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Question: can you get the average stage time compared to Lancer Evos and Imprezas? Preferably in Group N?
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The best Impreza, bar none. There are few cars that annoy me more when some plank decides to "improve" their car and it happens to be a 22B. Glad to see this pic is of a standard one.
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If the car is actually improved, I couldn't care less what type of car it was.
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I think the point being made is how much modifying a 22B devalues it in comparison to almost any other car, and how it just doesn't make sense.
Why would you want to change a rabidly-quick rally missile? Most attempts at improving it would probably end up having the opposite effect.
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Just out of curiosity, what's this based on? Have you got much seat time in an Evo or Sti?
I'm sure it could be true, but from personal experience, having only driven a standard NA MR2, calling an Evo a brick is sorta laughable.
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The extra weight is painfully obvious when on the limit. Plus the cars don't turn in nearly as aggressive or have the same all around response to throttle inputs. Don't confuse this with me saying they are slow. They most certainly are not slow. They just lack the dynamics.
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Gotta say...
Evo X > all other Evos
You made me have to do this.
Who gives a **** what it looks like. I'd like to think there is more to a car than how it looks. The fact is the 4g63 > whatever the fack they replaced it with. That 4b11 "world engine" has a tall order to fill if its going to live up to its predecessor.
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Well...... if you compared the new Evo X and the STi, you should know which one looks and performs the best.
Rather have that over the Evo X
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I would argue that the Evo turns in ridiculously aggressively, but, like I said, I haven't driven an MR2 in anger, so I wouldn't know how it compares. The throttle inputs bit I can fully agree with, not much steering with the right foot going on.
I wasn't suggesting that you were saying Evo's are slow, I was just wondering how much experience you had with both. More curiosity than doubt.
Speaking of which, just how tail happy are they? I realise that they will obviously be more oversteery than most other cars, but from what I hear, mid corner lift off=into the scenery. Any truth to that?
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Quite a bit of truth to lift off = massive oversteer. When you are pushing it, lifting off the gas will result in oversteer unless you adjusting steering with the throttle. I can quite easily get the car sideways simply accelerating around a turn and then just lifting off, at most any quick pace. Once you get the hang of it, makes for a great and fun drive, being able to get on the gas hard and easily work out understeer with small adjustments of the throttle. And with the weight back there, puts the power down effectively even with a bit of slip.
Now, the "rally rockets" I've driven have very fast turn in. Compared to normal street cars. Enough that it catches most people off guard, and even seemed super fast to me when I had been driving a Corolla around a lot. But, taking my old AW11 out for a spin after the Impreza would immediately make me realize everything I didn't like about the Impreza. The weight, the turbo, the front tires struggling for grip under power, the seating position. All the MR2s I've driven have given a feeling of you being directly connected to the road, where you think about going a direction and the car will follow, or being able to adjust the slip minutely with small adjustments on the gas. The AWD rocket felt less refined and more brutish... Fun and a rush, but I'd rather have the feeling of the MR2 on a windy stretch of road because it would feel less diluted.
Now, the "rally rockets" I've driven have very fast turn in. Compared to normal street cars. Enough that it catches most people off guard, and even seemed super fast to me when I had been driving a Corolla around a lot. But, taking my old AW11 out for a spin after the Impreza would immediately make me realize everything I didn't like about the Impreza. The weight, the turbo, the front tires struggling for grip under power, the seating position. All the MR2s I've driven have given a feeling of you being directly connected to the road, where you think about going a direction and the car will follow, or being able to adjust the slip minutely with small adjustments on the gas. The AWD rocket felt less refined and more brutish... Fun and a rush, but I'd rather have the feeling of the MR2 on a windy stretch of road because it would feel less diluted.
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The term "improved" is very subjective. Personally there are a great many different cars that I don't mind people modifying, but there are other cars that I hate to see someone messing around with. In this latter list I include the 22B and the 95 Impreza McRae edition (but no other Scooby, not too fussed), any Peugeot Rallye model, any low-production homologation or non-homologation special edition (Audi Quattros, BMW CSLs of all vintages etc), and iconic cars (original Golf GTIs, original Pug 205 GTIs, Renault Clio Williams, Ford Racing Puma, E30 BMW M3 and 318is etc) and exotics (most Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Paganis etc). There are many more that I can't remember right now.
This is partly why, but the resale value doesn't concern me particularly, more that with something rare and iconic I sort of hold the belief that it's worth preserving as original - you could go as far as saying that for a rarity you never really own it, you simply look after it for the next generation.
I'll refer you to what I wrote above. I'm not worried about resale really, my comments weren't geared towards that.
I guess there are certain types of cars that if I owned them, my main priority would be to bring them to absolutely mint condition, as if they'd just rolled off the production line, and not to modify them in any way. If people want to then that's their perogative, but it seems a shame to take something rare and original and then take it away from standard.
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I have driven an EVO 8. It wasn't exactly a bad car but I would never own one. It had the power, but it also had the lag and the weight. Plus some people get them confused with being accords. I've never had that problem 
I currently own both an AW11 and an SW20. They feel much more planted at the limit and yet at the same time you feel that it wants to come around. I think they are pretty easy to drive despite the rumors.
I currently own both an AW11 and an SW20. They feel much more planted at the limit and yet at the same time you feel that it wants to come around. I think they are pretty easy to drive despite the rumors.
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Haha being confused with an Accord would be a bonus for me! Sleeper=good, even if it would only be a sleeper to an idiot.
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The newer ones are more accord like. Not so much the older ones.
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If you bought a 22B you wouldn't worry about resale, as they are constantly appreciating in value, and seemingly even more so after the sad loss of Mr.McRae (The 22B was thought of as 'his' car).
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The 22B is certainly the closest in concept to the actual rally car of the time, and the most agressive with the wide arches. But when I think of "McRae's Impreza" I always think of the special edition released in 1995 to celebrate his World Rally Championship title - the Series McRae. In 1995 I was ten years old, and this car was the best car in the world, bar none for me!
And I see no harm in posting one of his actual cars here either:
In tarmac spec (gravel spec shown) again it must be one of the best looking rally cars ever, and defines an era.
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I knew someone would say this
I agree the McRae edition is the actual car built to celebrate his win, but after seeing the videos of Colin thrashing his 22B Prototype car on country lanes in Scotland, it seems to reflect his character more.
I'm so glad Imprezas are cheap here in the U.K, 2nd or 3rd track car will hopefully be a 1997 RA or similar, or maybe a cheap blobeye (which seem to be popping up more and more under £8k-£10k)
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Hey, at least you got GOOD Imprezas of that generation. All we got were 4WD, boxxer-powered Corolla equivalents.
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That said, there are plenty of cars the States got which we didn't. We had no Mustang so had to make do with the Capri...
