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It's now March; where is our promised community update?
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For some reason, tonight, I can't see any online lobbies whatsoever. Strange, don't know why. Anyone else have this issue atm?
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- Moe Camel
Just checked, and I'm seeing lobbies. Not any huge number, but there are people in them.
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I'm thinking more as a "placeholder" deal, or possible carry-over from GT5. I don't know how these assets were made, but someone has to manage all the words in the game, and localisation at least is handled outside of PD (according to the credits), as is the website itself. Plenty of scope for cock-ups.
I'd say the fact that the image was changed shortly after it was first made public says quite a lot, and maybe racing mods were never meant to return.
Incidentally, I've always thought they were sub-par relative to what we should be able to do, but what I'm thinking of requires a substantial investment of ground-up work, much like the sound overhaul. There was also that "build your own car" comment some time ago.
That's not necessarily for GT6, in the end, but it hints at the direction PD are at least thinking, which, going by previous performance, implies that's also the direction they're working (even if it won't come off in the long run, such that we never see actual evidence of it). These things are always clearer in hindsight, of course, so one day it'll all make sense!
Yep, but who's pushing the limits of optimisation? Surely you can't put more bits through the silicon than it was theoretically designed for. At that point, you're basically working at the byte level, cleverly packaging instructions and data and taking advantage of esoteric behaviours of the physics governing the control of the processors. Or you're just saturating some draw call in a high-level API and saying "it's maxed out!".
There's a fundamental difference, and I think it's obvious which Kaz implies when talking about their battles with the juxtaposition of forward-thinking high-level computing paradigms and the somewhat backward on-chip coding requirements that the Cell represents.
I'm pretty sure that aesthetics are still king, just of a different kind. I remember playing some immensely compelling games in the '90s, in fact many of my all-time favourite games are from the '90s - I'd say "Dungeon Keeper" is a name that ought to illustrate the point nicely. Today's industry is consistently failing to deliver upon the promise that was shown at that time, a time when technology was just about allowing greater levels of "realism", and thus a departure from the traditional "computer-based" programming and mechanical / game design ethics (that evolved from board games, which themselves evolved from truly ancient "games"), into the more cinematic approach that now dominates. (Sound is an area I'm most familiar with in this respect; it's all event and sample based, nothing had changed in that regard since the '90s - well, things are moving forward now at last, with middleware companies finally getting the message and encouraging non-technical developer types to evolve toolsets and processes into more sensible systems for the possibilities today's hardware offers.)
This "cinematic" domination, obviously heavily influenced by the film industry (every game design team is supposedly headed by a failed film director), is to my eyes ultimately because of the trend to a general homogeneity of experience (which players are encouraging), and games being distinguished by brand rather than true creative intent and player-driven interactions. That's as opposed to film-like scripted experiences that are easier to create and control to ensure the player "gets", but are experientially shallow by comparison. There are many exceptions, certainly, but the trend is obvious.
How do racing games fit into that? Well, the cinematic part is obvious if you've played a recent Codemasters game, or something like Shift or Horizon etc. For sims, the demand for homogeneity between "rivals" (they ought to be complementary products, really, to suit different tastes) is causing the ambition and untapped potential in the genre to wane from sight somewhat. "No BMW E30 M3? No dice." No sense, more like. There is so much more to automotive culture and motorsport to be explored in video games than what is currently lauded as the gold standard.
Where does GT fit into that? We won't know until the fullness of time, but our not being aware of PD's plans does not mean they don't have any. I would much rather see what interesting, scary or potentially disastrous direction PD will go of their own volition than simply force them to be like everyone else. As long as Sony is happy to fund that (they are probably aware of the long term plans), there surely can't be a problem!
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I had a €20 PSN card lying around ever since GT6 came out since we were promised monthly DLC. After 3 months of false promises I decided to spend it all on different games yesterday. Not planning on buying a new one until the game gets finished. And then it's a matter of the DLC actually being good...
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The picture was changed 2 or 3 times before they covered the RM/race machine wording and it was months after being public.I'm thinking more as a "placeholder" deal, or possible carry-over from GT5. I don't know how these assets were made, but someone has to manage all the words in the game, and localisation at least is handled outside of PD (according to the credits), as is the website itself. Plenty of scope for cock-ups.
I'd say the fact that the image was changed shortly after it was first made public says quite a lot, and maybe racing mods were never meant to return.
Incidentally, I've always thought they were sub-par relative to what we should be able to do, but what I'm thinking of requires a substantial investment of ground-up work, much like the sound overhaul. There was also that "build your own car" comment some time ago.
That's not necessarily for GT6, in the end, but it hints at the direction PD are at least thinking, which, going by previous performance, implies that's also the direction they're working (even if it won't come off in the long run, such that we never see actual evidence of it). These things are always clearer in hindsight, of course, so one day it'll all make sense!
They were first released at the beginning of november I believe and the current picture was not in place til sometime last month IIRC.
Do you remember the picture with the damaged land rover in GT auto? That was fixed in days, though I suspect it's because that was a much more obvious mistake.
