Iran Attempts to Build an Air Force, Fails at Life

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So Iran seems to think that they can build their own fighter jets, much less maintain them and actually have pilots who can operate them correctly. They've been running on incredibly old US jets for decades (from deals made with the US-friendly government pre-'79), and can't afford to keep our stuff in the skies anymore.

Their plan? Redo a 40 year old US design built and serviced in Iran.

News.com.au
IRAN overnight showed off for the first time a new fighter jet said to be modeled on the American F-5 but built using domestic technology, state media reported.

The "Azarakhsh" (Lightning) jet - one of the first to be home-produced by Iran - made a successful flight in the central city of Isfahan in a ceremony attended by Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar and other officials.

"The success of this domestically developed fighter plane is another example of the technological achievements of our country," said Isfahan governor Morteza Bakhtiari, according to the state-run IRNA news agency.

"At a time when the United States is selling its arms to its allies in the region, our country's specialists are taking big strides every day towards self-sufficiency in defense," he said.

The development of the plane was first announced in September last year, when military officials said that it was "comparable" to the US F-5 fighter jet.

Iran has also developed another homemade war plane named "Saegheh" (Thunder), which it has described as similar to the American F-18 fighter jet.

The fly-by in Isfahan appears to have been the first time the Azarakhsh jet has been shown in public.

Many of Iran's military planes are of American origin and were bought under the pro-US shah ousted by the Islamic revolution in 1979.

The current US embargo means the Iran must work hard to find spare parts to keep its fleet in the air, and officials have repeatedly emphasized the importance of moving towards self-sufficiency in defense.

The United States last week announced new military pacts worth $US20 billion ($23.35 billion) for Saudi Arabia, $US13 billion ($15.18 billion) for Egypt and $US30 billion ($35.02 billion) for Israel in a bid to counter Iran's regional influence.

Iran dismissed the deals as "fruitless" but insisted it was not worried by the moves.



Sure, they deserve the right to build and maintain their own military, but you do have to question how "serious" they are with things like this. There have been many laughs shared over a Digg on the subject;

TheNavadaKid
They forget to mention that it's equiped with AK-47's taped to the wings and a trap door under the pilots feet in which he can drop molotov cocktails on people's heads.

Nullzipzero
I bet the U.S. Air Force could shoot that thing down with one of their new UCAV drones

My favorite:

Santiago
Quick, someone give 'em the finger while inverted above 'em!

heaintheheavy
You were in a 4g inverted dive with a MiG28?

dakboy
We were communicating.
 
Pretty soon, they'll be fully capable of defending their air space from 1960's USAF. :P

Seriously though, wiki says they do have some MiG-29's. There's no way Iranians are stupid enough to seriously consider slowing enemy fighters down with illegal copies of F-5's. F-5's are very cheap, simple, and as far as I'm aware, has very limited electronics. Perhaps it's going to be some sort of support fighter?
 
While I'll applaud them for trying something "new", I must say just by the design of that jet, it looks off. Modern days jets have a design that tells you how fast it can fly and kill you. This though...doesn't have that appearence.
 
What is funny is their claim that they have another jet in development that is comparable to the F-18, which I still find incredibly hard to believe. That has to be one of the best multi-purpose fighters anywhere in the world, but given that we're replacing them as of now, one has to wonder just what they're thinking...

You'd think they'd try to buy from the Russians or the Chinese just so they stood a chance plane versus plane, but when it comes down to it, you have to have good pilots to be worth a damn.

...And even if it came to war between the Allies and Iran, their "Air Force" would be wiped-out presumably within the first eight hours. Even a small US Carrier Battle Group would have an outstandingly easy time tracking and destroying the majority of Iran's "Air Force." This isn't even factoring in what would be done by the US Air Force, Airborne Army, or Marines...
 
Actually, even with the lack of electronics, the F5 is a very good fighter-craft. Very nimble and capable, sort of like an analog F16... but of course, like YSSMAN says, you have to have good pilots... and given modern arms on US jets, those things don't stand a chance in a missile-to-missile battle.

Just give it some decent avionics, missiles and a good payload capability, and it'll be a potential threat... wait-a-minute... that's the F18 we're talking about. :lol:
 
and given modern arms on US jets, those things don't stand a chance in a missile-to-missile battle.
The modern arms on US ships could take one of those down from 2,000 miles away.
 
Why don't they just buy some Dassaults? The French aren't exactly known for being picky with who they sell their hardware to.
 
