IndyCar S1 v2.0 Info/Discussion Thread

[DrifterJoe]

One thing to change in the OP: Toscana does not have weather, so it'll be a normal 100 mile race.

Had any luck making another track?

As for deciding whether to go for 150 or 200 miles on tracks with weather, I'll go right in the middle at 175 miles. <_<

Most of our testing will probably be in different stages of wet conditions. I don't know if anyone here actually has wet race experience (with grip reduction set to real) other than me. (I was in a RM endurance series a while back). I used to go by laptimes and the feel of the car, but now that we have the indicator tell us how wet the track is in %, I might just go by that.


EDIT: Added the amount of laps below:

Circuit De Spa-Francorchamps (with optional weather) - 150 or 200 miles (34 or 46 laps)
Tokyo R246 (forward or reverse) - 100 miles (31 laps)
Indianapolis Motor Speedway - 200 miles (80 laps)
High Speed Ring (with optional weather) - 150 or 200 miles (60 or 80 laps)
Laguna Seca Raceway - 100 miles (45 laps)
Daytona International Speedway - 200 miles (80 laps)
Daytona Road Course - 100 miles (28 laps)
Suzuka Circuit (with optional weather) - 150 or 200 miles (42 or 55 laps)
Feyhill Circuit (with optional weather + time change) - 150 or 200 miles (28 or 37 laps)
A currently undecided Toscana track (with optional time change) - 100 miles (?? laps)
Indianapolis Motor Speedway - 300 miles (120 laps)

 

[cgr-10]

I'm gonna leave the track design to you Joe, I just can't get it right. On the condition that you think of a slightly more imaginative circuit name

Yep the wet weather testing should be interesting, any suggestions for weather settings?

 

[DrifterJoe]

I'm gonna leave the track design to you Joe, I just can't get it right. On the condition that you think of a slightly more imaginative circuit name

Yep the wet weather testing should be interesting, any suggestions for weather settings?

I'm not very good at coming up with track names, so I'll take suggestions from everyone. Do you want that final corner widened a little more for safer 2 wide racing through it, or is it fine how it is?

I'd like the weather changeability turned all the way up to 10, because then it will be pretty much impossible to predict what the weather will do next, and for how long (nevermind, see my settings below). As for everything else to do with weather, maybe have each weather race start in different conditions to add some variety to it. Weather settings will have to be applied and then left alone when the room is reset before qualifying.

We have 4 tracks with weather, so maybe have the following 4 settings (one for each track. Up to you which track gets which settings, though my recommendations are listed):

Setting 1 (High Speed Ring):
Weather at race start - 0%
Surface water at race start - 0%
Weather changeability - 4

Setting 2 (Feyhill Circuit):
Weather at race start - 25%
Surface water at race start - 20%
Weather changeability - 6

Setting 3 (Suzuka Circuit):
Weather at race start - 50%
Surface water at race start - 40%
Weather changeability - 8

Setting 4 (Circuit De Spa-Francorchamps):
Weather at race start - 75%
Surface water at race start - 60%
Weather changeability - 10

I would've gone for 1,4,7,10 with weather changeability, but there would've been a very high chance for High Speed Ring being a dry race.

 

[cgr-10]

Well mine was 'Circuito di Firenze' which is Italian for Circuit of Florence, Florence is in Tuscany (Toscana) Italy 👍 The last corner is fine.

I'll keep these weather settings noted down on my laptop, do you think changeability should be set to 0 for quali?

 

[DrifterJoe]

Well mine was 'Circuito di Firenze' which is Italian for Circuit of Florence, Florence is in Tuscany (Toscana) Italy 👍 The last corner is fine.

I'll keep these weather settings noted down on my laptop, do you think changeability should be set to 0 for quali?

Changing the changeability setting will reset the room, if I remember right. So it may erase qualifying times if you change it after we qualify (I don't know if it does because I've never been in an online room where it was changed after qualifying).

