and reducing the risk of injury. (In a roll anyway, which is exactly what they're made for)

That's what they're intended for, not always what they're made for. Theoretically, no joint or attachment anywhere touching the cage* should be bolted together or to anything else. Check the elbows behind the driver's head.

*side bars, across the door, are sometimes removable by race regulations.

 

[bondy_1625]

right.
Sort of understand that.
Laymans terms?

 

[exigeracer]

You don't assemble a cage in a car, you weld every piece together, then you weld the cage to specific parts of the car's frame. Bolts and screws aren't strong enough in the event of a serious crash. Cages made for showcars cut corners by just using beefy-looking cage tubing. Look at the cage right behind the headrests, how they seem to be just bolted to the rest of the cage. The tubing right next to the steering wheel appears to be two pieces just joined together.

The exception I mentioned is some race rules make the side bar going across the door next to the driver removable, so that obviously can't be welded in place.

 

[Perfect Balance]

You don't assemble a cage in a car, you weld every piece together, then you weld the cage to specific parts of the car's frame. Bolts and screws aren't strong enough in the event of a serious crash. Cages made for showcars cut corners by just using beefy-looking cage tubing. Look at the cage right behind the headrests, how they seem to be just bolted to the rest of the cage. The tubing right next to the steering wheel appears to be two pieces just joined together.

The exception I mentioned is some race rules make the side bar going across the door next to the driver removable, so that obviously can't be welded in place.

Bolt in cages are still sometimes good enough, at least for something like SCCA, but they don't have any joints in the cage.


The cage in the Clio is joined together by movable joints, and it does nothing but act as a massive chassis stiffening device. Kind of like a cusco roll cage.

 

[bondy_1625]

Ahh, i see, thanks guys, much better explaination.
I can see now what you mean. 👍

 

[Revheadnz]

 

[V1P3R]

Why Nissan doesn't scrap the stupid Sentra and go back to just reproducing this gem is beyond me.

 

[Revheadnz]

Why Nissan doesn't scrap the stupid Sentra and go back to just reproducing this gem is beyond me.

Quoted for epic truth. I vote Nissan change name back to Datsun, buy all old moulds and just build 1600s and 240Zs. Then they would conquer the world car market.
Well maybe some squidlines too.

 

[V1P3R]

The rear wheel is broken on the SC300.

 

[ferrari_chris]

It's a Soarer.

 

[V1P3R]

Amerika = Lexus

 

[Jay]

Amerika = Lexus

Except Amerika != 1JZGTE

 

[bondy_1625]

Plus you can clearly see the Toyota badge on back....
so nyaah

That wheel is definately broke though...

 

[Dead_Poetic]

I hate it when people do their cars with that much camber. Its just unpractical and dumb. It doesnt even look cool.

 

[Jim Prower]

It's usually corrected when they raise the airbags up to drive it.

 

[stumpydino]

Why Nissan doesn't scrap the stupid Sentra and go back to just reproducing this gem is beyond me.

they really should, just go back to making old popular models updated underneath if necessary but looks the same, made of win

 

[eiriksmil]

I hate it when people do their cars with that much camber. Its just unpractical and dumb. It doesnt even look cool.

You don't always have a choice mate. He could use camber shims, it would help some. Besides, if you're slammed and have wide wheels/low offsets, negative camber usually means the car is driveable because the tyres clear the inner arch lips.

It's usually corrected when they raise the airbags up to drive it.

That's because of the multi-link yeah. You don't see that happening to for instance lowriders in the same way.

Plus you can clearly see the Toyota badge on back....
so nyaah

Yeah, badges are welded on and can't be changed.

 

[homeforsummer]

You don't assemble a cage in a car, you weld every piece together, then you weld the cage to specific parts of the car's frame. Bolts and screws aren't strong enough in the event of a serious crash. Cages made for showcars cut corners by just using beefy-looking cage tubing. Look at the cage right behind the headrests, how they seem to be just bolted to the rest of the cage. The tubing right next to the steering wheel appears to be two pieces just joined together.

The exception I mentioned is some race rules make the side bar going across the door next to the driver removable, so that obviously can't be welded in place.

Cages don't necessarily have to be welded. Most club racing and rallying accepts bolt-in cages. Welded cages are generally tougher and also better for increasing the shell's rigidity, but in race cars bolt-in is still better than no cage at all 👍

 

[exigeracer]

Cages don't necessarily have to be welded. Most club racing and rallying accepts bolt-in cages. Welded cages are generally tougher and also better for increasing the shell's rigidity, but in race cars bolt-in is still better than no cage at all 👍

But the cage itself shouldn't be assembled, it should be welded. How it attaches to the frame is another story...

 

[homeforsummer]

Are you sure? It would sort of defeat the purpose of having a bolt-in cage if the rest of it had to be welded. If someone's spent time welding all the other sections of tubing together why wouldn't they weld the legs to the floor too?

Unfortunately I can't find any evidence either way to suggest that bolt-in cages are either welded or bolted together so if you can find some I'd be interested to see it 👍 But off the top of my head, I'd assume bolt-ins are also bolted together.

 

[Keef]

But the cage itself shouldn't be assembled, it should be welded. How it attaches to the frame is another story...

Many bolt-in cages must be welded to the frame. They just have bolt-on cross bars and whatnot for ease of installation.

 

[Muzaffar]

Found this on the same forum that I found the Supelica. Amazing or downright questionable, its not something you see everyday...... 👍

http://www.autojunctions.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=180&Itemid=1

 

[Keef]

I gotta say, that's cool, but it could be very cool. It needs more holes. Besides that it looks like a mix of the two Super GT cars.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Oh my...

That's a staggering car! If there is one mix that works on the Supra body, it's this one!


I'd take it in a red-silver livery though, as seen in the Super GT 👍

 

[Jim Prower]

That's a different look. very superGT-ish.

 

[HACKr]

I'd drive that all day long.

 

[exigeracer]

It needs colour. The flat-black boat has sailed.

White wheels are here to stay though

 

[wrcsti]

Needs new exhaust to match the Super GT-ness.

 

[Time_Attack]

 

[High-Test]

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