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I am sure, we'll get it just a month after we'll get the "January"-update (online/community features).
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Ah, my apologies. It's still possible it took them until now to realise they done goofed (small-size English-language text). Or maybe plans changed, or they got embarrassed by it taking too long (whatever "it" is, if anything).
I do remember the magically repaired Evoque, and have to wonder somewhat at the like-for-like-ness of the swap - again, I don't know how those materials are made, but I presume access to the game (a dev build most likely) is required. Somebody clearly went back in and made that alteration with the specific intent of only changing the (representation of the) damaged state and the menu options.
Now, what's even more interesting to consider, is what could possibly have been the motivation to have that functionality in that build (the apparently persistent damage, I mean. I suppose it could just have been a dev tool: the "damagedness" texture-based lighting normal perturbation effect exposed and tweakable)? And what, then, was the motivation for removing evidence of it after said explicit showing of it in marketing material?
Looking at the "racing modification" thing again in that light, something's up, I reckon.
It sort of ties into my thoughts about PD's apparently only re-meshing (some of) the "Standards" body panels, and not much else.
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- mrsmartical
I find something odd though.
Even with all this delayed content. And me gettig my hopes up all week long. I cant stop playing the game. I have other games i want to play but cant for some reason...
Anyone else?
Even with all this delayed content. And me gettig my hopes up all week long. I cant stop playing the game. I have other games i want to play but cant for some reason...
Anyone else?
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- omgsean1
Hmm... Maybe possible you can play AC4 Black Flag or other games?
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- KCCO
First of all, BMW doesn't make a V10 for anything anymore... So that eliminates his conquest to fame..
Just got back to my room after school and such. My apologies after reading that second post and so on, but it was a rant that shouldn't have been here...
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Fixed... 👍 M5 sounds are matched only by a handful of cars
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No me so much but I certainly get how GT 6 still has some hooks as there is great authenticity in it.
I still gasp when I see Willow springs load, its so remarkably authentic. It really is a league above any track in other games, even some of its own... I genuinely feel like I'm there and having been their many many times is just remarkable.
But the interaction with this GT version or driving (no pun) motivations are what wear out way to fast. There is simply not as much to do, and worse, half those things not there and are just vapor until we hear otherwise.
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Wow.... So the post I made in the official Sony thread was closed without mention. Although they say no petitions are allowed, they also state for their first rule that anyone can voice anything within limits....
PD shuts out any negative externalities that affect them... Absolutely great..
I'm going to make another thread..
PD shuts out any negative externalities that affect them... Absolutely great..
I'm going to make another thread..
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Have fun getting banned.
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Still, a missed 'deadline', "coming in February", is a missed deadline. PD's credibility will only keep going down the longer they remain silent.
Frankly, I don't care about the BMW VGT, all I want at the moment is Zahara (new content) & bug fixes (self-explanatory). A premium JZA80 would be nice, but we all know PD can't produce standard-to-premium conversions fast enough. GT5 only saw 1 worthy conversion in my memory, the Jaguar XJR-9, even though they 'claimed' to do more.
Just like they 'claimed' we'd see results in February.
But hey, 4 hours and 11 minutes are left (as of this post), technically.
If PD delivers all expected content in a high-enough quality, I'll eat a hat or something
Frankly, I don't care about the BMW VGT, all I want at the moment is Zahara (new content) & bug fixes (self-explanatory). A premium JZA80 would be nice, but we all know PD can't produce standard-to-premium conversions fast enough. GT5 only saw 1 worthy conversion in my memory, the Jaguar XJR-9, even though they 'claimed' to do more.
Just like they 'claimed' we'd see results in February.
But hey, 4 hours and 11 minutes are left (as of this post), technically.
If PD delivers all expected content in a high-enough quality, I'll eat a hat or something
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Try again. As in, you've made a logical leap too far.
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Did it... Here's the link
http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/Gran-Turismo-Series-General/Please-read-my-plea/td-p/43043879
http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/Gran-Turismo-Series-General/Please-read-my-plea/td-p/43043879
I'll make as many accounts as I can on 11 different ip addresses that I own..
Hmm...?
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First you say your thread on the official Sony forums was closed, and then you somehow attribute this to PD's supposed yes-man culture, which presumably you made up. A Sony employee closed your thread, not PD, and they'll have done it because it contravenes whatever standards they have, not because you dare criticise a game.
Seeing that second thread of yours, it's not hard to see why it might be closed also. You come across as defiant, which isn't great as first impressions go. Then you don't even say what the issue is, aside from "lack of communication" (pretty ironic) and then direct traffic to some other website. So yeah, spam.
You say you're a human being, you should remember that the people you're wanting to communicate with are also human beings, despite the big bad corporate badge.
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I'm going to point this out one more time... after that, you only have yourselves to blame...
Jordan said he has had confirmation from SCEA that the update is coming but there is no time-frame attached to that.
He has also been informed that the new VGT content will be available within 7 days.
These two events are not related.
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