Just Raced Under The New Algorithms and Rules

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The only problem with sub accounts... I always qualify faster on my sub account than my main account :crazy:
It turns out that my main accounts car has dropped BHP, however the BOPped figures show the same? maybe it's placebo.
I also wonder if the chassis on my main account is a bit knackered.
 
kevlar_hybrid
You're missing the point, again.

One "mashing" the throttle with TC2 will be slower than modulated TC OFF. My point is that a well modulated throttle with TC 2 is THE SAME SPEED as well modulated with TC OFF. It shouldn't be. Why, because with TC OFF if I get it wrong I spin or slide (risk), with TC 2 if I get it wrong it gets caught. The "risk" is mitigated with TC 2 whilst allowing all the reward of a well modulated throttle. It's about where the traction threshold is set for each TC settings. With it off you should be able to get closer to the traction threshold, with it on TC 2 you should NOT be able to get close to the threshold, at present you can on both TC2 and TC OFF.
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I've not missed the point, I just don't agree. It's going to be different for different classes of car as well - so you may have more of a point for Gr.4 and below, but in Gr.3 and above, I haven't seen any evidence that the favorable scenario you outline isn't already in play:

Low TC < ------------------------- > High TC
Difficult < ------------------------- >Easy
Fast < ------------------------- >Slow
Risky < ------------------------- >Safe

I don't recognise the problem either: "My point is that a well modulated throttle with TC 2 is THE SAME SPEED as well modulated with TC OFF" - so, that driver could drive the car without TC (they're modulating the throttle well, in your own words), but they're using it (as is often the case in real motorsport) to minimise the risk of a mistake - if it's such a problem for you and you truly believe that you'll achieve the same lap time, just use it :S
 
kevlar_hybrid
You're missing the point, again.

One "mashing" the throttle with TC2 will be slower than modulated TC OFF. My point is that a well modulated throttle with TC 2 is THE SAME SPEED as well modulated with TC OFF. It shouldn't be. Why, because with TC OFF if I get it wrong I spin or slide (risk), with TC 2 if I get it wrong it gets caught. The "risk" is mitigated with TC 2 whilst allowing all the reward of a well modulated throttle. It's about where the traction threshold is set for each TC settings. With it off you should be able to get closer to the traction threshold, with it on TC 2 you should NOT be able to get close to the threshold, at present you can on both TC2 and TC OFF.
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I didm't read your whole argument but I just like to give my 2 cents on that statement, if you may.

I agree with Apex Predator on TC off being faster. I get it that TC 2 feels very safe and you can race at a competitive pace with it, but I do not think that TC 2 is faster than TC off. As Apex said, too early on the throttle and it'd bog you down. With throttle modulation you won't notice the TC much, but from my experience to get that final tenths on a corner you'd have to apply the throttle early and aggressively enough for TC to bog you down.

TC 2 takes away the "risk" of spinning out at each corner, yes. And you can keep a decent race pace with it on, I agree. But the only thing I'd like to disagree on is saying that TC 2 is just as fast as TC off.
 
post some comparisons of you driving the same corner, one mashing the throttle with TC 2 and another where you modulate your input with it off
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This quote illustrates that you'd missed the point, as it's, y'know, not at all the point I was making.

I don't recognise the problem either:
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That's fine.

if it's such a problem for you and you truly believe that you'll achieve the same lap time, just use it :S
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Who said it was "such a problem for me"? Just pointing out some short comings of the system, that is why we're here, no?
I've done the testing and I do use it and do benefit. Others are free to think it's quicker on OFF.
 
kilesa4568
Regarding the etiquette, haven't we all seen enough motor sport on TV to know what's a good move and what's bad?

Most of us have got common sense so if a move looks risky, try listening to it once in a while. It's often informative.
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... or instead.. you (and many others...) may simple try to read this thread... with lots of information on that subject... forgotten by most of GTS racers...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...driving-behaviour-on-gts-online-races.375408/
 
kjeldsen
A dedicated penalty button ala pit speed button could do the trick, instant ghosting and autodrive for a minimum of 2 secs and speed reduced to pay the penalty, press the button at place where you normally wouldn't be able to pay the penalty you stay a ghost until the penalty is paid.
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Exactly.. I already suggested that (twice..) by the way! :).. with an added option. .you may interrupt the service... if you want...
 
