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If assault is already illegal, how would we lower the amount of assaults by making Islam illegal?Criminal assaults woman, remains at large through lack of witnesses. Better ban Islam.
If assault is already illegal, how would we lower the amount of assaults by making Islam illegal?Criminal assaults woman, remains at large through lack of witnesses. Better ban Islam.
The UK is not a secular country, we have a state religion, the head of which is the monarch, with leaders of that faith embedded automatically in the House of Lords.But I don't live in these states, I live in London. We are a secular country with the religious majority being Christians.
I didn't, I compared three religions, mainly to point our a weird double standard you have repeatedly employed.Why do these debates always, always, always turn into Christianity? It's bizarre. It's like talking about multiple sclerosis and then saying "well what about brain tumours?". Why can't we discuss the topic at hand?
....And with that I can walk around safely with a "Jesus is queer" top. Remember that even though we have what you have stated, in general terms the UK is one of the more secular countries in the world.The UK is not a secular country, we have a state religion, the head of which is the monarch, with leaders of that faith embedded automatically in the House of Lords.
No double standard. I'm pointing out the flaw in the ideology that "all religions are equal". It's like saying "you can be anything you want to be". Patently false and ridiculous.I didn't, I compared three religions, mainly to point our a weird double standard you have repeatedly employed.
Oh and posting the Free Speech Union, an organisation that only likes free speech when it agrees with them, rather telling.
You can see it's a liddle bit MAGA-like.And citing the Middle East Forum as well, a conservative think tank set up to promote US interests, with close ties to Israel? Did the absolutist nature of that piece not give you the slightest pause for thought?
"That doesn't count."The UK is not a secular country, we have a state religion, the head of which is the monarch, with leaders of that faith embedded automatically in the House of Lords.
If you need to effectively redefine what a secular nation is to describe the UK, then it's not.....And with that I can walk around safely with a "Jesus is queer" top. Remember that even though we have what you have stated, in general terms the UK is one of the more secular countries in the world.
No ones said they are all equal, so drop the strawman, you know the exact point that's being raised, which is your repeated double standards.No double standard. I'm pointing out the flaw in the ideology that "all religions are equal". It's like saying "you can be anything you want to be". Patently false and ridiculous.
Toby Young, the MEF and FSU are all quite MAGA-like, well spotted.You can see it's a liddle bit MAGA-like.
That was the entire point of my previous post. Forgot the /s tag, sorry.If assault is already illegal, how would we lower the amount of assaults by making Islam illegal?
Yeah sorry i should address it to @HenrySwansonThat was the entire point of my previous post. Forgot the /s tag, sorry.
You don't see how that's worse? In a Christian nation I'm more safe to do that...?If you need to effectively redefine what a secular nation is to describe the UK, then it's not.
What is the point then?No ones said they are all equal, so drop the strawman, you know the exact point that's being raised, which is your repeated double standards.
I'm saying you guys are. For Christ's sake, the Toby Young article is a free version of The Times article because it was paywalled!!Toby Young, the MEF and FSU are all quite MAGA-like, well spotted.
I was addressing a singular point, your claim that the UK is a secular nation. It's not, and your moving goal posts.You don't see how that's worse? In a Christian nation I'm more safe to do that...?
I've no idea, you claimed people were saying they were all equal, not me.What is the point then?
Which has zero to do withe the issue of using a eugenics supporting, misogynistic, homophobe, who set up a 'Free speech ' organisation with zero interest in actual free speech as a source.I'm saying you guys are. For Christ's sake, the Toby Young article is a free version of The Times article because it was paywalled!!
This is insanity!
No, man, that's not what Hitchens is saying.Condemning extremist agitators whilst demanding equal treatment for the majority of regular Muslims is so MAGA.
It's not a zero sum situation, it's perfect possible to want zero blasphemy laws to be in place without blaming all followers of any religion.No, man, that's not what Hitchens is saying.
We should be condemning the religion, not shying away from it by blaming extremists. Over half of British Muslims in a poll want to make showing "the prophet" illegal. Do you agree with that?!
Personally I'm more concerned with far right views being mainstream in the UK than unsourced polls about blasphemy laws that aren't going to amount to much.As Hitchens again said: Resist it while you still can.
Are we ignoring the OT in Christianity again?
That's what the article I posted was saying. The author condemns the rise of radical Islam, not all Islam.No, man, that's not what Hitchens is saying.
73% of white American evangelists believe abortion should be criminalised in all or most cases. I think people should outvote them, not hold pogroms, mass deportation and deprogramming.We should be condemning the religion, not shying away from it by blaming extremists. Over half of British Muslims in a poll want to make showing "the prophet" illegal. Do you agree with that?!
We are in 2024. Labour was considering how to define Islamophobia. Depending on which definition is used, there could be a blasphemy law by the backdoor. A Sikh group recently pointed this out and it's now on the backburner.It's not a zero sum situation, it's perfect possible to want zero blasphemy laws to be in place without blaming all followers of any religion.
Plenty of Christians fought to stop the removal of the blasphemy laws in the UK, doesn't mean all Christians should be condemned as a result.
Aren't going to amount to much?!Personally I'm more concerned with far right views being mainstream in the UK than unsourced polls about blasphemy laws that aren't going to amount to much.
WHAT?!!Are we ignoring the OT in Christianity again?
Can you explain?That's what the article I posted was saying.
You guys really have a hard-on for Christianity.73% of white American evangelists believe abortion should be illegal in all or most cases. I think people should outvote them, not hold pogroms, mass deportation and deprogramming.
And yet, in the UK, you aren't going to post a picture of Mo are you?I feel the same way about Muslims. There's no great replacement where they outnumber non-Muslims. Instead they're outnumbered by 47 to 3 in the UK according to the 2021 census. It's already criminal for them to act violently towards others on behalf of their beliefs.
