Initial D GT Stage: Act2- Neo Emperor (Wk1 Starts: 14/02-20/02)
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Im not in the slightest trying to sound rude, but its pretty amazing you guys seemingly so so into cars werent already aware of these issues.
Driver aids are in almost every modern car these days, some can be adjusted, some cannot be turned off or even altered.
Either way it becomes part of the cars character and you should not automatically assume driver aids=noob so they should all be switched off.
I see it used all the time in driving games as some kind of ego boost to the Host who only drives with "everything off"
Also, as you have said, most good drivers will actually go slower with them on, so really you have no reason to enforce them to off. You are only getting away from reality by doing so.
You shold not have to do any research or have any complications with VDC AYC ESP yadda yadda yadda. Different companies call them different things and they are not replicated exactly in GT5.
All you have to know is that Gt5 chucks them all into "ASM" which is essenitaly close enough to what these systems do, and if a car has anything more than straight forward TCS (traction control) you can easily allow ASM in gt5 for that car.
The only thing you should always have off is active steering and skid recovery
force.
I havent seen indital D in many many years, but from momory the only cars that come to mind that would have TCS and ASM are the evos and GTRs.
Buntas WRX doesn't have TCS. Just a 4WD system with LSD. He had a 97-98ish STI right?
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thx for the compliment
anyway did anyone allready try out the tsukuba circuit?? just for information - what are the best lap time you guys did drive with the AE86.
So that i am prepared for what is to come
My best time is around 1:11:501 - i normlay can make it around 1:12 something.
Thx for the info - looking forward to compare the times.
Good laptime. 👍 What kind of mods?
I've just tried out the Trueno (
Thanks TimberW) at Tsukuba in online mode. After driving for a few laps, my average time was about 1:11 with the DFGT.
My mods (so far):
Chassis reinforcement
Engine stage 1
ECU tuning
Sports air filter
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Sports Exhaust
Clutch: Twin plate
Flywheel:Sports
Adjustable LSD
Carbon Driveshaft
Fully Customizable Suspension &
Sports Hard tires.
162HP & 940kg
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- vasho__
Good laptime. 👍 What kind of mods?
I've just tried out the Trueno (
After driving for a few laps, my average time was about 1:11 with the DFGT.
My mods (so far):
Chassis reinforcement
Engine stage 1
ECU tuning
Sports air filter
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Sports Exhaust
Clutch: Twin plate
Flywheel:Sports
Adjustable LSD
Carbon Driveshaft
Fully Customizable Suspension &
Sports Hard tires.
162HP & 940kg
Thx - after a few tweeks on the suspension i managed to get in online modus a constant time about 1:10:something
Still need to get some work on the LSD done - so far i did not change anything on it.
I am still not satisfied with it because the car behaves not the way i would like after leaving the apex. Bit oversteering. Need to fix that.
Settup is as well 162 HP.
Anyway happy to hear that my times aint that bad. And that with a DS3. Dont know if a DS3 is that much of a disatwantage against the Driving Wheel.
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- GTP_TimberW
Thanks for the clarification on Bunta's WRX, yes it's a 97-98 STi. So it doesn't have ASM as well right?
Well, I'm a pre millennium driver actually. Cars I own in real life doesn't have these fancy gadgets like ASM or even Traction Control. But it's good to know and learn and keep up with newer cars! haha...
I think it really depends on driving style/car, for ASM and TC. I remembered in Prologue, I needed the ASM to drive the R35!
Yeap, that's true, I have no problems as well. But like kado said, it depends on how you'll want to implement things. If it's a certain model only, we can enforce these things in the settings, eg BKOTT and Act001. But if it's a challenge from a selection of cars, it's a whole different story. I'll like to leave that adjustment to the integrity of the players then.
I think we can all agree on the skid recovery force. Active steering, I haven't read in depth into this yet. I've looked at the GTP_Registry Qualifier and they allowed for it. From what I understand, it is also some form of electronic aid on mordern cars as well right?
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- kadoimmortal
Good first point and the reason I would like that it be up to the driver being as some cars I will want to turn off TC that would not allow me to IRL in stock form. Seems pretty straight forward to me that Active Steering and Skid Recovery Force should not be allowed, although I don't really care much about either if it's a huge deal to some.
