Islam - What's your view on it?
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KSaiyu
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Similar to Christian tithing. Many muslims here give this charity to aid organisations under investigation
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Again, I will repeat. This all comes down to the individuals choice. He or she can give the 2.5% or more of his or her income and spend it directly on charitable activities or they may wish to give it to charitable organisations. These entities may be corrupt, as can be seen in this article:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...ssion-whitewashes-yet-another-islamist-group/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...ssion-whitewashes-yet-another-islamist-group/
My opinion is that, at core, religion was made so that people would all become united under the belief that there is one God. This did work for a while and Islamic society that emerged 100 years after the introduction of the religion. It was known for being among the most tolerant religions that existed with non-Muslims being allowed to freely practice their religion and live in the Muslim society as long as they paid Jizya (non-Muslim tax).
It seems to be that whenever a supposed Muslim commits a crime such as terrorism, killing in the name of God or the like, the religion is blamed and not the individual. My view is that the individual should be held responsible for his or her actions, and that people shouldn't go and point the finger and what they believe in.
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Ah, that's perfectly nice and fair, ain't it?
Well, if you think about the infrastructure that needed to be paid for at the time including pavements, schools and public libraries, along with the Zakat being paid my Muslims (non-Muslims are exempt from giving Zakat as long as they pay the Jizya), I believe that it was not only fair, but necessary.
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I'm not particularly sure about the practice's fairness.
Jizya is obligatory on a Dhimmi's regardless of income or wealth; no minimum (Nisab) to determine Jizya
That smells a lot like Finland's recent media tax which is mandatory even if one doesn't own a TV, radio or other devices which may be used to access media.
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I'm not particularly sure about the practice's fairness.
Jizya is obligatory on a Dhimmi's regardless of income or wealth; no minimum (Nisab) to determine Jizya
That smells a lot like Finland's recent media tax which is mandatory even if one doesn't own a TV, radio or other devices which may be used to access media.
Ah, here we go with the 'If I don't use it, why should I pay for it?' argument.
If you were to live in an area that is controlled by the caliphate, then you are subject to the Jizya.
I would also like to point out the fact that what you have stated is not correct. There were some people that were exempt from the Jizya, such as slaves, women, children, the impoverished, monks and hermits.
The root meaning of Jizya is compensation. Since most non-Muslims would not have wanted to fight alongside Muslim soldiers, and it being a tax on able-bodied males of military age, it was in a sense a commutation for military service.
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I do use the government-sanctioned media. However, some people willingly don't because it's in direct conflict with their viewpoints, and they see no point whatsoever in supporting something as biased. It's a whole lot different than paying taxes to support daycare centers, schools and other places not politically affiliated.
And then I have some people complaining to me when I wish for that caliphate to never spread to Finland!
I don't see Jehovah's Witnesses paying compensation taxes despite not serving in the military...
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@Carbonox: That's because most Jehovah's Witnesses happen to live in a state that is devoid of a state sanctioned religion and the state attains taxes through different means. Jizya's were incurred during an era where invasion from rival kingdoms and empires were the norm as well as internal insurrections, so the state needed as many men as they can get. People who paid the tax enjoyed benefits of protection by the state and its army. It worked for centuries during the Islamic Golden Age. They just put it on non-Muslims because they believed pinching them at their wallets would either convince them to convert, or help pay for the army. It is in inherently unequal system, but so too was Hammurabi's Codes.
That said, Jizya is an old concept that fell out of use in the modern era due to finding other means of attaining taxes (I.E. that oil money). Hell Saudi is the most Islamist state out there but they don't charge its people for not joining the army. Neither does Egypt and they claim to be an Islamist state.
And I don't get this media paranoia about the caliphate spreading to Finland. Ain't nobody got time fo' dat.
That said, Jizya is an old concept that fell out of use in the modern era due to finding other means of attaining taxes (I.E. that oil money). Hell Saudi is the most Islamist state out there but they don't charge its people for not joining the army. Neither does Egypt and they claim to be an Islamist state.
And I don't get this media paranoia about the caliphate spreading to Finland. Ain't nobody got time fo' dat.
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More likely that religion/god was created as a cop out explanation of why things happen, and then used to control people and get the masses to do everything you tell them to, or face being tortured for all eternity.
The individual and the reasons behind the individuals actions are both blamed. And the reason we point the finger partially at beliefs is because generally crazy beliefs make people do crazy things if they don't know better. And religion is a great breeding ground for crazy beliefs, especially when poor, uneducated masses are exposed to it, simply because it tells them to believe what they're told without questioning it, or asking for evidence, and to have faith.
