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[Azuremen]

The way an F1 car looks is irrelevant in what I just said.

Calling an F1 car slow = wrong, they are insanely fast
Calling the S201 rice = wrong, the car is all function

On the subject of F1 cars, it depends which season/decade the car is from. I prefer the older cars, the fussiness of modern cars clutters them up too much IMO.

Except you can tell an F1 car is functional at a glance, where as that S201 looks like it could plow snow. And execution was crap because it looks like they didn't even paint the kit.

On the subject of cross-manufacturer engine swaps, I agree with you Jim. Especially when the stock engine has a lot of potential but it still gets swapped out.

Except the LS1 weighs less, has more power, better gas mileage, and is more reliable. It is in every way a better setup than the 13B with the turbos.

 

[Jim Prower]

True, but isn't there something else? It's always Chevy this, Chevy that. Anyone tried a Ford? A Dodge? A Mazda V6?

EDIT: there are a few Ford Winsdor Swaps into FCs and SA22s. At least it's not a Cheby.

 

[Time_Attack]

The LSx despite employing pushrods is still a fairly good domestic V8.

That being said, 1UZ ftw.

 

[eiriksmil]

The way an F1 car looks is irrelevant in what I just said.

Calling an F1 car slow = wrong, they are insanely fast
Calling the S201 rice = wrong, the car is all function

On the subject of F1 cars, it depends which season/decade the car is from. I prefer the older cars, the fussiness of modern cars clutters them up too much IMO.

Yeah, they are more cluttered (riced out, you might as well say). You know why? Because the details are improved all the time, for functionality. And your comparison makes no sense what so ever. F1 = functional, but good looking. That Subaru, functional, but ugly as hell.

Touché.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Except you can tell an F1 car is functional at a glance, where as that S201 looks like it could plow snow. And execution was crap because it looks like they didn't even paint the kit.



Except the LS1 weighs less, has more power, better gas mileage, and is more reliable. It is in every way a better setup than the 13B with the turbos.

If you know about Imprezas, you know what you're looking at when you see an S201. The S201 was never meant to be a pretty car, so matching the paint, etc took a back seat during the design.

It is very much so an enthusiasts car (and has to be with the prices they reach when sold) and I didn't post it here because it was pretty to look at. I posted it because it's an import and many people don't even know it exists.

On the subject of the LS1 swap, I never said the 13B was a better powerplant, I simply said it has a lot of potential (porting, etc). A lot of cross-manufacturer swaps these days are done just because it's the 'in-thing' to do.


Back to Eirik! Firstly, I know the clutter is there for a reason (an F1 car is ALL purpose) My comparison compares two different areas. Not comparing the looks or speed of both the F1 car and the S201. Calling the S201 rice is like calling an F1 car slow... the complete opposite of the truth.
The looks of the S201 doesn't come into it anywhere...

 

[Azuremen]

Back to Eirik! Firstly, I know the clutter is there for a reason (an F1 car is ALL purpose) My comparison compares two different areas. Not comparing the looks or speed of both the F1 car and the S201. Calling the S201 rice is like calling an F1 car slow... the complete opposite of the truth.
The looks of the S201 doesn't come into it anywhere...

Except it does because it is a road car. It isn't all there for a reason. Rear doors don't have anything to do with going fast, and nothing bothering to match paint on a road car is just lazy. And I've seen those style of air dams on far too many Civics at this point.

Rice is anything that looks questionable. A highly functional GT wing on the back of a car, despite being functional, still looks like rice. And you can have a riced out 1000 HP Supra.

But that car looks like crap. Honestly makes me think of some ebayed kit that was put on and never painted.

As for cross manufacturer engine swaps, the LS1 into the FD just improves the car in every way. Sure, the 13B has some potential, but not nearly as much as the LS1 and not nearly as reliably.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Except it does because it is a road car. It isn't all there for a reason. Rear doors don't have anything to do with going fast, and nothing bothering to match paint on a road car is just lazy. And I've seen those style of air dams on far too many Civics at this point.

Rice is anything that looks questionable. A highly functional GT wing on the back of a car, despite being functional, still looks like rice. And you can have a riced out 1000 HP Supra.

But that car looks like crap. Honestly makes me think of some ebayed kit that was put on and never painted.

As for cross manufacturer engine swaps, the LS1 into the FD just improves the car in every way. Sure, the 13B has some potential, but not nearly as much as the LS1 and not nearly as reliably.

