International Event - Suzuka Expert 750 pp 00-15-30-45

[The Outlaw]

I can pass just about any LM I've encountered going into Casio corner using the Mines. I just have to get a decent run off of the 140R. Then again, the Mines will outbrake pretty just about any car when it is set-up with a lot of downforce and brake force.

 

[The Outlaw]

Good race GTP_DukeOfPendle, I had a hard time trying to figure out how to pass your GT. Good race though!

 

[Stevisiov]

I can pass just about any LM I've encountered going into Casio corner using the Mines. I just have to get a decent run off of the 140R. Then again, the Mines will outbrake pretty just about any car when it is set-up with a lot of downforce and brake force.

The Mines also happens to be quicker than the GTLM on the straight making it very good at overtaking the GTLM on the entire back half of the track it only really looses out the the GTLM on the esses.

 

[Dragonistic]

The hardest car to pass appears to be the Clio/Tuned, they often ruin races by bunching everybody up after getting a high grid spot, slowing everybody down on every turn, then booting it down the straights so you can't get a run on them. Earlier PrudentBear (through no fault of his own) was going through the esses and the guys behind nearly all took each other out trying to stay behind, 4 cars nearly wrecked because of the Clio leading...

Of course Prudent went on to win because nobody could get around him despite being much faster in the overall lap.

 

[The Outlaw]

The Mines also happens to be quicker than the GTLM on the straight making it very good at overtaking the GTLM on the entire back half of the track it only really looses out the the GTLM on the esses.

Yea, I also believe the Mines is slightly quicker in a straightline with all tuning variables being similar (tires, weight, power, downforce, etc.) with optimal gearing. The only place where I find a well set-up/driven LM to be faster than my Mines R34 is getting out of some of the slower corners where the LM can use its great long powerband, torque and gears to it's advantage. The GTLM also seems slightly quicker in some of the off camber corners where the low center of gravity/weight and downforce helps out.


BTW, just wanted to apologize for that incident that happened either today or yesterday! I was trying to get a run up the inside of that black tuned vette in order to pass him, but he ended up taking the same line as me, clipping the front of my car causing me to spin. I saw you go spinning off the track after making contact with my out of control car. I was trying hard to get around that guy and ended up getting some bad luck. Sorry 👍

 

[Hugo Boss]

Sorry to GTRP_Hugo, was a bad idea to overtake on 130R, I thought I had enough speed from my slipstream to sail past on the straight but I realised too late that I didnt have the pace and nudged you wide I tried to wait for you but then I put a wheel on the grass and went flying off the track myself.

No, you had the right to overtake me there 👍 I also braked late and turned in late so I could get in line right behind you in case I couldn't defend my position on the outside. Only either your back stepped aside or some lag occured, which caused me to go wide. It didn't bother me though, that's part of the game

Had some great races tonight with Stevisiov, Maffski, Drama-Kyd, Dragonistic, Prudentbear, Bollocks and more I can't remember atm. Thanks guys 👍

 

[Duke of Pendle]

Good race GTP_DukeOfPendle, I had a hard time trying to figure out how to pass your GT. Good race though!

Thanks, I enjoyed our battle. Hats off to you for winning it 👍

 

[PrudentBear]

The hardest car to pass appears to be the Clio/Tuned, they often ruin races by bunching everybody up after getting a high grid spot, slowing everybody down on every turn, then booting it down the straights so you can't get a run on them. Earlier PrudentBear (through no fault of his own) was going through the esses and the guys behind nearly all took each other out trying to stay behind, 4 cars nearly wrecked because of the Clio leading...

Of course Prudent went on to win because nobody could get around him despite being much faster in the overall lap.

Interesting to hear your point of view. There I was thinking I was doing well to hold it together under pressure and all the time I was cheating by using the wrong car. 👎

I don't understand how you can say that 4 cars nearly wrecked because of me being in the lead. I don't recall doing anything erratic and I was driving on the racing line to the best of my ability. In my view, it's the resposibility of each and every one of the cars behind to keep it clean and drive within the space available until a suitable opportunity to pass cleanly arises. ISn't this part of the fun? You can't expect to drive an online race like you're doing a hot lapping session. 💡

I'm trying out different cars so you'll be glad to hear that you won't see me using the Clio again for a while. I shouldn't 'ruin' any more races and I'll be able to take my rightful position further down the grid.

