Islam - What's your view on it?

[sumbrownkid]

@FrzGT: It's Ramadan already for you guys? Well in any case Ramadan Mubarak.

Or Happy Ramadan for you infidels.

 

[FoRiZon]

@FrzGT: It's Ramadan already for you guys? Well in any case Ramadan Mubarak.

Or Happy Ramadan for you infidels.

Tommorow for me. Happy fasting for moslems

 

[sumbrownkid]

Tommorow for me. Happy fasting for moslems

It's going to be this Sunday apparently for us, is this the same for you? Considering it is already tomorrow in Indonesia relative to me.

 

[FoRiZon]

It's going to be this Sunday apparently for us, is this the same for you? Considering it is already tomorrow in Indonesia relative to me.

Same.
Interested to see some countries already started though.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Same.
Interested to see some countries already started though.

Which doesn't make sense because we have calculated methods that can determine when the new moon is, but yet we still have people debating when Ramadan starts.

 

[FoRiZon]

Which doesn't make sense because we have calculated methods that can determine when the new moon is, but yet we still have people debating when Ramadan starts.

Yeah. Those silly conservatives only wants to determine by naked eye

 

[dxm8975]

Same.
Interested to see some countries already started though.

I previously heard one time from one of my muslim friends living in Middle eastern country
that the starting date of the fasting month (Ramadan) differs between the countries, and slightly varies with the year for the calender they're using being different. He said that the Ramadan started at around the head of August last year, but this year it's already close at hand.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I previously heard one time from one of my muslim friends living in Middle eastern country
that the starting date of the fasting month (Ramadan) differs between the countries, and slightly varies with the year for the calender they're using being different. He said that the Ramadan started at around the head of August last year, but this year it's already close at hand.

That's because the Islamic calender is based on the lunar schedule, thus making it 10-11 days shorter than the Gregorian Calender we all use depending on leap year. So every year, Ramadan starts 10-11 days earlier in the Gregorian calender.

 

[FoRiZon]

That's because the Islamic calender is based on the lunar schedule, thus making it 10-11 days shorter than the Gregorian Calender we all use depending on leap year. So every year, Ramadan starts 10-11 days earlier in the Gregorian calender.

I just wondering why we dont have some International Lunar Time? There are so much speculation when its starts even between one city here.

 

[KSaiyu]

What happens if you're a muslim in a country near the north pole and it's always daytime?

 

[PeterJB]

What happens if you're a muslim in a country near the north pole and it's always daytime?

Chances are you'd use the day/night cycle of somewhere like Saudi Arabia as a point of reference.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I just wondering why we dont have some International Lunar Time? There are so much speculation when its starts even between one city here.

Because Muslims like speculation and controversy.

@PeterJB: Some scholars say to use the nearest country where there is day/night transition as normal. The Quran never specified such things unfortunately.

 

[Carbonox]

Depends on country. Saudi Arabia for instance are a lot more restrictive with womens rights than Iraq for example.



Not every country, and not in arabic ones.





So muslim automatically equals "radicalized" now?

Furi, I know you're having a hard time acknowledging the existence of radicals in the West, so hopefully these links will help you face reality and realize that some parties you would consider "racist" actually do have the best interests of their people at heart whenever they open their mouths about deporting certain people.

65% of Canadian Muslims support Sharia law in Canada:
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada

And 40% for British Muslims, with 20% supporting the London suicide bombings:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

 

[Furinkazen]

Furi, I know you're having a hard time acknowledging the existence of radicals in the West, so hopefully these links will help you face reality and realize that some parties you would consider "racist" actually do have the best interests of their people at heart whenever they open their mouths about deporting certain people.

65% of Canadian Muslims support Sharia law in Canada:
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada

And 40% for British Muslims, with 20% supporting the London suicide bombings:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

Radicals in west exist, I have said this a many times. You just equate "muslim" with "radical".

 

[Carbonox]

Radicals in west exist, I have said this a many times. You just equate "muslim" with "radical".

What do you think should be done about non-integrating newcomers?

 

[Spurgy 777]

Radicals in west exist, I have said this a many times. You just equate "muslim" with "radical".

When did he say that?

 

[Rage Racer]

What do you think should be done about non-integrating newcomers?

"REMOVE KEBAB". Which means, get them back where they came from, if they get a lot of bad attention from police.

 

[Carbonox]

"REMOVE KEBAB". Which means, get them back where they came from, if they get a lot of bad attention from police.

I'm familiar with that, but was directing my question primarily to @Furinkazen because of his dangerous "radicals exist everywhere, we can't do anything about them, just deal with it" attitude.

 

[Furinkazen]

I'm familiar with that, but was directing my question primarily to @Furinkazen because of his dangerous "radicals exist everywhere, we can't do anything about them, just deal with it" attitude.

When did I say that?

