Japanese Earthquake Relief DLC

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...I opposed to help the Japanese with a donation. Is not like we are friendly with their government.
...they will probably take advantage like many other organisation do in these situations. Let's say you donate $10 they will give back $0.10.

Ps. I hate the fact most people hate the US but when they are in trouble we need to go help them. Did any country gave us money during Katrina?

Not to be mean but our economy is not in good shape as to give money away, I rather put it into my country.

Dude, there's so much wrong with everything you say.

1) The Japanese government are one of our biggest allies.
2) Have you been outside the US to say most people hate the US? I have been to South America, Caribbean, Europe, Africa and Asia, most people admire the US and some are jealous of us. What they hate are the ugly Americans who behave like asses. Yes, some do hate us, but in my experience it's not most people.
3) We don't need to help countries in trouble, but we do it for a number of reasons, one because it's expected since we are a rich country, two because it benefits us too.
4) Yes, lots of countries helped the US is many ways. Mexico sent a whole mobile hospital, for example. Other countries helped in many different ways.
5) Our economy is still better than most of the rest of the world, even Japan, they've been in a slump for a loooong time.
6) What have you done to improve your country? I'm not saying you haven't done anything, but put your hands where you mouth is.

Get some facts before you type diarrhea all over the forum here.
 
For the folks who insist that the donations should be given freely, probably everyone agrees with this in principle. The reality is, providing something as a 'seed' is very effective at fundraising.

But if your principles are so strong, I'm sure that when the Girl Scouts show up at your door, you write them a check for 50 bucks and say "No cookies for me, thanks". And when school groups are raising money, you drive up to their car wash and say "Here's 10 bucks -- no car wash for me today, thanks." And by all means, never buy a raffle ticket for something being given away by a charity. That would be heinous.

That simply isn't realistic. If all you relied on for fundraising was random gifts from strangers, you'd see a very high failure rate of fundraising projects, and many good causes would never get served.

Seriously, reconsider your stance on this, and stop blasting those who would get behind it.
 
As regards Katrina, charity should have begun at home on that one. The domestic response to what happened was the disgrace, not the world response. It was shocking that so much time later the place was still a disaster zone, in one of richest countries in the world.

The Japanese at least appear to be mobilising quickly and working efficiently to sort this out unlike America post Katrina. I bet there's no looting either.
 
Every idea has its pro's and cons. I think this is a good idea and I would definitely purchase the DLC even if I didn't like the cars that came with it.
 
For the last time. US != (not equal) World. And no, we are not the world police either (nor any single country out there want us to be). People outside US hate US because, well just look at how you (us Americans) talked to them.

International response to Hurricane Katrina

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina
I never said that the US is the World Police. I am not racist or anything of the nature and don't talk down to people.
Article of Katrina
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801113_pf.html

My country gave the US aid for Katrina.

And tax dollars already paid are not a charitable effort. Charity is giving from what you own. Don't wait for your government to donate for you. Be selfless not selfish.
I never mention tax dollars. I am not selfish, I donate $500 to Red Cross each year. Like I mention before I was in an accident in 2002 and they pretty much saved my life. Therefore I have donated about $4000 in last 8 years. I also donate around $300 in food and about $100 to our local Animal Shelter. I have other charities I do but are from $50 to $200 worth(ex. Highway Patrol). My favorite charity is St. Jude's Children's Hospital, as a proud father of two I love kids. Thank good my children are fine and healthy but I honestly wish wellbeing to those children that are in need.

https://shop.stjude.org/GiftCatalog/donation.do?cID=13522&pID=18290&fnl=FaceSuperNav

What the hell? Japan and the US are good buddies - very close allies.
Saying Japan is a very close allied is false. We do business with them and they make a ton of money for us from cheap labor and such. This would be like saying China(Communist) is our ally. We have nothing against them because they welcome our business.

Dude, there's so much wrong with everything you say.