You're very fast and I enjoyed racing with you even if the feeling might not have been returned. 👍

 

[MJH]

I'm coming at :30

The hardest car to pass appears to be the Clio/Tuned, they often ruin races by bunching everybody up after getting a high grid spot, slowing everybody down on every turn, then booting it down the straights so you can't get a run on them. Earlier PrudentBear (through no fault of his own) was going through the esses and the guys behind nearly all took each other out trying to stay behind, 4 cars nearly wrecked because of the Clio leading...

Of course Prudent went on to win because nobody could get around him despite being much faster in the overall lap.

Thats not really fair is it. A clio, if driven fair and clean, doesn't ruin a race for the people behind. It's the job of the people behind to try and pass those in front, not for the ones in front to let others through.

 

[Timppaq]

....it's the resposibility of each and every one of the cars behind to keep it clean and drive within the space available until a suitable opportunity to pass cleanly arises.

...


You're very fast and I enjoyed racing with you even if the feeling might not have been returned. 👍

👍

 

[Maffski]

The hardest car to pass appears to be the Clio/Tuned, they often ruin races by bunching everybody up

Well, by that logic everyone should only be using Elise's because if you drive a lotus every single other car that isnt a lotus will have that affect.

Clio is a valid choice and is capable of high 1.57's low 1.58's in free run just like a lot of others, but it isn't easy to drive like the other fast cars, anyone that can take a clio and win is undoubtedly a good driver in my book. What makes it a good choice too is that it is one of the few that can spank a GTLM on the straights.

 

[RaWRespect]

No one is driving the Nissan GT-R ? And btw the Clio isn't THAT fast.

I started with this session yesterday and this is more of a challenge then the suzuka 700pp, i won allmost every race there with something more than 15 secs. This is more like it !

I will see you all there. It's gonna be a battle there...

Marco / RaWRespect

 

[Stotty]

In the bit of testing I've done so far, I found the Clio Tuned, Evo X tuned and Corvette to turn very similar lap times... but there are differences in where each car is stronger... The Clio is a bit more of a challenge to drive than the 4WD stuff - which just seem to be glued to the road on R3's.

Reminds me a bit of the Suzuka 600PP races on S2's... the R8 could run faster laps than the NSX in free run, but in a race an R8 couldn't pass an NSX that didn't make a mistake as the NSX was so much faster on the straights.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

No one is driving the Nissan GT-R ?

Enjoy it while it lasts, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we're all getting punted to hell again.

And btw the Clio isn't THAT fast.

Beg to differ

 

[RaWRespect]

punted to hell again ? I'm a new member here and not that english to understand this. But since GT Academy this is my favorite car. And i saw in the last pages no one discussing a GT-R...

beg to differ ?

Marco / RaWRespect

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

'punting' is the term we use here for being rammed off the track by another car. The GT-R, because of its weight, stability and speed, is bombproof in a collision and, as such is the favourite ride of the 'punters'

'beg to differ' means I disagree with you - the clio is very fast

 

[Dragonistic]

Well, by that logic everyone should only be using Elise's because if you drive a lotus every single other car that isnt a lotus will have that affect.

Clio is a valid choice and is capable of high 1.57's low 1.58's in free run just like a lot of others, but it isn't easy to drive like the other fast cars, anyone that can take a clio and win is undoubtedly a good driver in my book. What makes it a good choice too is that it is one of the few that can spank a GTLM on the straights.

It's only fast because of its straight line speed, otherwise it is outclassed in the first half of the lap by almost anything, i run my Viper into the mid 1:57s now but I'm MUCH MUCH faster through the first half of the lap. The reason i complain is the reason it wins isn't because its a good car, its rubbish overall in comparison to many other but just has a truck load of power making it impossible to pass. Whats fun about driving a car slowly through the turns (exciting part) then blitzing everything on the straight (boring bit)?

 

[Maffski]

Bottom line is that if your car is always catching them on the corners but losing time on the straights then maybe sacrifice some grip for outright speed. There isn't a lot of point in having a car that with tons of grip if you cant use it.

 

[Timppaq]

Bottom line is that if your car is always catching them on the corners but losing time on the straights then maybe sacrifice some grip for outright speed. There isn't a lot of point in having a car that with tons of grip if you cant use it.

