Israel, who really owns it?
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BlazinXtreme
I read somewhere that Israel was created out of an agreement with the UK and later US during the late 1800's and the early 1900's. During then, wealthy Jew businessmen helped finance US and UK war efforts against several countries in exchange for helping Jews help build their country. Obviously, US and UK didnt keep that promise until the WWII, because they were preoccupied with Japan, Nazi Germany and Mussolini Italy. But then after WWII those Jews begun to press US and UK to keep their forgotten promise, and at that time the world sympathized with them because of the Holocaust, so UN agreed to split up Palestine into Israel.
Thats what I remember
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BlazinXtreme
Actually, Japan had to pay reparations to the US (but not the Koreas, China, or Taiwan) and the full cost of the occupation of their own land. America didn't 'buy' or have to 'pay for' anything there.
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LOL yeah, UN was stupid in that one. Methinks that they were trying to establish themselves because they've been only in existance for 3 years at that time and was trying to earn some credibility.
(Rogue btw its OK to forget apostrophes, use lol or btw, but thats about it
I always do so; adjust it according to what kind of abbreviations other members are using and youll be fine 
)
at posts.
Rogue Ssv
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Alright heres what Ive found-Before the First World War Palestine was a district ruled by the Turkish Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans were defeated by Britain and its allies in the war.
After WWI Britain took control of Palestine, but there were too many troubles between the Arabs who lived there and Jews who wanted to live there too.
After the Second World War, Britain decided to let the UN decide what to do with Palestine.
The UN suggested separating Palestine into two countries, one Arab and one Jewish.
The Arab leaders said no to the plan, but the Jewish leaders accepted it and declared the state of Israel. The President of the United States gave his support to the new state.
However the Arab leaders were not happy. War broke out between and Israel's Arab neighbours, (including Egypt and Jordan) and the new country.
After months of intense fighting, Israel and her Arab neighbours agreed to stop the war. However relations between them were still tense and more wars followed.
Egypt's Arab? Wow this is fun AND educational!
@GT4_RULE--Well Im helping now and Im not leaving. I would because pointless posting is annoying but I wont
After WWI Britain took control of Palestine, but there were too many troubles between the Arabs who lived there and Jews who wanted to live there too.
After the Second World War, Britain decided to let the UN decide what to do with Palestine.
The UN suggested separating Palestine into two countries, one Arab and one Jewish.
The Arab leaders said no to the plan, but the Jewish leaders accepted it and declared the state of Israel. The President of the United States gave his support to the new state.
However the Arab leaders were not happy. War broke out between and Israel's Arab neighbours, (including Egypt and Jordan) and the new country.
After months of intense fighting, Israel and her Arab neighbours agreed to stop the war. However relations between them were still tense and more wars followed.
Egypt's Arab? Wow this is fun AND educational!
@GT4_RULE--Well Im helping now and Im not leaving. I would because pointless posting is annoying but I wont
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BlazinXtreme
You should look into the history of Guantanamo.
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BlazinXtreme
The Palestinian Muslims had no reason to hate the Zionists... it was the way the Zionists treated the Muslims that bred the hatred. There was a lot of anti-Semitism in Russia and Europe in the late 19th and early 20th century. From this, a small group of people decided that the safest thing to do would be to establish their own homeland. The location they chose was Palestine for its Biblical roots... despite the fact that Muslims already lived there.
Again, read up on "Deir Yassin" ... and how land was "acquired"... puts things into perspective.
Obviously there's a lot more to it than that... I'm trying to keep it short because I have to go.
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Rogue Ssv
A Zionist is a follower of Zionism.
Zionism is a Jewish movement that came up in the late 19th century (again, because of widespread anti-semitism) that wanted to create a homeland for Jewish people...
Rogue Ssv
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Authorities agree that the amount of land rightfully purchased from the Arabs by the Jews was about 6-7%. The article "The Jewish National Fund Land Purchase Methods and Priorities, 1924-1939" by Kenneth W. Stein states that "by May 1948 Jews acquired approximately 2,000,000 of Palestine’s 26,000,000 dunams." This is approximately 7.69% of the land, not 92%.