How about "Autodromo di Toscana"?

EDIT: Will you use the weather settings with the tracks I recommended them for?

 

[cgr-10]

We'll just have to leave it then. And yeah that sounds great mate 👍

I'll use the settings but may swap them around to give less chance of rain at Spa for example and more at HSR. All this will be decided nearer the time.

 

[DrifterJoe]

I set Spa how it is due to it's reputation with weather IRL, though since Feyhill is located in the same area (Eifel mountains), I should have maybe increased the weather there a bit, possibly swapping it with Suzuka. I set High Speed Ring how it is because I imagine it'd be very hard to control the car on soaked banked corners.

Also, see my edit above (I changed it while you were posting).

Autodromo di Toscana is up for download (only change from before is the name), and I changed my mind about the 150 or 200 miles thing, 200 gets my vote.

 

[cgr-10]

I'll probably keep them like that then, maybe swap Suzuka as you say, Japan is generally warmer than Germany. 200 sounds good to be honest, on weekends it should be fine for most people. Thanks mate 👍

 

[DrifterJoe]

I'll probably keep them like that then, maybe swap Suzuka as you say, Japan is generally warmer than Germany. 200 sounds good to be honest, on weekends it should be fine for most people. Thanks mate 👍

...and once again I managed to edit my post while you were posting. Go me!

I'll change them to 200 miles in that edit. What do you think of the race order I came up with?

Actually I'll just move everything into this post, so wait a little before replying. <____<


Will we use our oval or road course tyre rules for High Speed Ring?

Will we still have to use both types of comfort tyre if we use inters/wets in a wet race?

I'm guessing we'd have the US tracks spaced out in the calendar, something like this (I'll count High Speed Ring as a US type track to help with spacing):

Indianapolis Motor Speedway - 200 miles (80 laps)
Circuit De Spa-Francorchamps (Weather at race start - 75%. Surface water at race start - 60%. Weather changeability - 10) - 200 miles (46 laps)
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca - 100 miles (45 laps)
Autodromo di Toscana (with optional time change) - 100 miles (34 laps)
High Speed Ring (Weather at race start - 0%. Surface water at race start - 0%. Weather changeability - 4) - 200 miles (80 laps)
Tokyo R246 (forward or reverse) - 100 miles (31 laps)
Daytona International Speedway - 200 miles (80 laps)
Feyhill Circuit (Weather at race start - 50%. Surface water at race start - 40%. Weather changeability - 8. + time change) - 200 miles (37 laps)
Daytona Road Course - 100 miles (28 laps)
Suzuka Circuit (Weather at race start - 25%. Surface water at race start - 20%. Weather changeability - 6) - 200 miles (55 laps)
Indianapolis Motor Speedway - 300 miles (120 laps)

EDIT: Finished adding it all, and swapped the weather for Feyhill and Suzuka.

The final thing for me to sort out is the transmission settings for High Speed Ring, Feyhill, and Toscana.

I had to hunt for the Suzuka transmission settings as they are no longer in the OP of the previous thread. I will now add all our current transmission settings to this post, leaving gaps for the new tracks I've not worked on yet.

Transmission settings (don't change max speed, final gear, or 7th gear. Do what you like with gears 1 to 6):

650BHP and 725KG tracks:
Suzuka: Reset to default, set max speed at the bottom right to 199mph, put final gear at 4.270, and 7th should be at 1.603 .
Spa: Reset to default, set max speed at the bottom right to 205mph.
Daytona Road, Indy Road, and Tokyo R246: Reset to default, then put max speed at the bottom right to 211 mph, then put final gear to 4.250, and 7th gear should be at 1.509 .
Laguna Seca: reset to default, then put max speed at the bottom right to 180 mph, then put final gear at 4.200, and 7th gear should be at 1.769 .
High Speed Ring: Untested
Feyhill Circuit: Untested
Autodromo di Toscana: Untested

848BHP and 690KG:
Indy Oval: Reset transmission to default, then set the max speed at the bottom to 236, then put your final gear at 4.212, and 7th gear at 1.366 .