Would YOU voluntarily want something from the French? lol
 
They do have some Mirage F1's, but again they're old planes. The only planes in their arsenal that I can see causing any worries for the USAF would be the ~75 MiG 29's and, possibly, the 50 remaining F-14's. Assuming those still work.

Although, I'm not sure that they actually purchased the Mirage's. Apparently they just stole them from Iraq during the first Gulf War.
 
They haven't been able to purchase the parts for those F-14's in a very long time. I doubt very many are still flyable.
 
I used to know a guy in the Air Force who was training Iranian pilots in the late '70s. He said that one guy, on his solo, couldn't remember how to lower the landing gear, so he punched out of a perfectly good aircraft. On a training flight, the instructor put the aircraft in a spin after teaching the trainee how to correct it. 30 seconds and thousands of feet lower, the instructor leaned up front to see the student pilot with his arms clutched tightly around his chest and his head down, not touching the controls at all.

One hopes they've improved since then.
 
I used to know a guy in the Air Force who was training Iranian pilots in the late '70s. He said that one guy, on his solo, couldn't remember how to lower the landing gear, so he punched out of a perfectly good aircraft. On a training flight, the instructor put the aircraft in a spin after teaching the trainee how to correct it. 30 seconds and thousands of feet lower, the instructor leaned up front to see the student pilot with his arms clutched tightly around his chest and his head down, not touching the controls at all.

One hopes they've improved since then.

Wow, that's a trip. I mean seriously funny. Though I wouldn't doubt the USA Air Force has similar stories.

"How do you do the landing gear thingy again? Maybe I should use my radio and ask...Meh, I'll just eject, it's more fun anyway!"
:lol:
 
I was reading this and laughed at how Iran's high tech up to date Air Force has planes stolen from the 50s. I'm hoping Iran doesn't have a trick up their sleeve with a flotilla of sucker punching F-86 Sabres. :lol:
I also find it funny that these new, great planes Iran has developed themselves were obsolete by Iran's standards in 1976.
 
Or revert to early warplane fighting and fire pistols out of a window or throw bricks at the enemy. :D
 
Iranian pilot: "Get away from within 100 miles of Allah's airspace Infidel."

A-10 pilot: "Huh? you're breaking up.. it sounds windy."

Iranian: "Reverse course or we will remove you from the sky with our new advanced aircraft."

A-10 Pilot: "OH NO!! NOT THE D.VII!!!"

:D
 
Are they going to throw rocks at the A-10 like the Palestinians do to the Israeli tanks?
 
Actually, if I were piloting A-10 over Iranian airspace, I'd be looking around for those Tiger knock offs. :nervous:
 
If I were an A-10 pilot and a Tiger was on my tail, I'd be very worried. The quip was poking fun at the "obsolete" nature of most of the Iranian Air Force. Hopefully the Iranians bought lots of those infamous French RPGs that are all over youtube.. :lol:
 
No, actually the Sergeant counts from three, the rocket engine ignites, and the huge projectile lands on the ground eight feet in front of the team firing the weapon. The last word heard in the clip was <<Merde!>> . :lol:
 
A10 versus Tiger? I'd wait until he used up both of his missiles, then let him hammer away (fruitlessly) at me with his machine guns... :lol:

Done? Quite? Here, let me take a shot at you... :D
 
A10 versus Tiger? I'd wait until he used up both of his missiles, then let him hammer away (fruitlessly) at me with his machine guns... :lol:

Done? Quite? Here, let me take a shot at you... :D

:lol:

Being on the receiving end of a GAU8 a good day does not make.
 
:lol: This is good stuff, A paper airplane with a roman candle and some stink bombs would make a worthy opponent for this.
 
:lol: This is good stuff, A paper airplane with a roman candle and some stink bombs would make a worthy opponent for this.

Fine then, Mahmoud. I raise your paper airplane with an Almost-Ready-toFly 140 and a Zippo!
 
I was going to start a new thread with this one, but decided to put it in here.

Read what the good doctor wrote.

Dr. Jack Wheeler

One of India's top ranking generals assigned to liaise with the Iranian military recently returned to New Delhi from several days in Tehran - in a state of complete amazement.

"Everyone in the government and military can only talk of one thing," he reports. "No matter who I talked to, all they could do was ask me, over and over again, 'Do you think the Americans will attack us?' 'When will the Americans attack us?' 'Will the Americans attack us in a joint operation with the Israelis?' How massive will the attack be?' on and on, endlessly. The Iranians are in a state of total panic."