1) The Japanese government are one of our biggest allies.
2) Have you been outside the US to say most people hate the US? I have been to South America, Caribbean, Europe, Africa and Asia, most people admire the US and some are jealous of us. What they hate are the ugly Americans who behave like asses. Yes, some do hate us, but in my experience it's not most people.
3) We don't need to help countries in trouble, but we do it for a number of reasons, one because it's expected since we are a rich country, two because it benefits us too.
4) Yes, lots of countries helped the US is many ways. Mexico sent a whole mobile hospital, for example. Other countries helped in many different ways.
5) Our economy is still better than most of the rest of the world, even Japan, they've been in a slump for a loooong time.
6) What have you done to improve your country? I'm not saying you haven't done anything, but put your hands where you mouth is.
Get some facts before you type diarrhea all over the forum here.
1. Already answered
2. I have been to England, Spain, Italy, Portugal, France, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Turkey, Romania, Greece, Netherlands, South Africa, Egipt, Japan, China, Mexico, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Brasil and Argentina. Sorry if I left any out. You are correct that the majority don't hate us but their is great number of those that do. Mexicans in general hate us but they don't show it in front of our face since its business.
3. Totally agree
4. Really fond of Mexico, so no comments.
5. Agree
6. A few things, I mostly help my community, but as an individual I cant do much for my country.

I express my opinion as an individual so there is no way I'm wrong.
My great grandfather was killed in WWII by Japanese does that make them bad? NO
Do I have anything against them? Not that I know.
Fact: I studied at UCR were Asians are a majority. I have about 4 Japanese friend and was surprised by their lack of interest of this catastrophe.

Why am I against a DLC? Simple in 2005 me and 8 other people gathered $12,000 for a foster shelter In Mexicali,MX with the help from our local Wal-Mart, Elks Lodge and Toys R Us. We bought toys from both stores to take them to the shelter. This was probably one of the most fulfilling days in my life. We bought them 3 32' LCD's, 2PS3, 2XBOX360's and 4Wii's plus many toys and Clothe's. Everyone was happy and overall a really nice day. Fast forward 8 months, we went to do a follow up and guess what happened?


None of the electronics we took were there. People running the shelter had stolen everything, we filed a Police report but they did nothing about it. There went our good cause.

If your going to donate the Red Cross is the way to go!!:)

I repeat I hope everyone is fine and I don't wish bad on anyone. Also try to donate to which any cause you see fit, remember is tax free money if you donate. 👍
 
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Saying Japan is a very close allied is false. We do business with them and they make a ton of money for us from cheap labor and such. This would be like saying China(Communist) is our ally. We have nothing against them because they welcome our business.

Why am I against a DLC? Simple in 2005 me and 8 other people gathered $12,000 for a foster shelter In Mexicali,MX with the help from our local Wal-Mart, Elks Lodge and Toys R Us. We bought toys from both stores to take them to the shelter. This was probably one of the most fulfilling days in my life. We bought them 3 32' LCD's, 2PS3, 2XBOX360's and 4Wii's plus many toys and Clothe's. Everyone was happy and overall a really nice day. Fast forward 8 months, we went to do a follow up and guess what happened?


None of the electronics we took were there. People running the shelter had stolen everything, we filed a Police report but they did nothing about it. There went our good cause.

If your going to donate the Red Cross is the way to go!!:)

I repeat I hope everyone is fine and I don't wish bad on anyone. Also try to donate to which any cause you see fit, remember is tax free money if you donate. 👍

I have a few issues with some of your statements here.

1. Japan and the US are close allies. The US has military bases in Japan. Yes? Does the US have any military bases in China. Not to my knowledge. There is no debate that USA and Japan are close allies, it's a fact.

2. Because you donated to charity in Mexico and corrupt people stole your donations you say you would not donate to Japan. I'm sure you realise that Mexico would have a very high level of corruption, whereas Japan would have an extremely low level of corruption.

I agree with your sentiment that donating to the Red Cross is a fine idea.
 
I have a few issues with some of your statements here.

1. Japan and the US are close allies. The US has military bases in Japan. Yes? Does the US have any military bases in China. Not to my knowledge. There is no debate that USA and Japan are close allies, it's a fact.

2. Because you donated to charity in Mexico and corrupt people stole your donations you say you would not donate to Japan. I'm sure you realise that Mexico would have a very high level of corruption, whereas Japan would have an extremely low level of corruption.

I agree with your sentiment that donating to the Red Cross is a fine idea.