I think there would be too many variables to determine which cars could use what. Ya it may seem pretty obvious at first but do you also know if x car in Initial D was stock had a ecu program or tune had TC or ASM turned off: opposite to the stock configuration etc etc. AYC is different as it is represented separately in GT5 and if a car would have it IRL it also does in GT5 (this is the same with torque splitters i think). If we were talking true representation to the stock car IRL than the R34 I think would be the only car that you could choose to turn on or off TC.
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I cant say I'm 100% confident as I'm not really a fan of the cars or looked into it, but I'd be very very suprised if it did. In fact I'm almost astronomically certain, as I know only the very recent models have introduced it, and I've never felt any TCS or ASM the few times ive been driven around in a 98-00 wrx. I dont even think anything under the new 2008 model has it.
All the older ones bassicaly had is the 4wd system with some fancy LSDs.
Im not really sure what a milnnium drive is lol, but i take your point. Its actially better than the other way around, i.e some 10yo kid showing off.
Ive always found ASM in gt5 more of a hinderance, at least once I am familar with the car. It doesnt seem to represent the real life counterparts of the advanced gadgets like in the new GTR or evo x, all it seems to do is apply the brakes when you start to slide, thus slowing you down, even if you are accelerating.
Still, its vaguely what the real life systems do, just in gt5 its done in a much more crude way. I really wish they implemented the driver aids properly.
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I would have to disagree. I thnk active steering is too finely tuned to the dynamics of the gt5 game to be compared to any real life counterpart. IMO no active steering is even close to that perfect in real life yet.
And not many cars in gt5 would have it in real life. Some BMWs is the only one I can think of.. and even so, all they do in real life is adjust the steering ratio i.e how much the wheels moves in relation to how much you have to turn the wheel based on your speed, it doesnt actually turn for you or counter steer your drifts.
If you set AS to strong in gt5 and use a controller its almost like all you have to do is point the car in the general direction of the corner and it does the rest. IMO no serious racer should allow this to be on in a proper race.
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There isn that many variables. List the cars for me and ill tell you. Guessing whether they had custom ecu or turned of tcs in the anime is taking it too far. Point is you should be able to choose to have it on if you want.
Of the top of my head evo and gtrs.
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Remember, In initial D they did impossibly unrealistic things. So, is it that bad to have cars that are not completely realistic? I personally prefer no TCS or ASM because it makes it harder. I am not the best driver but I feel that no TCS helps me learn more than I would with if I had it on. The fact that this is a time trial challenge is what makes us need keep the odds even as far as assist and that's why we are either allowing it or not.
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No you can easily the aids as optional without any hassles. You can either use it or not, whatever you feel you like better.
It comes down to driving style and personal prefremance imo. I dont see why you have to regulate it.
Its like saying to an olympian, ok for this olympics you can either have cereal or eggs for breakfeast before an event, so pick because we are either allowing it or not. Its just going too far.
As I said FORCING off assists on cars that would have those assist were you to drive them in real life is just plain stupid. Its strikes me of more showing off than anything else.
And if you are worried about the lap times not being consistent, thats the point. Mixing things up. Assist beccome part of the driving style and are part of the car you drive. If you are worried that people with the assist are going faste feel free to use it, I dont see the issue. Why would you ant to strip cars of features they have in RL.
It comes down to driving style and personal prefremance imo. I dont see why you have to regulate it.
Its like saying to an olympian, ok for this olympics you can either have cereal or eggs for breakfeast before an event, so pick because we are either allowing it or not. Its just going too far.
As I said FORCING off assists on cars that would have those assist were you to drive them in real life is just plain stupid. Its strikes me of more showing off than anything else.
And if you are worried about the lap times not being consistent, thats the point. Mixing things up. Assist beccome part of the driving style and are part of the car you drive. If you are worried that people with the assist are going faste feel free to use it, I dont see the issue. Why would you ant to strip cars of features they have in RL.
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- kadoimmortal
I suggest we just make it driver's choice or keep to the same as RL. Personally I'd go with driver choice but same as RL could be interesting. Maybe a vote would settle it.
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No vote! argrghrgughgah!
Keep it optional on cars that have it JUST LIKE IN RL. Sheessh guys.
Do you not realise what you just said "drivers choice" and "keep it the same as RL" is the SAME THING?
Do you not see that in real life even on cars that have TCS you can turn it off if you want? Heck you can just pull the TCS Fuse out, 5 second job.