I think i'll just give up on trying to voice my own opinion.

In >>MY<< (Yes, all MINE!) comparison, i'm simply trying to point out how both statements are incorrect, nothing to do with comparing looks or speed.

Rice is something done to a car either that is totally stupid (8 exhausts on a Saxo, huge boxy unaerodynamic body kits, etc) or was put on the car to make others think it has more performance than it really does (Spoon stickers on a non-Spoon equipped Civic, etc).

The S201 may look strange, but it is the complete opposite to a riced car, 100% function (yes, even the front bumper is!). It was never intended to be used as an everyday road car when originally penned, and the fact it has mismatched paint or 4 doors means very little towards performance (Many time attack cars have 4 doors and are some of the fastest road-based cars in existance).

Something functional, such as a large GT wing on a track/fast road car, is NOT rice. Something that is 100% functional for performance CANNOT be labelled as rice, even if it looks stupid (Pikes Peak anyone?).

I don't care if the LS1 is better in every way... I have just explained that and given my reasoning for what I said...

 

[McLaren]

Rice is anything that looks questionable. A highly functional GT wing on the back of a car, despite being functional, still looks like rice. And you can have a riced out 1000 HP Supra.

No, rice used to be anything that was all show, no go, coined by the USDM guys. It was a straight-forward definition because regardless of what anyone's opinion was on the looks, it was still a slow vehicle. Rice was a car with fancy exterior mods without the power to back it up. Again, a straight forward definition.

1,000Hp Supras aren't rice. They never will be. They'll just be an ugly ass 1,000Hp Supra, but they won't be a ricer. People seem to forget this now-a-days until they hear, "You just got beat by a ricer".


To for someone to be a ricer, it's going to come down to whether or not they have the engine to back up what they're trying to make their car look like. Fast.

 

[Azuremen]

So you telling me a Supra with Lambo doors, that is trailered to events to just be hard parked, with 20 inch chrome wheels, vinyls of poor taste, and so on, isn't rice if it makes 1000HP? But would be if it is stock motor and all that?

Sorry, Rice has become just anything that has the appearance of being questionable. The term has grown up.

 

[exigeracer]

Rice is anything that looks questionable. A highly functional GT wing on the back of a car, despite being functional, still looks like rice. And you can have a riced out 1000 HP Supra.

But that car looks like crap. Honestly makes me think of some ebayed kit that was put on and never painted.

The car was from the factory like that, it had two tone paint, not primer, on it from the factory, which Subaru has been mysteriously trying for over a decade. He was showing the S20x series from begging to end in factory form, ugliness or not. You had no idea that it was even an OEM setup, isn't that worth posting in itself?

As far as the kit itself, I'm fairly sure they were going for a hill climb look, and would undoubtedly look better with a different choices in the two-tone department.

 

[Duke]

I somewhat agree with Azureman's point. Wing on a street car = rice, no matter how much engine you have to "back it up". Functional wing on a track car = not rice, even if it is the same variety favored by ricers who never track their car.

That hypothetical trailer queen Supra is 100% rice, no matter what the dyno sheets say.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

So you telling me a Supra with Lambo doors, that is trailered to events to just be hard parked, with 20 inch chrome wheels, vinyls of poor taste, and so on, isn't rice if it makes 1000HP? But would be if it is stock motor and all that?

Sorry, Rice has become just anything that has the appearance of being questionable. The term has grown up.

NO (Not meaning to bash your personal opinion, but 'rice' is an important automotive enthusiast term). Rice is all show, no go. However, if you don't like something functional (a large GT wing on a street-driven Porsche for example) it's not rice, just not to your personal taste. Got it?

The 1000hp Supra trailer-queen would go under my definition of show car. IMO you can't say whether the whole car is rice, or not because the power (the bite to back up its bark) is there, but the visuals and other accessories (huge rims, lambo doors, possible masses of I.C.E) are clearly rice (detrimental to performance).

 

[Azuremen]

NO. Rice is all show, no go. However, if you don't like something ( a large GT wing on a Porsche for example, it's not rice, just not to your personal taste. Got it?

I don't think you got it.

That is undeniably rice, even if it was making claimed sub 10 second passes on the 1/4 mile.

And your F1 attempt at justification still makes no sense. The whole thing is built to be fast, not some economy road car modified to be a bit faster.

 

[eiriksmil]

Fashion is a weird thing.. The hottest car in the movies about five years ago now goes down for some as 'riced out'. Maybe one should define rice.. Or not use it at all..

