Just Raced Under The New Algorithms and Rules

[tofuhero]

I believe training sets can be gathered from numerous contexts to include real life motorsports, not just game footage. I'm not an expert here, but integrating GTS' current telemetry which allows features like ghosting, PD may not be too far off.

Maybe so, though someone would have to go through every race incident and provide data to the system on who was in the right and who was in the wrong. That's the only way for the system to generalize that learning and apply it to our races. It would probably need thousands of incidents to be comprehensive. Given how (IMO) little attention PD has given Sport mode compared to other parts of the game, I'm skeptical that they would invest so much effort. But hey, I'd love to be surprised. It potentially could be a much better solution than thousands of lines of codes trying to account for the myriad different situations that occur during races.

 

[Nick Cannella]

Hitler plays GT Sport post-patch.

http://captiongenerator.com/922322/Hitler-plays-GT-Sport-postpatch

Enjoy?

This is hilarious! Enjoy? Hell yeah!

 

[rex1825]

...they need to get into game drive through pit.

 

[Outspacer]

If a racer has obtained their ranking whether DR or SR racing at their realistic skill level and has not gained their ranking level through gaming the penalty system using bulldozer driving tactics there is no doubt in my mind that such racer has the skillset to repeat the needed performance to maintain or if needed regain their correct ranking.

The only racers that I can see not being able to maintain their current ranking are drivers who on a regular basis are making moves that result in penalties whether it be contacting other cars or cutting corners and in the past negated such acts by scrubbing off penalties with little to no reduction in pace and gaining positions due to their breaking the rules.

In the past the penalties had no teeth and rarely cost an offender anything over a race distance and yes some players knew exactly how to manipulate and game the system to their maximum advantage.

How many times in the past I would have a racer dive bomb the inside of a corner, hit me the driver on the outside and gain the position and receive no penalty while I being the "innocent" driver would get a 4 or 5 second penalty in addition to being rammed and the guilty party gained a position in the race to boot!

You are damned right I am glad they changed the penalty system to quit rewarding such behavior.

Ah, sounds like I misunderstood what you were saying before. I'm sorry.

Of course I didn't care for the previous system much either, but at least it was relatively harmless for clean racers since the time penalty could usually be scrubbed off. If now both get a time penalty, and it can't be scrubbed, that's a step in the wrong direction.

When I'm hit, I take the view that: it's happened, let me get on, and hopefully the dirty racer will be grouped into a different race next time. If they get that right, I couldn't give a damn about punishing the dirty ones with a time penalty.

I think currently the penalties are a little stiff for incidental contact BUT the game has allowed manipulation of the penalty system for so long it in my opinion takes this sort of strictness to begin changing the way people approach what is acceptable and what is not as far as contact on an overtake.

I have found that the races I have done since the change have for the first time since the holidays been where the dive bombing and ramming with bulldozer overtaking tactics have been reduced back to a level that makes the races more enjoyable than anytime in the last 6 or so weeks.

So I am fine with the penalties compared to what the racing had become without them. Does that clearly spell out my thoughts on the new 2 second penalty?

I wouldn't be so quick to thank the time penalties, since PD have changed multiple things at the same time. It would seem that they've also made quite a large change to how much -SR comes from collisions. So honestly, I think the change you've noticed could be because those dive-bombers etc have been punted down to a lower SR rank as they should.

I had posted much earlier in the thread what my DR level was. I am DR B and SR S.

I am not at DR S or A so I do not know what the difference in the penalty may be. I can say that the higher a racers ranking the better that racer should be in all facets of car control and race craft over a lower ranked player.

If the standards are not higher why have different rankings? A racer in a pro class of IMSA is going to be expected to be at a higher skill level and make better racing decisions over a club racer racing in local club level events. Should be no difference in the game.

I would have no problem if PD were to separate the higher class of racers where the penalties were stiffer from the lower class of racers which the penalties were more lax.

So, it's possible at DR B that you aren't suffering as much as DR A & S. People who've played at both levels are calling it a night and day difference.

The problem with saying "a higher class" is that there isn't one as such. DR is a continuous scale from 1 to 75000. Matchmaking doesn't prefer to make races that are exclusively "higher class" racers when it means fewer participants, instead it prefers to fill races up with lower level players. So something corresponding to a pro class of IMSA doesn't exist in GTS.