Or then you can have fun trying to deal with it.. it'll practice your (3rd) racing skills

 

[Dragonistic]

I learnt my way to beat them now, p3nt knows what i do in the esses and once im through its plain sailing because of my high grip, my best total time so far in the Viper is a 10:07. I use high grip because it makes overtaking a challenge, not just a slipstream on the straight and pass with ease, that to me is boring compared to riding round the outside of someone on the esses or outbraking someone into the slow turns.

 

[Maffski]

I don't get it, whats the problem then?

 

[Dragonistic]

I don't have any problem with people using it, but i do when they go horrifically slow and cause pile ups behind them, its like the people using lower PP and going slow infront of the pack. It's asking for trouble if someone picks a car and they can't match the pace of the chasing pack, if it hadnt've been a group of GTP and other forum members behind, in the incident i described then the Clio wouldve been taken out without a doubt. It basically ruined the rest of that race because we were so bunched up during the first sector no-one could overtake anyone and then everyone got the drag on the clio so no-one could overtake on the straight, if they pulled out they losed the draft and lost ground. For me, this was ok because i was fortunate to be at the front of the chasers so i could make a race of it trying to pass, everyone else however was in hell.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Personally, I think there needs to be qualifiying times to take part in expert races as there are too many idiots that think "ooo 800pp, lets get the fastest car i can". They then proceed to ruin races, because they cant handle the car they are driving and ruining it for everyone else.

 

[Maffski]

Well I do see your point, but for me I'd rather have one race fighting in amongst the pack as you describe than ten races where I cruised past and lead for the entire race.

I know Timmpaq and me in our Elises run together a lot and together steam our way through the pack just as you described and its great fun, but you do need the drivers around you when chasing in a pack like that to be in tune with each other and maybe that is where the problem with pileups comes from. You have to have full confidence in the guys around you to make chasing like that work.

 

[Timppaq]

....For me, this was ok because i was fortunate to be at the front of the chasers so i could make a race of it trying to pass, everyone else however was in hell.

How do you know this? Why wouldn't they have the same oppoturnity to have a nice race.. just like you? Maybe not about the podium, but who counts them anyway...

 

[Synwraith]

Interesting stuff. Actually my fastest free run time has so far been with the GTR, a 1:59.980 or something. I find it really fast on the straight stuff but very heavy in corners, massive understeer but decent grip and predictable handling.

I enjoy driving the Corvette waaaaaay more, it's absolutely beautiful in the first sector of the lap...but I find from the hairpin to the end of the lap (except 130R), I just can't match the GTR.

Whatever I'm using at th emoment, I am stuck on a 10'2x.xxx race time for the moment. That's why I'm going to try Dragonistic's tune for the GTLM

All the best
Maz (Synwraith)

 

[Dragonistic]

I usually end up performing overtakes which leave the other driver in danger, so often they need to trust me and be prepared to give way if they want to stay on track, for instance the esses move where you run around a slow car on the outside then have the inside next turn. I performed this with perfection on p3nt who sensibly feel in behind rather then try to go back around me (nothing more he could do with a GT). Annoyingly he then got punted from behind in doing do by doctorben, and into me which took me out. Luckily I've managed to convert doctorben or so it seems, into a clean racer through waiting for him and treating him with the respect we like to receive.

 

[MJH]

Do you not enjoy the challenge of trying to Pass the clio? Why not out break them, or over take on the outside of the esses, like you enjoy?

 

[Timppaq]

..I know Timmpaq and me in our Elises run together a lot and together steam our way through the pack just as you described and its great fun, but you do need the drivers around you when chasing in a pack like that to be in tune with each other and maybe that is where the problem with pileups comes from. You have to have full confidence in the guys around you to make chasing like that work.

You racing today?? I'm in within 3hours from now.. 👍 Would be fun to get some Elise action..

 

[Dragonistic]

Do you not enjoy the challenge of trying to Pass the clio? Why not out break them, or over take on the outside of the esses, like you enjoy?

Thats what i do, because im confident enough in my own abilities, others are not.

How do you know this? Why wouldn't they have the same oppoturnity to have a nice race.. just like you? Maybe not about the podium, but who counts them anyway...

I was watching my mirrors we had to keep braking on the apexs to avoid hitting the Clio which caused a domino effect and multiple contact, I believe 2 of the 4 ended up in the gravel eventually.