1. I respect your opinion. The reality is there is still a lot of resentment from Japanese people towards the US and hopefully our aid helps change some opinions. I believe their resentment was justified for the Atomic Bombs and I have never heard of a country that is happy from having a US military base in their land. Those bases are a direct effect from us winning the War.
I believe this song expresses the resentment some have towards us although I don't agree with much of the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWrlbRdJsSE

2. Unfortunately that is the case. We did another one 2007 but this went for a foster shelter in El Centro, CA unfortunately we only collected $1,500 and people didn't help as they were informed of what had happened to the previous one. I'm not sure if I will donate for this cause from my wallet, but my wife already donated $50 to the Red Cross this evening.
 
You only care cause PD is a company based in japan.
Didnt hear anyone talk about the pakastani floods and what happened in australia.

Honestly, you people are sick :indiff:
 
You only care cause PD is a company based in japan.
Didnt hear anyone talk about the pakastani floods and what happened in australia.

Honestly, you people are sick :indiff:

Sad is that a KCAL news reporter was excited of the event because it was going to bring them high ratings. She invited my wife Friday to Rodeo Dr. to go get a new suit for her On-Air appearance. :odd::ill::crazy::scared::ouch: Of course I did not let my wife go.

Sorry I never heard of the Pakastani floods or Australia
 
Sad is that a KCAL news reporter was excited of the event because it was going to bring them high ratings. She invited my wife Friday to Rodeo Dr. to go get a new suit for her On-Air appearance. :odd::ill::crazy::scared::ouch: Of course I did not let my wife go.

Sorry I never heard of the Pakastani floods or Australia

Don't know much about Pakistan but for Australia; Queensland suffered one of the worst floods in history where 75% of the state was deemed a disaster area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–2011_Queensland_floods

Don't forget Christchurch, New Zealand, they coped it very bad;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Christchurch_earthquake
 
I think its a good idea. have to be careful on the cars, i mean, a special James Bond 007 Lotus Esprit may be insensitive (it changes to a submarine) maybe even a car with a custom livery with the various relief charities logos on, maybe even do individual cars for £/$ 0.99/1.49.


also, a lot of relief aid was given to the 2005 asian tsunami, Haaiti quake and the australian quake from last month. people like Nicole Kidman and Hugh Jackman also made large donations to previous disasters in australia so with Sony/PD being a japanese company with a good fan base then it would be a good way to get a global donation pot established and as OP mentioned, more people are likely to 'donate' by buying the dlc that going out their way a charity site and paying to donate.


p.s If OP is on Facebook why not create a group called 'GT5 DLC for Japan Quake Aid' (or summat along them lines) and post his idea there with a link to it on here for us all to 'Like' it then post the group link on GT5s official Facebook page
 
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^^^^^^ I found that really helpful with one exception
"Turn 10 pledges to donate $10 to Save the Children up to $100,000"
For some reason I find that disturbing. So if the they make 200,000 they keep 100,000 or they could donate $10 and keep $199,990.

There should be a Law were they have to state the percentage of their donation.
 
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You only care cause PD is a company based in japan.
Didnt hear anyone talk about the pakastani floods and what happened in australia.

Honestly, you people are sick :indiff:

Well this is a Forum about GT5.
 
TB
Why is everyone so set on the Chromeline and Stealth cars as DLC? If you wanted them, you should have purchased the Collector or Signature Editions.

Well I for one bought the limited edition and wouldn't mind people having the chrome cars if they paid for them as DLC, also I didn't get any stealth car even though my game was preordered at Best Buy and couldn't really argue since it was actually purchased by my sister and I don't live anywhere near where she lives to go to the store and actually do something about it.

The idea really sounds great I really think thy should do it since it gets money for a good cause and I do think some people will buy it only for the cars and some others to help out, but bottom line what's the difference, the money is getting there anyways.
 
Good idea! I never trust these organizations where you spent money... I bet you spent 100$ and they keep 90$ for themselves...

Look at Haiti... I think with that money people spent to Haiti, they could make a new country there but I don´t see any changes in Haiti...
 
Some people seem to be sceptical of corporations, and I can understand that view perfectly. However, most large corporations like Sony(who own PD) are publicly listed companies, thus most of their financial information is available to the public. Admittedly most people won't have the time or patience to go digging through financial disclosure statements(which all publicly listed companies are required to file under law). Rest assured their competitors lawyers spend much time looking through these documents, and if they found any wrongdoing the competition would be the first to publicise it.