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JulesDennis
I though we were talking about the "new" penalty system -in this topic- and not if GTS users have any kind of racing etiquette knowledge.
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It doesn't´matter what you´ve thought.. if you payed some attention, this was a comment of mine to a comment from kilesa4568! And his comment was:

"Regarding the etiquette, haven't we all seen enough motor sport on TV to know what's a good move and what's bad?

Most of us have got common sense so if a move looks risky, try listening to it once in a while. It's often informative."
 
Just thought I would share one from last night racing at Barthurst GR3.

I went into the pits for fuel and tyres first race I got just over a 6 second penalty after I came out the pits, (prior going into the pit I had no penalty) I did go onto the grass a bit when coming into the pit, I dont understand that one.

The next race I went into the pits again and I got a SR reduction coming out the pits for no reason at all, I was leading with no penalty, I was in the lead and behaving myself although lost the lead while in the pit......

CONFUSED!
 
Fentonflyer
Just thought I would share one from last night racing at Barthurst GR3.

I went into the pits for fuel and tyres first race I got just over a 6 second penalty after I came out the pits, (prior going into the pit I had no penalty) I did go onto the grass a bit when coming into the pit, I dont understand that one.

The next race I went into the pits again and I got a SR reduction coming out the pits for no reason at all, I was leading with no penalty, I was in the lead and behaving myself although lost the lead while in the pit......

CONFUSED!
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Did you saved the replay?It could be helpfull if you could share these with the rest of us.
 
bad_brain_1
Had the same thing happen - immediately upon the transition from the pit crew animations to leaving pits.

The only thing I can think that might have caused it, is another car coming out at the same time (but you don't see it as both cars are on top of each other). I did not save a replay so can't be sure, but during the race I could not see anyone near me. Really blows eh.
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I've had this before the recent patch and after it. Seems to be a Mount Panorama specific thing as far as my experience? I also think it's something to do with being "stacked up on top of each other" on exit, one time I was SUPER careful on the entrance not to cut any curbs and got it anyway, so...
 
Mirror_man
It doesn't´matter what you´ve thought.. if you payed some attention, this was a comment of mine to a comment from kilesa4568! And his comment was:

"Regarding the etiquette, haven't we all seen enough motor sport on TV to know what's a good move and what's bad?

Most of us have got common sense so if a move looks risky, try listening to it once in a while. It's often informative."
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Your comment was addressed to him "and many others"..... meaning others in this thread? Perhaps the ones whose point of view you don't agree with? ;)
 
cleanLX
I'm thinking the opposite... ??
Nothing like a wake up call... or... reality check.
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Yeh Initially I was thinking the same, but the lower guys will mostly be getting matched among themselves, so continuity for them is best, where as the DR:A DR:S guys should really be racing at the front and not be getting too involved with what would be chaos..

Just imagining what it would be like if the DR:A/S system was in place for the DR;D-B guys, I would get the popcorn out to watch those races :D
 
@JacksHerer I hear you, and I do indeed see your point, and I guess we could go back and forth to try and come to a happy for all point... (no sarcasm intended, I do believe something needs revised) and, I don't know what would be better...
I'm Dr.B, and to be honest if the very "touchy" penalty system of Dr.S/A was implemented across the board, I'd be ok with it...maybe a touch (2nd use of intended pun) more lenient.
I don't mind the strictness... but goodness they have to do something to try and differentiate aggressor/victim.
 
Yeh something needs to change, I'm sure it will by or in the next update.

The different system between ranks certainly doesn't help anyone, a guy getting promoted into Dr:A will have his first race inflicting penalties left right and center, those poor DR:A guys may get dropped down into DR:B with him.
It would help if PD gave a list of the penalties on the pre race screen.
ie 1 or 2 seconds for front/rear bump depending on speed
5 seconds for side by side bump
etc etc
 
Outspacer
Your comment was addressed to him "and many others"..... meaning others in this thread? Perhaps the ones whose point of view you don't agree with? ;)
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.. not to all other in this thread...