(It can hardly ever fill a race with all DR A & S even at peak times currently, so it doesn't have much choice).

That means wherever you draw a line between "higher class" and the rest, there will be races with players either side of that line, which is a never going to end well if they are playing by different penalty schemes.

Safety is a concern at every level of motorsport. Lower classes aren't excused for reckless behaviour because their skill set is lower.

I have stated I feel the current difference in the penalties for the upper classes is to actually separate out the true "S" rated racers who have the skillset to race in close proximity with virtually no contact at best to absolute minimum contact at worst.

I do not think PD wants to risk a driver slipping into the finals in the official FIA season and causing havoc in the first official FIA final races.

This is just my personal speculation but with so much being put into this e-sport, FIA affiliation they want to assure themselves only the actual best of the best will be involved in these races.

What better way than to make staying within the top classes harder than the lower classes. I still say those that skills are deserving of being in the upper classes have the race craft to remain there.

I know at my lowly DR B, SR S level I race everyone the same and exploiting a penalty system or even track limits has not in the past ever influenced how I race and will not start now.

I try to race everyone the same from the top ranks to low ranks. I am also very comfortable with where the game has me ranked and have no false aspirations of being a SS racer.

But time penalties aren't going to separate people out in an orderly way. Dropping SR will. The entry criteria for any "best of the best" races should be SR S, not DR S, since it will be the performance throughout the season that is used instead of DR. (I know higher DR means better point scoring races, but hopefully you get my point).

 

[VFOURMAX1]

It would seem that they've also made quite a large change to how much -SR comes from collisions. So honestly, I think the change you've noticed could be because those dive-bombers etc have been punted down to a lower SR rank as they should

The problem with saying "a higher class" is that there isn't one as such. DR is a continuous scale from 1 to 75000.

So, it's possible at DR B that you aren't suffering as much as DR A & S. People who've played at both levels are calling it a night and day difference.

(It can hardly ever fill a race with all DR A & S even at peak times currently, so it doesn't have much choice).

But time penalties aren't going to separate people out in an orderly way. Dropping SR will. The entry criteria for any "best of the best" races should be SR S, not DR S, since it will be the performance throughout the season that is used instead of DR. (I know higher DR means better point scoring races, but hopefully you get my point

So if as you say there is not a higher DR class as such as the points are a continuous scale then exactly what is the different DR classes defining criteria and why even have the distinction?

It is not based on speed as a "C" class racer can possibly hot lap and turn in a Q a time quicker than some A or S ranked drivers. does that make them a higher ranked racer?

Apparently it is not based on racecraft or skills including making the right choice in when to attempt an overtake and when it is not wise as that would fall under the less tolerance for making mistakes classification.

It seems that many of the A and S ranked drivers do not like when the driving and racing standards for being within the higher classes is placed at a higher level with less tolerance for mistakes or car to car contact above the drivers in the lower classes.

So exactly what is the DR RANKING for then? Enlighten me.
SR is a good first step in matchmaking but not all that is used by the game.

I am not one that actually worries about my ranking, I try to race clean and at the best pace I personally can run while maintaining control and try my best to avoid all contact with other racers if possible.

Yes I do make mistakes at times but in my overall racing I think I keep my mistakes to a pretty tolerable level racing the pace I am comfortable racing.

If I tried to keep up with the top ten guys on track it would be a real train wreck and I would be totally out of control. I am fine realizing that my pace is much slower than the top guys and still enjoy clean battles with those of a similar skill set to my own.

At the end of the day rankings mean diddly, just I had some great on track battles that were a lot of fun.

Personally the new system has made the racing better for me over the old system and because of that I still think it was a needed change.

 

[NAXEHT]

Perhaps I’ve just been very unlucky but during the course of four or five Nürburgring 24h daily races I’ve gone from S/S to B/C. Now before anyone says “well sharpen up your racing, son, you’re obviously too harsh” do have a look my history. It should be said though that I haven’t set a qualifying lap and started from the back of the pack or ahead of a couple of other cars which can be treacherous.