Now, lets say PD(Sony) did release a DLC pack, with all proceeds to be donated to victims of the earthquake, apart from their costs(which as a corporation they are legally obligated to cover on behalf of shareholders). Imagine the loss of reputation and the bad will the company would generate if it kept the majority of the money raised. The press would have a field day. Headline -"Greedy Sony Kept Money Intended for Victims".

The amount of money made from such an endeavour would not even go close to covering the costs of the negative publicity, and no major corporation would risk their reputation in such a way. Sony's a Japanese company, if they ripped off the Japanese people in their time of need, in order to make a small profit, the outrage would ruin the company.
 
TB
Why is everyone so set on the Chromeline and Stealth cars as DLC? If you wanted them, you should have purchased the Collector or Signature Editions.

I dont think it wouldve been worth it though to drop that much on a half ass game just to get 3 or 4 cars you know???

This is a better idea than that
 
1. I respect your opinion. The reality is there is still a lot of resentment from Japanese people towards the US and hopefully our aid helps change some opinions. I believe their resentment was justified for the Atomic Bombs and I have never heard of a country that is happy from having a US military base in their land. Those bases are a direct effect from us winning the War.
I believe this song expresses the resentment some have towards us although I don't agree with much of the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWrlbRdJsSE

Dude, you really need to get out more. I studied, worked, lived in Japan. I am not even going to waste my time explaining the world to you. Great observational science you got there. Such as your statement on lack of foreign assistance during Katrina.

And the proof of resentment from Japanese is a song from a Punk Rock AMERICAN band?


Observational Science: If I didn't see or know it, then it mustn't happen.

Example 1: If a tree fell and didn't fall in America, did that tree really fall?
Example 2: Global warming is a hoax because it's very cold this winter.
 
Because more of your "donation" goes to the cause if you just give Red Cross a check.

Secondly, people are making ridiculous excuses. Somehow people are able to get to the store, buy a PSN card, and then download something, but are unable to mail a check?

Thirdly, instead of asking the people we want to help to give us new stuff in exchange for help, why don't we just help them?
What do you think will generate more money on this forum:
1) someone advertises red cross
2) someone advertises dlc that whose proceeds go to red cross

Even if only 50% of the money from the DLC actually goes to the red cross, it will still almost definately generate more money for the charity. And having DLC isn't preventing anyone from donating directly to red cross. Certainly a few people may not donate directly and just donate via DLC purchases, but at the end of the day, the DLC purchases almost definately generate money that the japanese people otherwise wouldn't get.

Secondly, people aren't making ridiculous excuses. When someone wants to give money away, they tend to do it in the easiest fashion. Some people don't care about the money they're donating, but time may be something they don't want to waste. So why is it wrong to say DLC purchases are easier and thus they are more likely to donate using them? I mean I already have PSN points, so a DLC purchase would take literally seconds...

And to your last point, yes that is ideal. But not everyone in the world is altruistic. This is to appeal to everyone that isn't. Like I said, this wouldn't stop anyone from donating directly to red cross. Knock yourself out.

EDIT: I mean there is a reason why every single major company (when doing charitable endeavours) tend to say "blah cents of the purchase of blah goes to blah charity" instead of saying "donate money to blah here". It just makes more money for the charity at the end of the day. Why is that a bad thing? Again, intention means literally nothing here. It is all about generating money for the people in japan. And PD could generate more with DLC than it would if it just advertised on everyones PS3 to donate money to red cross.
 
Dude, you really need to get out more. I studied, worked, lived in Japan. I am not even going to waste my time explaining the world to you. Great observational science you got there. Such as your statement on lack of foreign assistance during Katrina.

And the proof of resentment from Japanese is a song from a Punk Rock AMERICAN band?


Observational Science: If I didn't see or know it, then it mustn't happen.

Example 1: If a tree fell and didn't fall in America, did that tree really fall?
Example 2: Global warming is a hoax because it's very cold this winter.

???????????????????? I guess you didn't get the point.. I could careless if it is an American Punk Rock band, the message was important which you failed to see. :confused:

Katrina is an example of this.
Dude: "Bro, if you never need anything give me a call"
Bro: Hey dude, can I borrow $100 I need to pay rent
Dude: "Sorry Bro I don't have money"

I never studied in Japan or lived there but I did visit the country for 3 months during the 2002 World Cup. Thanks for not giving me an explanation of the world; I don't need it, specially not from you.

