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I'd rather see a StanceWork'ed car over something that looks like nothing was done to it or some that's JDM'ed. I don't know I think StanceWork/Hellaflush is the best thing to come to the scene in a long time. It'll be a shame when it gets played out.

hell no, hellaflush is terrible, way too low + stretched tires.

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And here is the build thread on it, but as it can be expect it's all in Russian. I have no idea what they are saying, but if you are somehow offended by Russian language then I suggest avoiding the site. There are picture though.
http://benzclub.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=6524

damn, Dual Desert Eagles and a AR.. so crazy it's awesome.

Would have liked to see a AK and a pair of makarov's instead though.
 
I'd rather see a StanceWork'ed car over something that looks like nothing was done to it or some that's JDM'ed. I don't know I think StanceWork/Hellaflush is the best thing to come to the scene in a long time. It'll be a shame when it gets played out.

I disagree. I'd much rather see a car designed for performance with modifications that can be used, as opposed to some show piece. There are some perfect chassis for the whole low offset and small tire fashion, though.

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Eh different strokes. I love the whole StanceWork's thing and if I lived in a state that maintained it roads and didn't snow 5 months out of the year I'd probably do something along the lines of that to my car.
 
StanceWork'ed car over something that looks like nothing was done to it or some that's JDM'ed.
I think what you have in mind is the typical Honda scene here in the U.S. (well, before they jumped on the flush bandwagon), which isn't very "JDM" in the first place, as Japanese people in the car scene were never all hyped about leaving their cars stock. The Nissan crowd has been doing flush since at least the late 90's, so saying that you prefer a stanced car to a "jdm'ed" one is kind of incorrect, as it was influenced by it a lot. Not to mention the VIP movement in Japan. Stanced/Flush Japanese cars are very JDM, just as much as the grip/race car end of the spectrum.


And it's just stanced/flush. Stanceworks and Hellaflush are just blogs that feature such cars. I know that you're aware of this, it's just kind of bugs me. These "stanced" cars existed before either of them came into the picture, and to deem them "stancework'ed" now is kind of stupid, especially since that's where stanceworks got it's name in the first place.
 
Sometimes I like it... sometimes, I think it's overdone.

It's just not a great way to set up a vehicle that has to... y'know... drive on an actual street. No suspension travel... no clearance... nothing.

But then, it's a matter of taste, as anything cosmetic is.
 
I think i might go insane if i hear another person say that all of these cars aren't functional because they're so low and wide.
Here is a video of a low and very functional BMW.
http://www.awol.tv/episodes/1?episode=89

and i know everyone is a fan of these cars (me included)
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And there are a ton more slammed cars that are driven daily and tracked regularly, i'm too lazy to post all of them.
 
Here is a video of a low and very functional BMW.
I left the second comment down on that video a while back.

Slammed cars don't handle bad because of the dampers. Most decent coilovers will allow to adjust the height separate from the actual suspension travel, so they work the same regardless of the height of the vehicle. The reason the cars tend to handle bad after being slammed is because the suspension geometry is screwed. Which it still is on that car in the video.

There wasn't anything presented in the video to support that the car was still capable of taking corners quickly. The driving in the video wasn't any faster than normal cruising speed, so the only difference between that car and a typical slammed car is assuming that the KW dampers on the car are valved properly. It rides well, apparently, which is typical of a good damper, and that's pretty much it.

Now that's not to say that there isn't any really low cars out there than can still get the job done well, there's plenty of ways to correct geometry on low cars, but that one isn't one of them.
 
I think i might go insane if i hear another person say that all of these cars aren't functional because they're so low and wide.

It's not because they're wide or low. It's because that most of them don't have enough wheel travel and have compromised their suspension geometries, as PB has stated.

Ultra-low is not a huge handicap for a car on R-Comps with an incredibly stiff suspension on a dry racetrack with no lumps or bumps thicker than a sanitary napkin, but it's crud in the real-world or if you've got a slightly-modified street car and need to do some kerb-hopping to maximize the amount of track you can use. I've seen guys go off the track backwards simply because their cars were too low and soft for kerb-hopping.

Race cars that are really low have altered suspension geometries, with many points relocated from their stock positions so that the suspension works properly. Most street cars with nothing more than coilovers don't.