So keeping it the same as RL and leaving it optional for cars that have it is the same thing. Actualy the only thing you could do wrong is forcing it on or off and thats exactlty waht you guys want to do!
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thx for the compliment
anyway did anyone allready try out the tsukuba circuit?? just for information - what are the best lap time you guys did drive with the AE86.
So that i am prepared for what is to come
My best time is around 1:11:501 - i normlay can make it around 1:12 something.
Thx for the info - looking forward to compare the times.
I seem to be averaging the same times as you, except my best lap time was around 1:11:7XX
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- GTP_TimberW
Yeap, there will be no votes. Rules will be adapted accordingly depending on the car type we are using. Thanks for your feedback thus far.
I think it's okay to share times. But please send me the total time through PM. I'm gonna try this way. I will only reveal the total timing at the end of the Act. Therefore, creating more 'mystery'. But through the week, I will arrange the leaderboard by the fastest total time, but not revealing the times.
Why am I doing this? I participated in a challenge in GTP, but once I found out that my time is way off the fastest time, and there's no way to get it closer, I kinda lost heart to continue the challenge. The challenge involves different cars though. So I'm gonna try this method first. To keep you guys interested.
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Did not try out Trial Mountatin yet. Was trying to set up the suspension for the Tsukuba run and the LSD as well. But i think for Trial Mountain I will have to give it a different set up as the tracks are different.
Did you mess with the Settings??? Anyway i am going to try out a racing wheel. ITs a budget one so i do not think that it will make a difference - but lets give it a try. Its one of those that do work on all Platforms. As i do not want to spent much money on it.
Anyway i tryed my settings with racing soft on tsukuba and the car behaves like it should - i guess the tyres do play a big role. But as we do have to use only Racing Hard ones guess thats not an option. It would be fun to organize once a showdown with all the drivers we have here on the Green Hell with the Subaru - that cars behaves real sweet.
Cheers
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I know that we have to use Sports Hard. I just tryed it out with Sports Soft yesterday and just noticed that the traction is on a different lvl than with the Hard ones. Thats all.
And the racing wheel - heh its frustrating after a while. But i will try to get used to it. Now it seems like that i am messing everything up. I never had such problems with the DS3. Now my car is spinning out where it never did before. But to be true it feels much better to be driving with a wheel. The tension is much higher than with a ds3.
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- kadoimmortal
I know the feeling. When I first got a DFP wheel back on GT4 I actually put it away for a month or so because I had a hard time transitioning. I finally decided to start a fresh game with the wheel and even though at first it seemed more difficult than a DS2 in a few days to a week I had a real good hold of it.
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Almighty, my final submission for a new FASTEST run for BKOTT:
GT Planet Username:
weavty1
BKOTT:
8:10.450
Controller Type:
DS3 Controller
Date
01/30/2011
Linky: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B4rXPgeBy3DbMzNlYjg3NTctMWRiOC00ZTIwLTg4YmYtMjQyNWMwNjExMjQz&hl=en
First attempt today, and I think I'm satisfied with that one
hahah 👍
GT Planet Username:
weavty1
BKOTT:
8:10.450
Controller Type:
DS3 Controller
Date
01/30/2011
Linky: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B4rXPgeBy3DbMzNlYjg3NTctMWRiOC00ZTIwLTg4YmYtMjQyNWMwNjExMjQz&hl=en
First attempt today, and I think I'm satisfied with that one
hahah 👍
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Haha... that's great time! could you attach a replay link as well please? thanks.
Almighty, my final submission for a new FASTEST run for BKOTT:
GT Planet Username:
weavty1
BKOTT:
8:10.450
Controller Type:
DS3 Controller
Date
01/30/2011
First attempt today, and I think I'm satisfied with that one
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- kadoimmortal
Almighty, my final submission for a new FASTEST run for BKOTT:
GT Planet Username:
weavty1
BKOTT:
8:10.450
Controller Type:
DS3 Controller
Date
01/30/2011
First attempt today, and I think I'm satisfied with that one
You think? I gotta see that replay too that's an insane good time and first attempt who are you? The ring God. DAMN!!! Can't wait to see it.
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I gotta try it out today as academy round 2 starts tomorrow. Tsukuba is one of my least favorite tracks so I will have more trouble with that one. I love trial mountain can't see myself having any trouble there (besides the fact I will want to drift through every corner).
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