First impression is not that good but I’ll reserve my final thoughts until more races are completed, as well as with different tracks of course. Lots of people struggling to keep control of their cars at Nordschleife doesn’t exactly help maintain a clean race throughout the whole field.

 

[dabz343]

Maybe so, though someone would have to go through every race incident and provide data to the system on who was in the right and who was in the wrong. It would need at least thousands of incidents to really be robust. That's the only way for the system to generalize that learning and apply it to our races. It would probably need thousands of incidents to be comprehensive. Given how (IMO) little attention PD has given Sport mode compared to other parts of the game, I'm skeptical that they would invest so much effort. But hey, I'd love to be surprised. It potentially could be a much better solution than thousands of lines of codes trying to account for the myriad different situations that occur during races.

I think that generalization period could have occurred already through the beta and since launch. Which could mean 1.13 may be the first iteration within an ever evolving agent. Yes, given the context of motorsport, a self-learning framework would seem to be an elegant solution.

 

[NAXEHT]

So, it's possible at DR B that you aren't suffering as much as DR A & S. People who've played at both levels are calling it a night and day difference.

I can confirm this night and day difference. After having both my DR and SR plummet severely after just a couple of races I’ve now done a couple more as B/C and just in my last race now (Nürburgring 24h) there was an identical situation to one earlier in the evening where I got brake checked and couldn’t brake or avoid the car ahead of me and bumped in to it. As S/S that gave me either two or even more seconds (I think it was four if the hit was a bit harder).

As B/C however, I got nothing for the same bump, a very hard bump actually. In fact the following checkpoint actually indicated a green SR.

 

[zdenko]

This new penalty system is crap.
I just worked my way to Speed A from B in the Mazda Roadster online race but have been DR S for a long time.
I hope I don't go down the table because of this ridiculous update.

Just to start with, for the set online championships Australia is mixed with other Asian countries. Japan is the most represented by far, Australia being 2nd. Being speed B and DR S, I have found in the past that most races were pretty clean. The faster the car or the more hairpins on a track the more dirty it is which is no surprise. When I first got the game in November, I found the lower ranks had much dirtier racing. I was glad to make my way up to S.

The first race I did under this new update was the Roadster race at Tokyo.
I was a B S(LOL) rated driver and so was everyone else.
I did not notice a difference as I was in the top 3 for most of the race until I hit the pitwall entry(oops) which dropped me to 5th and ran out fuel for the last couple hundred metres so down to 6th.
The only time penalty I got was for hitting that pit wall entry. The car completely stopping is not a penalty in itself??? Also still trying to work out how I went from Speed B to A after that as well.
The one thing I did like, was the ghosting of lapped cars. However I don't think these cars would have been lapped under the old penalty system.
Most of the other drives were Japanese so I could not read the comments after the race, but there was a lot more chatter than usual.

Last night I was racing in the McLaren F1 race at Suzuka. What a nightmare it was.
To be honest I stuffed up my qualification completely which added to the nightmare. I did not set a time in qualification and started 2nd last.
15 out of 18 drivers all had red dot penalties on the final screen. Only the top 3 were clear. I have never seen that before this update and we are talking all A S and a few B S drivers here.
Every time you have 2 cars side by side with a little bump between them there is a penalty of 2 to 3 seconds, most of the time for both of them.
Then you have to slow down to a ridiculous speed to get rid of the penalty.
This then leads to other drivers swerving to avoid them because that it is your first reaction, until you go oh yeah they should be a ghost. I found that this is not always true. I hit a few in the rear because of this and I got rear ended for the same reason. 5s penalty each time. And the penalty gets dished out for both on a fair few occasions.
Everyone other than the top 3 was saying how crap this was after the race.
No one was complaining anyone was dirty at all. Just the new penalty system is rubbish. It was creating more dirty racing, not reducing it.
I recognised pretty much all the Aussie user names in this race, and if someone is dirty normally it gets called out. No call outs of dirty racing. Just lots of complaints about the update.
The most common complaint was that you cannot overtake without being penalised for a minor rub or bump.

I do race at low level in real cars. Never had a bump with another car.
The big difference in a real car vs the game is you have so much better awareness of your surroundings in real life.
I except bumps in the game as when you have 2 cars side by side, it is near impossible to know how close you are, as all you see on your screen is the forward direction. No peripheral vision. From what I can tell most others don't really worry about minor bumps either.
This update though considers you to be a dirty racer.