Daytona Oval: Awaiting new weight regulation.

 

[cgr-10]

I've updated the OP, thanks for putting all of this together 👍 The order is good, although I'm not putting it down as certain and we'll be using road settings for HSR as we would with the Daytona Roval.

I'll probably change the rule to 'You have to use two tyre compounds during a race, out of Comfort Hards, Comfort Mediums, Intermediates or Wets'.

 

[DrifterJoe]

I'll try and do the transmission settings for HSR, Feyhill, and Toscana tonight at some point. Will you be copying over some of the stuff from the OP of the previous thread? (such as starts, restarts, cautions, pace car etc)

Also will the rest of the tyre rule remain the same (minimum of 2 laps on each compound for road courses)?

 

[cgr-10]

Yes, they'll all stay the same and be copied over ASAP 👍

EDIT: I probably won't get much testing or editing the rulebook done this week. Should be at Berty's FGTC Indy exhibition on Wednesday, Vintage NASCAR on Friday, Karts on Saturday and Clean Race Club enduro on Sunday morning. Phew! Can't wait

 

[Cowboys965]

I could be a reserve for ovals for the Indy league maybe

 

[cgr-10]

That'd be absolutely fine. But we haven't set a day yet mate, it might be on a Saturday night even, we're not decided 👍

 

[Cowboys965]

If it were to be Saturday I could make it earlier for you guys considering you guys have to race at midnight unless other people can't.

 

[berty1979]

A note from top IZOD safety car driver Berty:

If you guys are looking to kick the asses of some F1 style drivers on an oval head over to the FGTC thread and check out our Indy exhibition race this wednesday. Its for fun but will be clean and professionally run, to enter you must promise to send the winner some prizes. It will help to fill the gap until your real S1 starts
Read the note in the OP and register your interest also note the settings as they are not indyspec.
I may have more drivers than my room can hold so please turn up if you say you can 👍

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=209079

 

[DrifterJoe]

I came up with a new order for the tracklist, which I'll explain after it:

Indianapolis Motor Speedway - 200 miles (80 laps)
Circuit De Spa-Francorchamps (Weather at race start - 75%. Surface water at race start - 60%. Weather changeability - 10) - 200 miles (46 laps)
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca - 100 miles (45 laps)
Autodromo di Toscana (with optional time change) - 100 miles (34 laps)
High Speed Ring (Weather at race start - 0%. Surface water at race start - 0%. Weather changeability - 4) - 200 miles (80 laps)
Tokyo R246 (forward or reverse) - 100 miles (31 laps)
Daytona International Speedway - 200 miles (80 laps)
Feyhill Circuit (Weather at race start - 50%. Surface water at race start - 40%. Weather changeability - 8. + time change) - 200 miles (37 laps)
Daytona Road Course - 100 miles (28 laps)
Suzuka Circuit (Weather at race start - 25%. Surface water at race start - 20%. Weather changeability - 6) - 200 miles (55 laps)
Indianapolis Motor Speedway - 300 miles (120 laps)

Basically I'm spacing everything out as evenly as possible. This still allows 5 tracks to have their positions changed with ones that are similar.

What we have are 5 US races, one US race that also has weather (High Speed Ring is counted as this), 2 tracks with weather, 1 track with weather and time change, 1 track with time change, and 1 track with no time or weather.

The US races are every other race, weather races are every 3 races (the last one is a race sooner due to the season finale being there), races with time change are every 4 races, and the track that isnt US/time/weather is in the middle of the season.

Races that can still move with each other are :

Spa and Suzuka.
Daytona oval, Daytona road, and Laguna Seca (presuming you'd keep the shorter Indy oval race as the season opener. Add that to this list if it could be moved.)