And that was before September 6. Since then, it's panic-squared in Tehran. The mullahs are freaking out in fear. Why? Because of the silence in Syria.

On September 6, Israeli Air Force F-15 and F-16s conducted a devastating attack on targets deep inside Syria near the city of Dayr AZ-Zawr. Israel's military censors have muzzled the Israeli media, enforcing an extraordinary silence about the identity of the targets. Massive speculation in the world press has followed, such as Brett Stephens' Osirak II? In yesterday's (9/18) Wall St. Journal.

Stephens and most everyone else have missed the real story. It is not Israel's silence that "speaks volumes" as he claims, but Syria's. Why would the Syrian government be so tight-lipped about an act of war perpetrated on their soil?

The first half of the answer lies in this story that appeared in the Israeli media last month (8/13): Syria's Antiaircraft System Most Advanced In World. Syria has gone on a profligate buying spree, spending vast sums on Russian systems, "considered the cutting edge in aircraft interception technology."

Syria now "possesses the most crowded antiaircraft system in the world," with "more than 200 antiaircraft batteries of different types," some of which are so new that they have been installed in Syria "before being introduced into Russian operation service."

While you're digesting that, take a look at the map of Syria: Notice how far away Dayr AZ-Zawr is from Israel. An F15/16 attack there is not a tiptoe across the border, but a deep, deep penetration of Syrian airspace. And guess what happened with the Russian super-hyper-sophisticated cutting edge antiaircraft missile batteries when that penetration took place on September 6th.

Nothing.

El blanko. Silence. The systems didn't even light up, gave no indication whatever of any detection of enemy aircraft invading Syrian airspace, zip, zero, nada. The Israelis (with a little techie assistance from us) blinded the Russkie antiaircraft systems so completely the Syrians didn't even know they were blinded.

Now you see why the Syrians have been scared speechless. They thought they were protected - at enormous expense - only to discover they are defenseless. As in naked.

Thus the Great Iranian Freak-Out - for this means Iran is just as nakedly defenseless as Syria. I can tell you that there are a lot of folks in the Kirya (IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv) and the Pentagon right now who are really enjoying the mullahs' predicament. Let's face it: scaring the terror masters in Tehran out of their wits is fun.

It's so much fun, in fact, that an attack destroying Iran's nuclear facilities and the Revolutionary Guard command/control centers has been delayed, so that France (under new management) can get in on the fun too.

On Sunday (9/16), Sarkozy's foreign minister Bernard Kouchner announced that "France should prepare for the possibility of war over Iran's nuclear program."

All of this has caused Tehran to respond with maniacal threats. On Monday (9/17), a government website proclaimed that "600 Shihab-3 missiles" will be fired at targets in Israel in response to an attack upon Iran by the US/Israel. This was followed by Iranian deputy air force chief Gen. Mohammad Alavi announcing today (9/19) that "we will attack their (Israeli) territory with our fighter bombers as a response to any attack."

A sure sign of panic is to make a threat that everyone knows is a bluff. So our and Tel Aviv's response to Iranian bluster is a thank-you-for-sharing yawn and a laugh. Few things rattle the mullahs' cages more than a yawn and a laugh.

Yet no matter how much fun this sport with the mullahs is, it is also deadly serious. The pressure build-up on Iran is getting enormous. Something is going to blow and soon. The hope is that the blow-up will be internal, that the regime will implode from within.

But make no mistake: an all-out full regime take-out air assault upon Iran is coming if that hope doesn't materialize within the next 60 to 90 days. The Sept. 6 attack on Syria was the shot across Iran's bow.

So - what was attacked near Dayr az-Zawr? It's possible it was North Korean "nuclear material" recently shipped to Syria, i.e., stuff to make radioactively "dirty" warheads, but nothing to make a real nuke with as the Norks don't have real nukes (see Why North Korea's Nuke Test Is Such Good News, October 2006).

Another possibility is it was to take out a stockpile of long-range Zilzal surface-to-surface missiles recently shipped from Iran for an attack on Israel.

A third is it was a hit on the stockpile of Saddam's chemical/bio weapons snuck out of Iraq and into Syria for safekeeping before the US invasion of April 2003.

But the identity of the target is not the story - for the primary point of the attack was not to destroy that target. It was to shut down Syria's Russian air defense system during the attack. Doing so made the attack an incredible success.

Syria is shamed and silent. Iran is freaking out in panic. Defenseless enemies are fun.
 
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