The burden of Okinawa
http://www.beinformedjournal.com/be...protest-against-okinawa-us-military-base.html

"In Japan, objections to the behavior and presence of American military personnel are sometimes reported as anti-Americanism, such as the 1995 Okinawan rape incident. The ongoing U.S. military presence in Okinawa remains a contentious issue in Japan.
While protests have arisen over specific incidents, they are often reflective of deeper historical resentments. Robert Hathaway, director of the Wilson Center's Asia program, suggests: "the growth of anti-American sentiment in both Japan and South Korea must be seen not simply as a response to American policies and actions, but as reflective of deeper domestic trends and developments within these Asian countries." In Japan, a variety of threads have contributed to anti-Americanism in the post-war era, including pacifism on the left, nationalism on the right, and opportunistic worries over American influence in Japanese economic life"


http://books.google.com/books?id=EB...en#v=onepage&q=Japan anti-Americanism&f=false

The Japanese and American government have never been in the best terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_–_United_States_relations#New_Millennium:_A_stronger_alliance

In Economic their Good. Government wise we are still not there.

Also I'm a Bio-Chemist and that is not Science.

I will no longer answer to you so feel free to reply away. Somehow you always reply to me in any thread.
 
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Now that you mention Katrina, let me remind you that Mexico sent a lot of help, our army went up there unarmed and was helping people out, they were serving food, and stuff.

Guess what? Thousands of Americans complained because our army was there. They didn't care if they were there helping out people, and unarmed... It was their stupid pride hurting, because for the first time in the USA history, a foreign army was in their territory.

So, guess nobody likes foreign armies in their country. Especially when that country devastated you in WW2, and maintains a military base there to remind you... So I understand Japanese people there.

Would the USA people think different if the roles were inverted?
 
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Thanks and I knew of those events and were shameful. Like I said before I'm really fond of Mexico specially since my wife is from Mexican descent. I love going to Mexico and visit the country often.

Anti-Americanism Erupts Like a Volcano in Japan
http://watchingamerica.com/News/54854/anti-americanism-erupts-like-a-volcano-in-japan/

I cant believe people honestly believe we have a close ally in them. A commercial ally is all we have.
 
u also have to be careful about donating online. various websites take a cut of what u send and in the UK especially, the people collecting money with the tins round towns and outside shops can keep upto 90% of the money u give them for themselves, they just have to have it stated on their ID how much they are going to take. there was an interesting article on teh moneysavingexpert.com website regarding donations and u could use a tool to help find websites that kept the smallest fee.
When poepel think of giving to charity they dont realise that collecting for charity is a big business, a woman who used to come into shop where i worked in local town was talking to me once and she could make upto £90per day so if she did a normal 9-5, 5 days a week she'd be earning more than most folk do sat in an office
 
The burden of Okinawa
http://www.beinformedjournal.com/be...protest-against-okinawa-us-military-base.html

"In Japan, objections to the behavior and presence of American military personnel are sometimes reported as anti-Americanism, such as the 1995 Okinawan rape incident. The ongoing U.S. military presence in Okinawa remains a contentious issue in Japan.


Can't you believe that? Those jerks hate us for no good reason?

???????????????????? I guess you didn't get the point.. I could careless if it is an American Punk Rock band, the message was important which you failed to see. :confused: Katrina is an example of this.

No. I don't see it. Enlighten me. An AMERICAN punk rock band from CALIFORNIA named NOFX with members Fat Mike, El Hefe, Eric Melvin, Erik Sandin have a song called Kill All the White Man and it's a proof of resentment from JAPANESE? How do I miss that important massage. It's as clear as FK in the coffee...

Anti-Americanism Erupts Like a Volcano in Japan
http://watchingamerica.com/News/54854/anti-americanism-erupts-like-a-volcano-in-japan/

I cant believe people honestly believe we have a close ally in them. A commercial ally is all we have.

Did you even read the article?