And when they're hellaflush... where do the wheels go over a bump? Grind-grind-grind? Or grind-grind-pop?

When you've got fat wheels and wide arches, the arches are there to clear the wheels... as in this:
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or this:
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or this:
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(not a wide-fendered car, but you see what I mean)

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Just because you can run an ultra-low, hellaflush car on the racetrack with virtually no suspension travel doesn't mean it's the ideal solution. And now that more and more high-level teams are entering drift and time attack events, it seems that the trend is starting to tail off a bit.
 
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I think i might go insane if i hear another person say that all of these cars aren't functional because they're so low and wide.


It's not because they're wide or low. It's because that most of them don't have enough wheel travel and have compromised their suspension geometries, as PB has stated.

Ultra-low is not a huge handicap for a car on R-Comps with an incredibly stiff suspension on a dry racetrack with no lumps or bumps thicker than a sanitary napkin, but it's crud in the real-world or if you've got a slightly-modified street car and need to do some kerb-hopping to maximize the amount of track you can use. I've seen guys go off the track backwards simply because their cars were too low and soft for kerb-hopping.

Race cars that are really low have altered suspension geometries, with many points relocated from their stock positions so that the suspension works properly. Most street cars with nothing more than coilovers don't.

And when they're hellaflush... where do the wheels go over a bump? Grind-grind-grind? Or grind-grind-pop?

When you've got fat wheels and wide arches, the arches are there to clear the wheels.

Just because you can run an ultra-low, hellaflush car on the racetrack with virtually no suspension travel doesn't mean it's the ideal solution. And now that more and more high-level teams are entering drift and time attack events, it seems that the trend is starting to tail off a bit.


^^^ This. Very well said. Thank you.
 
That being said... I do find cars with filled wheelarches and low ride heights sexy... but the moment the rims start poking two inches out of the arches, it starts to look kind of silly. :D
 
That being said... I do find cars with filled wheelarches and low ride heights sexy... but the moment the rims start poking two inches out of the arches, it starts to look kind of silly. :D

^^^ This is exactly how I feel as well... I love the low look, but when the rims are outside the bodyline and the tyres are inside (ie; big stretch) it does 'just look silly' 👍
 
I believe the term is "Gangster Fail".

Not really. Real gangsters wouldn't flaunt their arms on display like that (additionally, they also drive e34 beaters), so I'd say that it would be more of a gangster fail if there were real guns on a velour rack in their trunk. This is clearly a parody.
 
My experience of Moscow is the rich are almost always in the latest model S class Merc, black paint with dark tints, AMG body styling and big wheels. The really rich ones have a black M class or G Wagen behind for the body guards. Might sound a bit of cliche, but the streets of Moscow are just full of them!
 

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Always loved R19 16-valvers. They look cool (phase 2 models especially, as below), handle very well, they're built well, and they gave the hot hatch world one of the great engines, that used in the Clio Williams (albeit bored out and with lower compression).

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Almost impossible to find them in that condition now though :(
 
Ken Block's personal Focus RS. What makes him so special that he gets to drive a non-US legal car around on the streets? I want one. :(

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010/11/01/car-spotlight-gt-gt-ken-block-s-grocery-getter.aspx

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Awesome! There are 4 RS'es in tha hood here. Pretty cool car.. Also spotted the RS500 today in matte black, AWESOME!
And a tuned one from 'Team RS Austria', wich my mate made vid of on the highway..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObTdN2N7Kw0
 
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I drove this car through the winter last year, my car was in the garage. But, I had a really bad experience with this car. First day, no problems, second day, didn't want to start for a long time, when it finally started, I turned on the lights, pffeeww car dead. Everything. Restarted the car, everything worked, except the lights. Every light, front, rear, inside, all dead. Dash lights dead, really everything..
 
Ooh yes, yes please.

Although I'd say that the 2.5 16 Evo was a full 2 notches above the street 325is. The 2.5 16 was aimed at the standard M3, and MB released the Evo after BMW put out theirs.
 
They're not center locking wheels, it's just a center cap that gives the effect of it.

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And apparently they've been re-drilled to fit the 4-lug hubs because he couldn't spring for a conversion? Or is that pattern factory on those Impuls?
 
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