You are the one thinking that. I could present a heap of evidence about what you regard as an "invasion" (direct quote from you).

 

[dxm8975]

Depends on country. Saudi Arabia for instance are a lot more restrictive with womens rights than Iraq for example.



Not every country, and not in arabic ones.

I thought there were a couple of protests by women in Saudi Arabia at the end of last November?(if my memory serves me correctly) in point of protecting womens' rights equally, to make it legally possible for them to acquire the drivers' license and actually drive a car in the traffic facilities, which sort of restrictions doesn't exist in other muslim countries(not to mention other non-muslim nations).

 

[Carbonox]

When did I say that?

You are the one thinking that. I could present a heap of evidence about what you regard as an "invasion" (direct quote from you).

A heap of evidence isn't required - all you need is to have a look at the demographics, especially minorities' fertility rates, and then have a look at the burning suburbs.

 

[Furinkazen]

A heap of evidence isn't required - all you need is to have a look at the demographics, especially minorities' fertility rates, and then have a look at the burning suburbs.

Again relates to your so-called "invasion" of europe in what way?

 

[Carbonox]

A heap of evidence isn't required - all you need is to have a look at the demographics, especially minorities' fertility rates, and then have a look at the burning suburbs.

Again relates to your so-called "invasion" of europe in what way?

Passive invasion ftw. If you can't beat them, try outnumbering them instead... though fortunately some of them haven't been able to keep their cool in the middle of infidels, which results in car burnings, gang rapes and Muslim Patrols, and thanks to them, we can constantly witness what's found beneath the surface.

 

[Furinkazen]

Passive invasion ftw. If you can't beat them, try outnumbering them instead... though fortunately some of them haven't been able to keep their cool in the middle of infidels, which results in car burnings, gang rapes and Muslim Patrols, and thanks to them, we can constantly witness what's found beneath the surface.

As per usual you have not a single idea how to make the distinction between "muslim" and "extremist". In your view every single one should be gone even if they have done nothing wrong, because of course all christians and other groups are such angels aren't they?

 

[Carbonox]

As per usual you have not a single idea how to make the distinction between "muslim" and "extremist".

Back to my links. 40% supporting sharia law is already a pretty worryingly big bundle of extremists.

In your view every single one should be gone even if they have done nothing wrong

Where did I say so?

, because of course all christians and other groups are such angels aren't they?

Compared to suicide bombers and gang rapists, they're more than angels.

 

[KSaiyu]

Back to my links. 40% supporting sharia law is already a pretty worryingly big bundle of extremists.

Not as worrying as the eagerness of groups to pander to this minority. As a child of 2 immigrants it's concerning that these misguided attempts at integration could foster further alienation, or as we're seeing in certain areas of England, subversion.

 

[Furinkazen]

Passive invasion ftw. If you can't beat them, try outnumbering them instead... though fortunately some of them haven't been able to keep their cool in the middle of infidels, which results in car burnings, gang rapes and Muslim Patrols, and thanks to them, we can constantly witness what's found beneath the surface.

I can't arguable with such infathomable logic as this from you Carbon when we were talking about politicians decisions and Iraq and the middle east:


Carb: YOU are not responsible for anything that happens in Iraq... Therefore YOU and the rest of the white British men don't deserve any of the 🤬 that immigration brings to them... Well you have fun, but I, unlike you, will not suffer for my leaders' mistakes, if there ever are any.

Me: We don't suffer for mistakes...

Carb: A lot of you do, because they're being forced to leave their towns because of a silent (ILLEGAL) invasion by Muslims.

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^Oh look, you just said all muslims are partaking in an invasion.

 

[Carbonox]

I didn't see a word "all".

Good night, Furry.

 

[SalmanBH]

Islam's rules, or any religion's rules are open to interpretation. Many fundamentalists or radical extremists tend to twist or 'interpret' the words of the Quran in order to fulfill their own objectives and goals.

Much of this can be seen in Iraq with sectarianism on the rise from both Sunni and Shia groups. Take Ali Al Sistani, the Grand Ayatollah of Iraq as an example who issued a call to arms after the radical Sunni group ISIS started taking over multiple towns in both Syria and Iraq.

This extremism from both sides isn't only harmful to governments and political organisations, but it can also have a large amount of negative effects on families and individuals. Religious leaders have the power to oppress and issue 'fatwas' on knowledge, technology or people that may have helped people's lives. Instead, we can see regressive societies popping up all over the region, especially with the increased US funding of extremist rebel organisations linked with Al-Qaeda.

To sum it all up, Islam can either be used for good or bad, but it seems to be much easier for people to abuse their power and use religion as a tool for their own means.

 

[KSaiyu]

To sum it all up, Islam can either be used for good or bad, but it seems to be much easier for people to abuse their power and use religion as a tool for their own means.

Can I see examples of it being used for good please.