Over half of British Muslims in a poll want to make showing "the prophet" illegal. Do you agree with that?!
See my edit above.Can you explain?
Why on earth would I want to do so? Still, here you go:And yet, in the UK, you aren't going to post a picture of Mo are you?
How much at risk are you?Yes, but there are so many more Christians in the UK as you have just pointed out. Why am I more at risk from Muslims in a Christian country (as said by Scaff) by just showing a picture of Mo if they are outnumbered 47 to 3 even if I post about naked lesbian nuns having graphic sex involving Jesus?
I compared Christianity and Islam by posting stats for both. Why do you really have a hard-on for only considering one religion in isolation?You guys really have a hard-on for Christianity.
What solution do you propose to change Muslims' beliefs?Who is talking about pogroms, mass deportation and deprogramming?!
What algorithm?Hold on, I'll work out the next reply according to the algorithm:
Have you ever been to Northern Ireland?Yes, but there are so many more Christians in the UK as you have just pointed out. Why am I more at risk from Muslims in a Christian country (as said by Scaff) by just showing a picture of Mo if they are outnumbered 47 to 3 even if I post about naked lesbian nuns having graphic sex involving Jesus?
OK....what's that got to do with Hitch?See my edit above.
Because we have to resist religion's pernicious influence, whichever one it is. Did you watch Hitch's video? What did you think of the message?Why on earth would I want to do so?
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You asked about the Batley teacher. How much risk is he under?How much at risk are you?
Did I consider one in isolation? Have you not seen my anti-Christianity posts? How they persecute LGBT? How they deprive pregnant people of their rights? In any of those instances, have you brought up another religion as a counter point?I compared Christianity and Islam by posting stats for both. Why do you really have a hard-on for only considering one religion in isolation?
What we did/do with other religions. Take the piss. Say that their views need to evolve. Become intolerant of 7th century views on women and LGBT.What solution do you propose to change Muslims' beliefs?
I have a very angry view of Islam, wouldn't you? Why not?I’m sorry to hear some on GTP have such a bitter and angry view of Islam and Muslims.
It's like you didn't experience the Qatar World Cup.If everyone would respect each other’s beliefs, you wouldn’t need to feel afraid and you could go about your life without so much anger.
Ah, the algorithm strikes again.Extremists
And they’re dealt with by the copious laws governing such things.
Not in my case.I have a feeling these people who take umbridge with religions also are the ones who get door to door sales people and have a go at the people, telling them that they’re wasting your time and to get a proper job, slamming the door in their face. When you could have just politely said you’re not interested and exused yourself in a calm manner.
I've never been to Northern Ireland. I know it's quite sectarian. Do you have precedent for violent assaults on someone showing Jesus as gay/pro LGBT?Have you ever been to Northern Ireland?
Take a walk around Belfast with your Tshirt and report back.
It sounds like Hitch opposes Islam, not radical Islam. Could you explain whether or not this is the case without requiring me to watch a video?OK....what's that got to do with Hitch?
It's possible to resist religion's pernicious influence without deliberately pissing people off.Because we have to resist religion's pernicious influence, whichever one it is. Did you watch Hitch's video? What did you think of the message?
That's what came up when I googled "picture of Muhammad". Will this do? It's from Jyllands-Posten via Wikipedia.
No one's stopping you.What we did/do with other religions. Take the piss. Say that their views need to evolve. Become intolerant of 7th century views on women and LGBT.
Extremists are bad people.You asked about the Batley teacher. How much risk is he under?
I don't need to post a counterpoint to something I agree with.Did I consider one in isolation? Have you not seen my anti-Christianity posts? How they persecute LGBT? How they deprive pregnant people of their rights? In any of those instances, have you brought up another religion as a counter point?
So I ask again, why the hard-on for Christianity?
What algorithm?Ah, the algorithm strikes again.
And deprive you of the chance to watch his genius?It sounds like Hitch opposes Islam, not radical Islam. Could you explain whether or not this is the case without requiring me to watch a video?
We broke quite a few religious eggs secularising the UK and giving people more rights. Time for the next round.It's possible to resist religion's pernicious influence without deliberately pissing people off.
Well yeah, I posted my actual picture of Mo (note I'm not pressuring you to do it, I am aware of the risks and you are readily identifiable because of your Twitter profile). In fact I'd advise not to.No one's stopping you.
Where?Well yeah, I posted my actual picture of Mo
Oh. It's something you made up, then. You're drawing a false equivalence between our counterpoints and MAGA's unevidenced denial of facts by putting words in people's mouths.The algorithm is like what MAGAs do, i.e. they'll follow a blatantly obvious script.
Concrete proof Trump did something?
- They've been paid to say that/their corrupt/etc
It's in my post history. I've kept it up for now.Where?
You post this, and then complain mightily that people are singling out Christianity, all while singling out Islam?! I'm confused.HenrySwanson wrote:
Because we have to resist religion's pernicious influence, whichever one it is. Did you watch Hitch's video? What did you think of the message?
I also posted a picture in response just now.It's in my post history. I've kept it up for now.
I don't think it's confusing.OK, I'm trying to follow this, and you guys are confusing the hell out of me. Mostly this:
You post this, and then complain mightily that people are singling out Christianity, all while singling out Islam?! I'm confused.
Brave:I also posted a picture in response just now.
What's your point? You challenged me to do something. I did it. The picture is freely available.Brave:
I can't be arsed. If you don't want to make a point on the thread, I'm not interested in watching another video to try and decipher what you're trying to say.For "balance", check out the trailer for "Sancta"