Hope you like it, it's what resulted from me deciding to see what the calendar would look like if everything was spread out as evenly as possible.



EDIT: Someone stop me, I've already worked out tyre/pitting strategies for if every race was completely dry.


Feyhill transmission: reset to default, set max speed at the bottom right to 224mph. Final gear should be at 4.212 and 7th gear should be at 1.425 .

Spa transmission edit/change (added some more detail): reset to default, set max speed at the bottom right to 205mph. Final gear should be at 4.212 and 7th gear should be at 1.554 .

Autodromo di Toscana AND High Speed Ring transmission: reset to default, set max speed at the bottom right to 211mph. Final gear should be at 4.212 and 7th gear should be at 1.509 .


I encountered the problem that I was worried about at High Speed Ring. 2 laps on the tyres and the rear won't hang on in the banked corners, it drifts out and you spin. Edit: Added a load of understeer to the car and it fixed it. Car span out once the rear tyres had worn a lot, instead of every single banked corner. Can't add any more understeer than this without completely redoing most of my suspension.


The testing I have left before I move on to wet weather testing is tyre testing in dry conditions on 5 tracks.


Feyhill and Toscana are a bit harder with online physics+tyre/fuel wear.

 

[Knelly]

Just spoke with Droptop and he will be looking to start Season 3 NASCAR about three or four weeks after completion if Season 2, so that puts Saturday slot out. Friday would therefore be the ideal time, especially for me.

I think we need to agree on this before anything else. I suggest 23:00 GMT room opens for 00:00 for race start, on Fridays.

 

[cgr-10]

Yeah that sounds good, I'm definitely fine with that. It should give most guys from the US time to get home from work and to the race 👍

 

[DrifterJoe]

Just spoke with Droptop and he will be looking to start Season 3 NASCAR about three or four weeks after completion if Season 2, so that puts Saturday slot out. Friday would therefore be the ideal time, especially for me.

I think we need to agree on this before anything else. I suggest 23:00 GMT room opens for 00:00 for race start, on Fridays.

Friday is good for me too, though I know a couple of us can't make that time on friday. (e.g one person would be able to make it if the race started 30 minutes later than that)

The slowest 200 mile race of ours would take just under 2 hours in dry conditions. If we add in the fact that the 200 mile races also have rain, we're looking at something like 2 1/2 to 3 hours if the entire race is wet, so we'd be finishing close to 3am.

I imagine that the potential length of the races timewise and how late they could finish will discourage people from joining, or from competing in those particular races.

Maybe we should go back to possibly making weather races 150 or 175 miles, though only if the potential length of them puts people off.


In other news, I will probably have finished ALL of my testing by the end of the week.

 

[cgr-10]

Yeah, I'm tending to agree. 150 miles sounds like a good idea 👍

 

[Knelly]

I actually think this season 1 should be just 100 miles (in the main) to get the interest and core group, and season 2 should extend from that. This is how Drops has become successful in my opinion.

Less miles = more regular participants = better group of racers.

Let's not fall into the trap of becoming too adventurous again

 

[cgr-10]

We should be wrapped up by about 1ish at 100 miles, sounds fair enough

 

[DrifterJoe]

How about 125 miles for weather tracks? We'd be finished by 1:40 at the latest in a race that's wet all the way (unless there are endless cautions).(my wet laptime calculations are that a wet lap takes 1 1/2 times longer than a dry lap. e.g a 2 minute dry lap would be 3 minutes in the wettest conditions. It's actually slightly faster than this in the wet, but it's easier to work out this way. A completely wet race would more than likely be done by 1:30)

Tonight I'll either finish my dry tyre testing, or come up with the new Daytona settings.

 

[cgr-10]

I think it's easier to just stick to one length for all if we're going to go that low. Maybe longer races for the following season 👍

 

[DrifterJoe]

Fair enough then. 👍

I'll post the revised lengths of the races in an edit.