I think i'll just give up on trying to voice my own opinion.

Voicing your own opinion is something different than stating your opinions as facts:

"The S201 may look strange, but it is the complete opposite to a riced car, 100% function (yes, even the front bumper is!)."

"NO. Rice is all show, no go. However, if you don't like something ( a large GT wing on a Porsche for example, it's not rice, just not to your personal taste. Got it?"

Chill out bro

 

[McLaren]

So you telling me a Supra with Lambo doors, that is trailered to events to just be hard parked, with 20 inch chrome wheels, vinyls of poor taste, and so on, isn't rice if it makes 1000HP? But would be if it is stock motor and all that?

Sorry, Rice has become just anything that has the appearance of being questionable. The term has grown up.

I don't consider it rice, I consider it an ugly ass car. However, the probability of us knowing which Supra is a trailer queen or not is very small. You're just throwing out a hypothetical situation. There may be a Supra out there like that, but is taken to the track.

Thankfully, though, Supra owners are usually smart or dumb. Any pushing 1,000Hp normally has a bone stock-looking or tastefully modified Supra. Any other ones are nothing but a stock motor.


The problem with your term of the word rice is that it all comes down to opinions, and thus, the term loses its meaning b/c, let's face it, some people have some crappy judgment when it comes to calling things what they're not.

I somewhat agree with Azureman's point. Wing on a street car = rice, no matter how much engine you have to "back it up". Functional wing on a track car = not rice, even if it is the same variety favored by ricers who never track their car.

That hypothetical trailer queen Supra is 100% rice, no matter what the dyno sheets say.

See, this would just be you jumping to conclusions.

If you see a functional wing on somebody's Supra driving down the streets, how do you know for sure the owner isn't tracking it? How are you so sure he didn't add that to help his car on the track? The thing about track cars is that a lot of people don't trailer them home, they drive them home. I've seen my fair share of Coopers & Integras with some ugly spoilers at the track, & despite so, they're still functional pieces of equipment.


Rice has never been a definition based on solely on looks alone. It has always been determined by the engine. What you're seeing when it has the power is an ugly POS.

 

[eiriksmil]

Thankfully, though, Supra owners are usually smart or dumb. Any pushing 1,000Hp normally has a bone stock-looking or tastefully modified Supra. Any other ones are nothing but a stock motor.

I know I'm taking this out of context, sorry if this is your exact point, but;
I'd disagree to that. Most car people throwing money at a car, does it in every league. I've seen all sorts of cars packing power and the works when it comes to exterior mods. And I've seen owners stancing their cars instead of making them go fast.. It depends on who the owner is, the function of the car (show car, track car, daily) and when it was built. That's my experience after what I've seen over the years.
I gotta agree on the track car on the road thing. If you're not afraid to drive your car on the track and it's street legal, you should have the balls to drive it on the street. There's a Norwegian Volvo 360, the guy drifts it in the weekends and dailies it the rest

 

[nk4e]

Rice has never been a definition based on solely on looks alone. It has always been determined by the engine. What you're seeing when it has the power is an ugly POS.

I use this equation
Cheap Parts = Cheap Power
Though if you see a part that definitely does not belong on a car and wonder how they got it on there. Then that is rice. Like the Mustang GTR

real:

but Rice is a personal matter, if you could whip up cheap aftermarket parts to make a car look good. More prop to you. But it goes to the personal question, what are you going to do with the car?

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

I don't think you got it.

That is undeniably rice, even if it was making claimed sub 10 second passes on the 1/4 mile.

And your F1 attempt at justification still makes no sense. The whole thing is built to be fast, not some economy road car modified to be a bit faster.

Firstly, apologies to you for editing my post after you'd quoted me

The S201 isn't an economy road car tweaked to go a little faster... I don't consider any Impreza (except non-turbo'd) to be an economy car (May be different in the U.S). Anyway, the S201 is an Impreza tweaked to go A LOT faster (mostly around tight bends).

Now, I look at that Supra and pick it apart in my head.

It's claimed to be very quick in a straight line, which is cool. However, the paintwork art is not to my taste (we all like different things, diversity creates dimension) and the bodykit and wing don't appear to be 100% performance orientated. I wouldn't call it 100% rice as it has redeeming features.