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What I'm talking about took place in the times of the Islamic caliphate. Bahrain does not require its residents, whether they be locals or non-locals, to pay tax. The concept of Jizya became obsolete since the governments of today found other ways to gather revenue.
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Bahrain is the first country to have run out of oil and gas reserves. Most of our revenue comes from the finance and real estate sector, refining aluminium and turning Saudi Arabia's petroleum into gasoline.
KSaiyu
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It's paranoia because...?
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And guess what happens if Ramadan comes around in the middle of winter when there is no daytime...
I supposed there was quite a massive number of people who profess Mohammedanism in Russia, and former part of the USSR as well(especially in the countries in the caucasian area, i.e. Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia, Abukhasia and Ossetian part, and of Central Asia including Turkmenistan, Tadzhikistan, Uzbekistan and its adjoining Afghanistan), but the way that those people are treated is pretty much different compared to the countries with population of majority of people believing in Muslim.
In Japan there are some muslims here too, but the population of those professing Muslim is very low(most of Japanese people believe mainly in Shinto, Buddhism, neighbouring Chinese Confucianism, and Christians and Muslims as a minority), and the appearance is a lot different. I seldom see those people(Exchange university students from middle eastern countries, Malaysia or Indonesia, for instance) wearing garments such as jellabiya or hijabs, and some of those muslim people even go out in the streets or parks clothed in dresses that ain't any different from ours. So unlike in your country, for us to see or recognise muslim people itself is a difficult/rarity thing, and much less to catch sight of those being clad in those "religious" clothes in my area.
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KSaiyu
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It seems like you've sent the wrong link because I can't see the article.
Anyways, there have been 'scouts' going around European cities looking for any potential recruits that could go and fight for them in Iraq and Syria. This is worrying, definitely, but it doesn't mean that the Caliphate will take over the city of London with its infrastructure, police and special forces.
I should be more worried than you since I live in the same region and this may have more complications inflicted on me rather than someone living in the states or Europe (unless you're dependent on Iraqi oil, that is).
I'm on your side when it comes to this caliphate spreading, but you surely shouldn't be worried about it spreading any further than Iraq and Syria.
KSaiyu
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The blog is currently talking about Tower Hamlets, a place where my partner's ex's mum couldn't get a job or learn to speak English because of the wishes of her mother in law.
Disproportianate sentences to please a minority claiming apostasy in Scotland? You betcha.
Disproportianate sentences to please a minority claiming apostasy in Scotland? You betcha.
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I completely agree with the fact that a year is way too harsh. Also, I'm not trying to justify the length of the sentence, but what they've done was just insulting, not harmful but offensive.
Obviously they don't deserve a whole year, two weeks max, but they should at least show respect to the central mosque and not smear bacon all over the door handles knowing that the consumption of pork is forbidden in Islam.
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A better sentence would be to take all pork products from them for a year and community service.
They wasted food you know.
They wasted food you know.
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Surely if it's just the consumption of pork that's forbidden, they shouldn't care unless they intend on eating the door handles.
Yes it was a childish thing to do, but they shouldn't have even paid it any attention, and I would love to know what law they broke to deserve any sentence.(Thought I should mention I'm taking the article with a pinch of salt, I can't believe they were imprisoned for a year just for putting bacon on a Mosque.)
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Surely if it's just the consumption of pork that's forbidden, they shouldn't care unless they intend on eating the door handles.
I completely agree, they shouldn't really care about what those people did since all they really wanted was attention.
They sure did get it.
vasiliflame
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Well, there are still some areas in the southern provinces where oil can be found but it's barely significant enough for the country to be dependant on it.
Close ties with Saudi Arabia help the country keep oil prices subsidised ($0.27, 0.16 GBP or 0.19 Euros per litre).
We were the first area in the Arabian peninsula to find oil, I think it was 1931, so I guess that could be why we ran out so early, along with the fact that it's such a tiny country.
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vasiliflame
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Sort of makes sense coal started to slowdown in the 30's as Wales was the power house of the industrial revolution we still have untold billions of tons of coal left , we also haven't really exploited the North Sea oil and gas fields and buy ours in as its a fossil fuel and won't last forever so until we can not buy anymore from anyone we will not exploit our own resources. A lough Scotland think they can break from the UK and claim it as theirs that I find very comical as they have no army or even health care welfare system or even their own currency, a break from Great Britain will be certain suicide for the Scottish people as a welsh man even I know times have changed we ain't the tribes Owen Glynn derw and William Wallace represented .
16 p a litre I want to cry