Sorry Polyphony, you have ruined what was a fun game online. It is now rubbish. Change it back.

 

[Outspacer]

So if as you say there is not a higher DR class as such as the points are a continuous scale then exactly what is the different DR classes defining criteria and why even have the distinction?

Main reason is that DR letter can be limited by SR while leaving DR points intact.

It is not based on speed as a "C" class racer can possibly hot lap and turn in a Q a time quicker than some A or S ranked drivers. does that make them a higher ranked racer?

If they really are that fast, and can hold their position in races, then they are incorrectly ranked and the system will give them more DR points. So forgive me, but I'm gonna keep using 'fast' as a shorthand for what DR represents, because otherwise this all gets too wordy.

Apparently it is not based on racecraft or skills including making the right choice in when to attempt an overtake and when it is not wise as that would fall under the less tolerance for making mistakes classification.

It's not possible to measure racecraft or skills directly. Much less what is wise.

It seems that many of the A and S ranked drivers do not like when the driving and racing standards for being within the higher classes is placed at a higher level with less tolerance for mistakes or car to car contact above the drivers in the lower classes.

Why should it? One person could be slow but clean, another could be fast but dirty. It should measure those things independantly.

2 sec penalties for minor contact are simply wrong at any level of DR, and it's even more wrong to have it different at different levels. A lot of DR B were in my races tonight. Why should they get away scot free after bumping my rear, and I get a 2 sec penalty? No, that would just be unfair.

So exactly what is the DR RANKING for then? Enlighten me.

SR is a good first step in matchmaking but not all that is used by the game.

You just enlightened yourself! Actually, I'm pretty sure that after SR points it uses the DR points rather than the DR letter, at least when the DR letter isn't limited by SR.

I am not one that actually worries about my ranking, I try to race clean and at the best pace I personally can run while maintaining control and try my best to avoid all contact with other racers if possible.

Yes I do make mistakes at times but in my overall racing I think I keep my mistakes to a pretty tolerable level racing the pace I am comfortable racing.

If I tried to keep up with the top ten guys on track it would be a real train wreck and I would be totally out of control. I am fine realizing that my pace is much slower than the top guys and still enjoy clean battles with those of a similar skill set to my own.

At the end of the day rankings mean diddly, just I had some great on track battles that were a lot of fun.

Personally the new system has made the racing better for me over the old system and because of that I still think it was a needed change.

My races tonight were the usual late night mix of a DR S, a few DR A, and the rest DR B. All SR S. TBH, I didn't notice any distinct difference in behaviour, generally, some extra caution perhaps. Still some people driving too close and bumping, still some danger at Nurb T1, but mostly clean racing. For me, anyway. There was a liberal scattering of penalty dots at the end, but I don't know if they were from going off track (common at N24!) or bumps. And a few red SRs.

Over 4 races let's say that people's extra caution saved my rear end from a bump a few times. That's nice and all, but it wouldn't have been very distressing for me if they had bumped me. One did bump me in T2, and I got a 2 sec which I carried to the end, effectively losing me a place - I let someone past before the end, rather than risk another 2 sec in the final corners, because he was within 2 sec of me with a bigger gap behind him. I can say I would prefer the clumsy bumps to the 2 sec penalty.

DR neutral for the night. SR still pegged at 99. 2 clean races out of 4. Obviously from that perspective I can't tell if SR was being more harsh to those that got red SR at the end, all I know is there wasn't a whole sea of red, just about the same number as was usual.

 

[azrilnazli]

clean racing so far Asia DRs SRs

im live now trying to get 5 consecutive clean races
made into 2, but touched sand and gone...

 

[bad_brain_1]

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[phil_75]

I'm starting to believe those complaining are either bad drivers or have poor racecraft and being exposed for it. Or I'm just lucky.

Yeah cos we got to SS by being bad drivers and having poor racecraft..
Z28 is poor too is he?

For people who are not DRS and think the update is ok or do not see a problem this is what we DR S drivers have to put up with.