Eirik, i'm not stating my own opinion as fact, because the term 'rice' is a widely known and used term that simply means 'all show, no go' which is what i'm trying to point out (trying to explain the definition of the term to avoid all the confusion in this thread)

I'm chilled bro, i'm chilled 👍

EDIT: Eirik brings up a great point in his reply. The owner of the car decides what they want from their car.
Example: Stanced and stretched cars, not really performanced orientated, but a lot look fantastic so can't be labelled as rice IMO.

 

[Nicksfix]

There may be a Supra out there like that, but is taken to the track.

Like this one here : http://www.croydons.co.nz/the5thdimension/option.asp?pageid=3

I would not call this one RICE. It's faster than some race cars I know of here in America : 9.598-second ET @ 140.33mph

 

[Azuremen]

The problem is, in serious automotive circles that are competive, like Autocross and what not, we tend to call anything that is just over the top "Rice," regardless if it is fast or not. A huge GT spoiler, while far more functional than a small OEM style spoiler, will look very out of place on a street car, though makes sense if you also track it. A lot of people build up semi fast cars, put some aero work on them, some stickers, and yeah, it is quick now, but they never actually drive it that way. Just a show car with goodies on the engine for more show effect.

That MR-S, while running a functional widebody kit, with a working GT wing and some decent power (over 200 at the wheels, good for mid 12 seconds) is still ricey, despite looking half decent and having go.

 

[nk4e]

What do you think of this?

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

The problem is, in serious automotive circles that are competive, like Autocross and what not, we tend to call anything that is just over the top "Rice," regardless if it is fast or not. A huge GT spoiler, while far more functional than a small OEM style spoiler, will look very out of place on a street car, though makes sense if you also track it. A lot of people build up semi fast cars, put some aero work on them, some stickers, and yeah, it is quick now, but they never actually drive it that way. Just a show car with goodies on the engine for more show effect.

That MR-S, while running a functional widebody kit, with a working GT wing and some decent power (over 200 at the wheels, good for mid 12 seconds) is still ricey, despite looking half decent and having go.

Keeping up with this thread is a real workout!

I quite like that MR-S, there are parts of it I dislike a little bit (the wing looks a little awkward) but nothing on it is really rice IMO, so to speak.

EDIT: nk4e, I wouldn't just step up and say that S2K is rice, but it's not to my taste.

 

[Azuremen]

At the moment, looks ricey. Front pic would help more too, though I think I see Z3 style vents in the fenders, and a far more functional looking spoiler could be found.

I quite like that MR-S, there are parts of it I dislike a little bit (the wing looks a little awkward) but nothing on it is really rice IMO, so to speak.

I quite like it as well, but it has ricer feelings in it. The stickers, even if they are all legitimate parts, and so on. It is trying to advertise far too much that it is fast. The spoiler is better than many options, and I'll likely end up with one myself of that style, but it is still looks out of place on a car that drives on the street. But if I just saw it on the street, I'd be like "EHhhhhh, ricey but not horribly done"

 

[nk4e]

Imakuni, that might be a Miata

It seems that they added a few more interests into the miata than I imagine.

 

[boiltheocean]

Modern Impreza goodness!

That looks like a nice track machine. Love those wheels. They just work with the look so much more than gold or white rims.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Imakuni, that might be a Miata

It seems that they added a few more interests into the miata than I imagine.

In that case I like it even less!

SSR, I agree, the Hawkeyes especially do a great job of looking aggressive when set up for the track. Some great examples on various Impreza forums.

 

[Leonidae]

just for fun, FnF Supra specs.. and prices.

Engine/Performance

$7200 Turbonetics T-66 ball bearing turbo, Q-trim compressor, built by Performance Factory
$550 Turbonetics Delta II Wastegate
$1800 RPS Stainless steel/HTC coated custom header
$1275 100 HP Nitrous Oxide System, by NOS
$350 AEBS TurbDownpipe
$1590 Greddy front mount intercooler
$795 Greddy Power Extreme exhaust system
$450 Greddy Pro-Fec B Boost Controller
$320 Greddy Power Pulleys
$795 Greddy Oil Cooler Kit
$350 Greddy TurbTimer
$520 Greddy Boost, EGT, Oil Pressure and Water Temp gauges
$300 Greddy Airinx Intake
$400 Greddy steering wheel-mounted boost remote control device
$390 Greddy Cam Gears
$425 APEXi Blowoff valve
$1100 HKS Vein Pressure Converter
$550 HKS Graphic Control Computer
$440 HKS Injector Pulse Monitor
$1110 G-Force Engineering Racing ROM
$150 Hose Techniques Silicone hose kit
$650 Clutchmasters Stage III Racing Clutch
$500 Clutchmasters 11 lb. Billet Flywheel
$350 Powerhouse Racing ported/polished throttle body (traction control delete)
$2100 Powerhouse Racing cylinder head work (port/polish)
$750 Fluidyne aluminum radiator
$350 Flex-a-Lite dual electric fan kit
$3500 Chrome-plated valve cover, intake manifold, throttle body, turbocharger, turbo heat shield, auxiliary heat shield, fuse cover, relay cover, cruise control cover, ignition module cover and all brackets