I'll also have to change my strategies, but that'll be easy.

The edit (bold is different than listed in the OP):

Indianapolis Motor Speedway - 200 miles (80 laps)
Circuit De Spa-Francorchamps (Weather at race start - 75%. Surface water at race start - 60%. Weather changeability - 10) - 100 miles (23 laps)
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca - 100 miles (45 laps)
Autodromo di Toscana (with optional time change) - 100 miles (34 laps)
High Speed Ring (Weather at race start - 0%. Surface water at race start - 0%. Weather changeability - 4) - 100 miles (40 laps)
Tokyo R246 (forward or reverse) - 100 miles (31 laps)
Daytona International Speedway - 200 miles (80 laps)
Feyhill Circuit (Weather at race start - 50%. Surface water at race start - 40%. Weather changeability - 8. + time change) - 100 miles (18 laps) (97.38 miles is closer to 100 than 102.79 miles)
Daytona Road Course - 100 miles (28 laps)
Suzuka Circuit (Weather at race start - 25%. Surface water at race start - 20%. Weather changeability - 6) - 100 miles (28 laps)
Indianapolis Motor Speedway - 300 miles (120 laps)

 

[cgr-10]

Rich suggested on the main forum that we run Racing tyres next season. I can see pros and cons of this.

Pros- Easier to control the car therefore it will be accessible to more people. 'Comfort Hards' probably put some people off.

Cons- Strays away from our realism idea.

 

[DrifterJoe]

We could split the difference and go for sports tyres, if we change them. Personally I thought the car was fine to control on the comfort tyres, and if I span/lost control I could tell you why easily.

We'd also lose all our strategies etc from races that were in the original season, as they'd have to be redone.

With sports or racing tyres, tyre strategies may well become "run one set of tyres for all the race, and only use the worse compound for the minimum 2 laps." Due to this, I'd say sports tyres.

Also the OP currently has road course weight at 720kg, when it's 725kg. (I fixed my typo of it after you copied it over).

I'll have to wait for a final decision on tyres before I can do any more testing, as well as working out the new Daytona Oval specs.

 

[cgr-10]

Fair enough, on the strategy front I agree with you. We'll stick with the same tyres 👍

 

[DrifterJoe]

Since I should put the series ahead of my tyre and weather testing, the Daytona specs and gearing will come in the next couple of hours.

The settings sheet bug where you are given default rear downforce if you change sheets is still unfixed. Same for the rolling start bug.

To deal with the issue where the car becomes unsettled in a couple of places at Daytona, I will say to use comfort medium instead of comfort hard. This won't make a difference to anything else, as you always ran out of fuel before the hard tyres ran out of grip.

EDIT:

Daytona oval settings: 512 BHP, 690 KG (low aero is a must, like at Indy oval).

Transmission: reset to default, set max speed at the bottom right to 205mph. Final gear should be at 4.212 and 7th gear should be at 1.554 .

You hit 198mph solo. Drafting speed is 202/203mph.

At first I tried increasing the weight, but the car still hit the same top speed when I added 30kg on. I could only add another 30kg of ballast to this (60kg in total), so I decreased the BHP instead.


EDIT: I suddenly have understeer in the fast corners at Spa, and my setup is the same as it's always been.
EDIT: It seems the weather change version of Spa has slightly less grip than the non-weather change version. I'm guessing this will also be the case with Suzuka.

To indicate that you are pitting at HSR you should move to the left side of the tunnel.

Just tried running comfort mediums at HSR with the track surface 100% wet. It's like driving when there's no grip left on any of your tyres, but worse. In the corners you had more grip on the grass than the track. As for wet tyres in these conditions, they're fine as long as you don't wear the rear tyres much. If you do then you can say goodbye to your rear grip. I also have some valuable wet racing tips to give my teammate(s) of this season. I'm glad that I chose HSR to be the track with the least weather.