 

[bad_brain_1]

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[bad_brain_1]

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[Sven Jurgens]

While I'm in favor of the new system, it can really screw you over. I had a nice clean streak going then two races in a row race ending bad luck.

First one in T2

I'm following a swervy car, not too close as he might spin out and get bumped from behind. 10 sec penalty, please join the race in last place.


Next race someone goes wide, doesn't pay attention when re-entering the track. I brake when I see he's crossing the road yet at that high speed section, no chance.

Then I'm slowed, dodge one car coming in hot from behind, second nails me.

Result in the gravel pit with 20 seconds of penalty. Finished last, no surprise.

The next race my SR is down so I start in 3rd and clean race bonus. Racing in the back is still dangerous.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

(US - DRC/SRS)

Something weird is going on. today i climbed from 5th to 2nd, and then some guy dive bombed me and tried to ram me off of the course during the esses of Kyoto Driving Park. I braked to hold traction and was able to deflect him off but then he just did it again on the next series of esses and rammed me into the wall, dropping me to 3rd.

During this whole demolition derby exchange I never received a single penalty for hitting him or the wall. This happened on the last lap so I was expecting him to end up in 3rd assuming he had received penalties for the exchange. Then at the summary screen he had no penalties. I was going to save it but I forgot to hit the save replay button after reporting him for ruining the race.

 

[ceres2000]

I haven't experienced what the system is like for higher classes (I'm C/S in one account and B/S in the other), but I can't help but think if instead of a time penalty and DR downs, PD should have just enabled the damage model. That way I guess people could still try some decent seat of the pants overtakes, without worrying of some minor infraction that would ruin the entire race. I can especially see the problem for higher ranked players in the Americas as I know from experience the sof in the lobbies there are very spread out with DR ranging from C-S sometimes. It's not that much of an issue with EU because of the higher player count. Anyway I hope PD is monitoring and there's a fix soon.

 

[phil_75]

I haven't experienced what the system is like for higher classes (I'm C/S in one account and B/S in the other), but I can't help but think if instead of a time penalty and DR downs, PD should have just enabled the damage model. That way I guess people could still try some decent seat of the pants overtakes, without worrying of some minor infraction that would ruin the entire race. I can especially see the problem for higher ranked players in the Americas as I know from experience the sof in the lobbies there are very spread out with DR ranging from C-S sometimes. It's not that much of an issue with EU because of the higher player count. Anyway I hope PD is monitoring and there's a fix soon.

Oh it is.
I have been in many races with full grids and only been with one other S driver
The rest went from A to D!!!

I was even the only S in one, i got pole, lead every lap of a 10 lapper and won by 54secs.
I got 24 DR points .

 

[manion]

So ghosting lapped cars only works for overtaking them not when they ram you at full speed from behind while you ate trying to catch a car

 

[bad_brain_1]

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[ShiftingGears]

I'm starting a class action against PD for giving me cancer with this update

 

[Chevy Heavy]

I've owned every GT game and this the first that's drawn me into online racing. In just under 400 races I've worked my way up to A/S through normal racing. No dirty racing or gaming the system. I take some pride in that as I believe it's representative of the skills I've developed over many. many years of playing racing games. I know I'll probably never reach DRS and I'm fine with that. I've encountered my share of dirty drivers in Sport mode, but I treat them the same as trolls, ignore them and move on. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the game wasn't that flawed that PD had to take such drastic measures with the way penalties are handed out.

I've read through every post in this thread, mainly because I have no desire to play this game in it's current state. It's obvious there's two differing opinions on the changes. And that split is between those A/S and above and those B/S and below. Ironically the same split as where the penalties are handled differently. I see the same people regurgitating the same comments (clean racing now, no dive bombing, etc.) over and over again as if repeating themselves enough they will change people's minds. This regardless of the multiple posts by, yes mostly higher ranked players, getting races ruined by BS penalties. I have to wonder if we would have this dissention among ranks if everyone was receiving the same treatment. I would venture to say probably not.

I picked up PC2 over the holidays at a discount. Maybe it's time to give that game a shot until they fix the game I really want to playing, GTS. In case you're wondering, I'm not playing because I'm afraid of dropping in rank, it's because the game isn't fun right now.