^^Yeah but are they counting the UNs purchase?
^^Yeah but are they counting the UNs purchase?
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Rogue Ssv:
1) Age isn’t an excuse; when you enter a discussion in the Opinions board, you are expected to know what you’re talking about, have valid data or reasoning for backing up your opinion, and to have at least a decent understanding of the broad issues being discussed. We’re not expecting anybody to have a PhD in History, but we also don’t expect people to barge in and ruin a thoughtful conversation.
2) Please don’t ask semi-trivial questions. It would have taken you two seconds to Google “definition of Zionist” or to look it up on Wikipedia.
I understand that you’re young and probably don’t get involved in heavy political debates, but keep in mind that that’s exactly what we’re doing here, so it’s a whole different ballgame than, say, talking about cars in GT4.
[edit]: Note that I took a long time to type this up, so I hadn’t seen your last 3 or 4 posts, which have been better.👍
1) Age isn’t an excuse; when you enter a discussion in the Opinions board, you are expected to know what you’re talking about, have valid data or reasoning for backing up your opinion, and to have at least a decent understanding of the broad issues being discussed. We’re not expecting anybody to have a PhD in History, but we also don’t expect people to barge in and ruin a thoughtful conversation.
2) Please don’t ask semi-trivial questions. It would have taken you two seconds to Google “definition of Zionist” or to look it up on Wikipedia.
I understand that you’re young and probably don’t get involved in heavy political debates, but keep in mind that that’s exactly what we’re doing here, so it’s a whole different ballgame than, say, talking about cars in GT4.
[edit]: Note that I took a long time to type this up, so I hadn’t seen your last 3 or 4 posts, which have been better.
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Rogue SsvAlright heres what Ive found-Before the First World War Palestine was a district ruled by the Turkish Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans were defeated by Britain and its allies in the war.
After WWI Britain took control of Palestine, but there were too many troubles between the Arabs who lived there and Jews who wanted to live there too.
After the Second World War, Britain decided to let the UN decide what to do with Palestine.
The UN suggested separating Palestine into two countries, one Arab and one Jewish.
The Arab leaders said no to the plan, but the Jewish leaders accepted it and declared the state of Israel. The President of the United States gave his support to the new state.
However the Arab leaders were not happy. War broke out between and Israel's Arab neighbours, (including Egypt and Jordan) and the new country.
After months of intense fighting, Israel and her Arab neighbours agreed to stop the war. However relations between them were still tense and more wars followed.
Egypt's Arab? Wow this is fun AND educational!
@GT4_RULE--Well Im helping now and Im not leaving. I would because pointless posting is annoying but I wont
Nailed it!
I say wtf sometimes; at the Funny Pics thread someone said "Major WTF" and didnt get busted for it so I think its OK.
But that doesnt mean that you can slack off around mods. Pays to be careful and nice to the mods!
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Rogue Ssv
The Jewish National Fund specified that land could not be sold (or even rented!!!) to Arabs. Some of the land that was "rightfully purchased" resulted in peasants getting kicked off the land; the rest of the (6-7% of the) land was flat out stolen.
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GT4_Rule
Precisely. But you have to understand the zeitgeist:
Many felt "entitled" to a homeland because of the atrocities committed during the Holocaust.
Keef
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You go to bed and come back tomorrow.
EDIT: Or not. Oh, and Rogue, there is a handy "edit" button in the corner of your post so you don;t have to keep making new posts. And you don't have to write "EDIT" like I did, unless you want people to know you edited it. But it has little green texties in the bottom once you edit anyway. Look down.
EDIT: Or not. Oh, and Rogue, there is a handy "edit" button in the corner of your post so you don;t have to keep making new posts. And you don't have to write "EDIT" like I did, unless you want people to know you edited it. But it has little green texties in the bottom once you edit anyway. Look down.
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keef
I should have went to bed 1/2 hour ago.
Good night.Similar threads