The Japanese believe it was extremely unfair for the United States to make such a big fuss out of the Toyota incident, including making Toyota frontman Akio Toyoda apologize and put up with harsh criticism at American Congressional hearings. Ford once recalled 1.5 million cars, but the American government simply turned a deaf ear.

Hundreds of thousands of Japanese investors who lost every penny after buying toxic American bonds didn’t even hear a word of apology from Uncle Sam.

The exchange rate between the yen and the dollar is completely controlled by the U.S.

Japan unconditionally purchases hazardous beef from America.

Japan is not allowed to sell American bonds that were purchased because of a trade surplus.

Japanese authorities can’t even protest when American soldiers rape local school girls.

Can you believe that? Those Japanese jerks hate us for no reason again!!! Do you know why the rest of the world hate Americans now? It's because our ATTITUDE.
 
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Thanks and I knew of those events and were shameful. Like I said before I'm really fond of Mexico specially since my wife is from Mexican descent. I love going to Mexico and visit the country often.

Anti-Americanism Erupts Like a Volcano in Japan
http://watchingamerica.com/News/54854/anti-americanism-erupts-like-a-volcano-in-japan/

I cant believe people honestly believe we have a close ally in them. A commercial ally is all we have.

Good to know you like Mexico. :)

Exactly. Americans think that any country with economic wealth, and somehow democratic is their ally. Not the case. The Japanese just make money, it is business, as well as the USA does.

Nobody in the world is an ally just because, it is primarily for economic reasons, sad but true.
 
No, I don't believe there are people who really can't. You live so remote where you are 4000 km away from everyone? New York to LA is 4000 km. North America is 4000 km wide. 4000 km from the east coast will put you in UK and 4000 km from the west coast will put you in Russia. So where exactly in Canada can you live?

It's so remote but somehow has enough population to have a Wal-mart? There are post offices, right? Even a town of 3 has a post office. Want to mail a check to Red Cross?

Wait, you don't have a checking account. Post office sells money order. If there's a will, there's ALWAYS a way. You find a way to add points to your PSN account while EVERYTHING there close at 6. Next excuse please.

Edit: You can also MoneyGram at Walmart to Red Cross.

Apparently you misread what I said,I said I live 4000kms away from everyone I'm associated with http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=wl more than 4000 apparently.Its not a remote city at all,its a town of 15,000 with a service area of 80,000 if you must know.I said everything besides walmart closes at 6pm,mail closes at 4pm.I find a way to get PSN cards because walmart is open until 11pm like I already said which you also apparently didn't read.As for the moneygram I have no idea what that is but thank you for suggesting it and if they have it I will do it.Like I also said,see it how you want to it doesn't make any difference to me and you not believing me won't alter my life any.
 
Apparently you misread what I said,I said I live 4000kms away from everyone I'm associated with http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=wl more than 4000 apparently.Its not a remote city at all,its a town of 15,000 with a service area of 80,000 if you must know.I said everything besides walmart closes at 6pm,mail closes at 4pm.I find a way to get PSN cards because walmart is open until 11pm like I already said which you also apparently didn't read.As for the moneygram I have no idea what that is but thank you for suggesting it and if they have it I will do it.Like I also said,see it how you want to it doesn't make any difference to me and you not believing me won't alter my life any.

If there's a will, there's ALWAYS a way. If you are really serious about donating, you would've figured that out already. I am sure your town has more than 1 post office. A check in the mail will do.

My family is in Hong Kong and a company in Japan pay for my salary here as a resident. I am 10,000 miles or 16,000 km from everyone I associate with. But last I check, I still live in New York.
 
If there's a will, there's ALWAYS a way. If you are really serious about donating, you would've figured that out already. I am sure your town has more than 1 post office. A check in the mail will do.

My family is in Hong Kong and a company in Japan pay for my salary here as a resident. I am 10,000 miles or 16,000 km from everyone I associate with. But last I check, I still live in New York.

The town has 3 post office's,that doesn't change the fact that THEY CLOSE AT 4PM for the third time.I do not have checks as I already said as well,I already told you I will be looking into the moneygram so there is no need to continue repeating the first sentence every time you reply to me,I got it the first time thanks.
What does your second paragraph have to do with anything?you said before to use a credit card or get someone I know to let me borrow theirs,I was explaining to you why that doesn't work not asking you what country pays your salary or where you live.
 
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