 

[GTFraker]

Since there is a common feeling that many people are going to avoid "testing" the "new" system,expect less people actually playing,more mixed races and a lot of "crazy" things to happen.

The races are always ten times worse during the weekend, I don't think this weekend has been any different. Like it or not, the previous system was too lenient on those who did not care for racing clean.

 

[Seb Weasel]

That's a good video, thanks. Too bad we can't see the penalties in replay like he says.
Also, I thought penalties below 5s didn't grow?

Yeah cos we got to SS by being bad drivers and having poor racecraft..
Z28 is poor too is he?

For people who are not DRS and think the update is ok or do not see a problem this is what we DR S drivers have to put up with.

 

[xxxman1]

I've owned every GT game and this the first that's drawn me into online racing. In just under 400 races I've worked my way up to A/S through normal racing. No dirty racing or gaming the system. I take some pride in that as I believe it's representative of the skills I've developed over many. many years of playing racing games. I know I'll probably never reach DRS and I'm fine with that. I've encountered my share of dirty drivers in Sport mode, but I treat them the same as trolls, ignore them and move on. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the game wasn't that flawed that PD had to take such drastic measures with the way penalties are handed out.

I've read through every post in this thread, mainly because I have no desire to play this game in it's current state. It's obvious there's two differing opinions on the changes. And that split is between those A/S and above and those B/S and below. Ironically the same split as where the penalties are handled differently. I see the same people regurgitating the same comments (clean racing now, no dive bombing, etc.) over and over again as if repeating themselves enough they will change people's minds. This regardless of the multiple posts by, yes mostly higher ranked players, getting races ruined by BS penalties. I have to wonder if we would have this dissention among ranks if everyone was receiving the same treatment. I would venture to say probably not.

I picked up PC2 over the holidays at a discount. Maybe it's time to give that game a shot until they fix the game I really want to playing, GTS. In case you're wondering, I'm not playing because I'm afraid of dropping in rank, it's because the game isn't fun right now.

Me too, get to A/S after over 250 races. Yesterday I lost 2000 DR. So for the time being, I will set qualifing time without enter the race and get the daily car. That’s all for me.

 

[kilesa4568]

See, for me the rankings do not mean squat with regard to player ability or intention. As one example, is a guy in Asia-Pacific who is like in the top 10 worldwide for races completed. You look at his stat profile, it is relentlessly Low DR A SR 99. Has been for like 70 days or more, But what you won't see reflected in that is, as just one example, that guy, on T1, get shunted off racing line at Brands, and then spend the rest of the race trying to take the guy out in a rampage of terror. His DR and SR plummet, but by the end of the day it is back to where it was before.

But if you know this, and you are in a lobby with this guy, you stay well the hell away from him. Not due to the rankings, but because you know he is a damn sociopath!

Now, depending on how the game allocates your rank, this is what it is like every race if you are currently allocated an A or S. Every other racer is like that sociopath. I don't enjoy this at all. And what I REALLY don't enjoy, and I think you mention this, is I don't want to BE the sociopath from another players perspective.

Remember, I actually agree with the top ranks about how restrictive the penalties are and even suggested early on that you need to collect some evidence and get a report done. @Tassie_tiger was in this thread earlier and if they're willing, could submit it for you.

My last paragraph in what you quoted was just me over tired and rambling about my own experience with top rank drivers. Not really relevant to this debate (apologies for that) but I had to get it off my chest while a few of you DRS are in this thread and reading it.

Now I'm more awake and more coherent.. Several times, I was the meat in the sandwich between two of you in races for one reason or another. Yes, the person in front of me is pulling away from me with no way of me catching and the person behind is gaining quickly and seeing the same thing. I lost SRS several times (I didn't find it fun early on because of it and stopped after 24 races) with keeping to the racing line but not really defending. Every time, I got punted out of the way by DRS drivers throwing the car inside of mine so that the guy in front didn't build too much of a lead. I wasn't out of control or anything but a total disregard for me as I was obviously slower. Not that that matters. If I'm in front, it's on merit or by circumstance. After a few short corners, I'll be fair to the person behind and pull off line so they can have the place and I'll make use of the tow for a short while. I never seemed to get the chance to as it seems some DRS are sociopaths too.