Styling

$6200 Lamborghini DiablCandy Pearl Orange Paint, by Quigley’s in Lake Forest, Ca.
$1100 Bomex Front spoiler
$950 Bomex side/rear skirts
$1900 TRD Composite Hood
$250 1997 front turn signal updates
$1100 1997 headlight updates
$250 Underhood neon lighting system
$1100 HID Xenon gas headlight conversion
$550 APR Aluminum bi-plane rear wing
$1200 Custom Troy Lee Graphics by Modern Image 714 375 0591

Tires

$2200 Yokohama AVS S1 285/30 and 255/35 R19

Wheels

$4100 Dazz/Racing Hart M5 Tuners, 19 incher’s

Brakes

$3900 Stillen/AP Racing 14” front racing brakes, 6 piston caliper, w/slotted/drilled rotors

Transmission

$6200 Gertrag Six-Speed gearbox with Stillway sequential adapter

Suspension

$1400 Bilstein/Eibach coil-over suspension
$1100 Stillen sway bars
$450 CuscFront strut tower bar
$500 Energy Suspension urethane bushings all around

Interior

$850 Stitchcraft Viper blue suede upholstery
$1000 Brand NEW!! Sparc“Pista” Racing seats (15lbs.), custom matching fabric w/harness holes
$300 Carbon-fiber dashtrim by Trimmasters
$250 AutMeter 5” Monster Tach
$150 AutMeter “NOS ON” and “LOW OIL” warning lights
$150 G-Tech PrAccelerometer
$1500 MFS Custom built roll cage, chromed
$350 SparcSteering Wheel
$400 SparcHarnesses

In Car Electronics

$1900 Clarion VRX8271 in dash TV/CD Changer controller, remote controlled
$650 Clarion VMA6481 6” wide screen 2nd TV monitor in passenger airbag
$650 Clarion VMA9181 5.5” 3rd TV monitor in trunk area
$550 Clarion DSP9300 Digital Sound Processor, parametric EQ/Surround sound
$450 Clarion CDC 635 CD Changer
$400 Clarion SRS 1691 6 1” separates
$450 Image Dynamics 6” separates
$500 2 Image Dynamics 12” woofers
$1500 2 Phaze AudiTD1500 Tube Driver amplifiers
$1500 1 Phaze AudiTD475 Tube Driver amplifier
$150 Sony Playstation 1
$500 Sony Playstation 2/DVD
$700 Custom built electric-blue neon tubes for sound system back-lighting
$1100 Minolta 6450 VHS-C Camcorder
$8000 System design and fabrication by: AudiOptions, Torrance, Ca 310-763-6008

Performance Statistics

544 Horsepower @ 6,800 rpms
Maximum engine speed: 7,770 rpms
0-60 in 4.3 seconds
0-100 in 9.2 seconds
1/4 mile in 12.2 seconds at 115 mph
Top speed: 185 mph
Skidpad: 0.98 g’s
Slalom time: 65 mph
Curb weight: 3,601 lbs

There you go, specs of FnF Slowpra. I've bolded and italiced the parts that count as showcar or ricer.

 

[McLaren]

So 2 "rice" parts then, by your definition, because audio work has nothing to do with ricers.

 

[Perfect Balance]

I usually judge the owner of the car, not the driver.

Since the "JDM" explosion, you have plenty of clean looking cars driving around with idiots behind the wheel that know nothing about driving and vehicle dynamics. They just know the names of "JDM" parts.

They are ricers to me. The cars themselves aren't rice, but they are.

 

[nk4e]

I usually judge the owner of the car, not the driver.

Since the "JDM" explosion, you have plenty of clean looking cars driving around with idiots behind the wheel that know nothing about driving and vehicle dynamics. They just know the names of "JDM" parts.

They are ricers to me. The cars themselves aren't rice, but they are.

Do you consider me as Rice? because all I have is a Short ram in my 240.