I don't want to be in your races as I like the idea of a possible good finish, but as I am, I'm not fodder for the top ranks as I still earned my place (I'm very safe) in your race. I'm not saying it's you personally or anyone else in this thread but too many of the top ranks seem to show some entitlement to run rough shod over those lower down. I don't really want you to have tougher penalties against me but sometimes I get frustrated enough for you to have them.

 

[Macboyilija]

It would be a nice thing if PD would implement driving school/training missions where we can learn these SB situations instead of just learning to brake and race lines.

Just show us what PD finds good driving and bad driving and we can adapt to it !

 

[Seb Weasel]

Well... It's been a long week on this thread, I think we all deserve a break . Like Chevy Heavy just said, this debate probably happened because of the difference in treatment.
Thanks to all who shared videos because it helps understand the frustration. Even worse, it looks like people in the same room may have different treatments (hard to show in a video unfortunately)?
I think PD must have seen this coming, so let's say it's temporary and see how it goes? Maybe the "purge" people mentioned is the goal?

Lastly, I'm still here man, reading your posts!! Haha. I'm sad that the update drives you and other people away so hopefully there can be a better system implemented soon.

My last contribution on the topic. Apologies for the moaning, but you get to laugh at me in my pathetic-ness.

Bathurst, Daily C.

(You know where this is going, right?)

Do a couple quick laps (DS4, AT, TC 2, being lazy as) to get qual time up. 2.06.xxx so pretty rubbish. Smurf account, and I'm at this point just not caring anymore as for me the game is broken. Can't say no to a spin round the Mountain, right!? Anyways...

Enter race, P2 on grid.

Only DR A in lobby.

Ruh roh. Hrm, this might be a mistake, based on all my moaning.

(You know where this is going, right)

End of L1, blasting on down Conrod, P1 close ahead but not close enough for a serious attack. No worries, 8 lap race, we could have a good strat battle here as looks like we gonna post similar L1 times (same cars). See a couple of guys side by side behind me, but not in a position to do a credible move as Chase is almost here, but I just know what is gonna happen.

And you know it as well. You know exactly what is going to happen - but like me, are strapped in, locked in, unable to do anything to avoid the coming carnage,

Yep. Of course it happens. Full speed rear ender well past the braking zone. Zero attempt to brake. Absolute rookie Bathurst 101 move. Nothing I could do, of course. Cheers guys.

So, race basically over for me at that point. What is different now from before the update? Well, I got an increasing time penalty I had to get rid of, on a track that is super friendly for stopping right, SR down to SR B even though I apparently had no further SR downs in the entire race (8 laps), DR down 1k (I finished 5th eventually, heart just wasn't in it really). One of the guys who hit me - race winner. Blue SR. Lower ranked driver. Good job mate.

Oh, the ghosting of the guys I was lapping worked well, so that's nice.

Yeah, nah.

Even on a smurf account, not giving a toss, this 'aint my idea of fun. More the opposite. More like, I don't know, not-fun.

Maybe I should deliberately come last or rage quit for a couple of races. get the DR down - then no problems, right?

Meh. For the cost, I have to say - one of the best bang for buck games I have ever played. Since pong. No complaints there, absolutely loved it, grip bug and all. Pit glitch exploiters included. Some stunning art design, looks phat on a big OLED HDR display. Amazing. At times the racing is sublime - and on a console no less. Pretty impressive what they produced.

But as the game is now, nah. Not gonna delete it or anything, just wait and hope they do something, anything, because it is broken for me. Don't need to test it anymore, or complain about it, or change MY behaviour to accommodate the game design. Just not gonna play it anymore.

Awesome. In a couple of days I did a rage quit, whined and moaned on a game related message board, and then announced to nobody who gives a XXXX I'm not playing the stupid game anymore! I'm sure I missed something, any suggestions

 

[TomPyke]

Wow

Something has changed for me, even after the update. The other day it didnt seem as bad. At the rate below, I'll be zero. Oh, and my DR has been going up as I've moved forward a lot with many people spinning out etc

Bathhurst no red dot, went down 11 SR!!

Next race, red dot, i had two 1 sec penalties, down 19 points!!

From 98 to 61 SR in the space of 4 races