But I´m very sure there´s still are a considerable number of other participants from GTPLANET Foruns, that have strong doubts (to say the least) about what is the correct racing etiquette ....

and about "point of view I don´t agree". .I don´t even see the point of that part of your phrase. as it simply has nothing to do with any ones point of view.. but with... a lack of information.. for those who even are interested in getting it.. . and simply don´t know where to look.. or what may be interesting to look.. and still to others that simply keep arguing about foul play during the game. . and in truth do´t have all the information they should have before posting any claim...
 
bad_brain_1
OK I have a confession to make. I said I was done with sport mode, but guys ... I couldn't help myself OK!!!

It is just so laughably bad I had to give it another shot.

2 races on smurf account, Europe.
1 x Daily C (A/B) (P4 finished P8, only A in lobby, was last place with 28 sec penalties by L2. Absolute waste of time for everyone. Shameful).
1 x Daily B (B/C) (P1 finished P1, 2 second penalty for punting guy off Conrod L1. And I did it deliberately to regain P1. This is SR C/D level right?).

Check this out:

Today -> 50079 B 20 C
Yesterday -> 35596 A 64 B

System working as intended.

So, in 2 races, went from A/B to B/C - driver point reset to upper bound (50K), just need to somehow enter some races without taking any penalties whatsoever, while getting middling results (to keep the DR points up), get the SR points up, will be DR S, SR S.

What.A.Joke.

Now, I need to decide, am I really taking a break from SportMode, or do I wanna see how far I can push this smurf account. Thoughts?
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28sec pen by lap2. Wow u r a dirty driver then. Get better. Be careful bro or you ain't reaching SR S ever.

I get max 3-5 sec pen in a race if i get pen.

People playing like before update will get rekt .

System wrks well enough fr me.

Expected too much moaning. People realize now. Keep moaning. Drive fair i say and avoid contact like in real sport
 
kevlar_hybrid
Others are free to think it's quicker on OFF.
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It is quicker on off. Take the M6 around Kyoto Yamigawa with TC 2 and see how often you bog as you drive up through those fast corners after T1 - you'll lose at least a tenth by the time you reach the fast left-hander.

kevlar_hybrid
This quote illustrates that you'd missed the point, as it's, y'know, not at all the point I was making.
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Well if you take my quotes out of chronological order you can make it appear as though I missed your point, but you'll remember my initial response a few pages back was:
_ApexPredator
Isn't that because with good throttle modulation you haven't caused the TC to kick in, so of course it would be the same as it would be with it off
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The quote you posted was an attempt to develop the argument, but nevermind. Let me know how you get on in the test case I've outlined above - what's your PSN, btw?
 
_ApexPredator
It is quicker on off. Take the M6 around Kyoto Yamigawa with TC 2 and see how often you bog as you drive up through those fast corners after T1 - you'll lose at least a tenth by the time you reach the fast left-hander.


Well if you take my quotes out of chronological order you can make it appear as though I missed your point, but you'll remember my initial response a few pages back was:


The quote you posted was an attempt to develop the argument, but nevermind. Let me know how you get on in the test case I've outlined above - what's your PSN, btw?
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Well we disagree. I've no problem with that. I didn't think your quotes were out of order, but I'll concede that the error was mine as it serves no further purpose to discuss any more. My bad.

PSN is same as my name here. (edit, but spelt kevlar-hybrid, with middle line not underline)
 
I dunno guys, I'm not a coder or anything but I look at the rules of racing linked above, I see that there are knowns - braking zones, apex, exit, racing lines etc. I see the money involved in triple A titles and I see twin first stage rockets landing in sync on launch pads in the US and I can't help but think that this system really should be a bit more impressive.
Maybe I'm asking too much to soon?
 
Mirror_man
.. not to all other in this thread...

But I´m very sure there´s still are a considerable number of other participants from GTPLANET Foruns, that have strong doubts (to say the least) about what is the correct racing etiquette ....

and about "point of view I don´t agree". .I don´t even see the point of that part of your phrase. as it simply has nothing to do with any ones point of view.. but with... a lack of information.. for those who even are interested in getting it.. . and simply don´t know where to look.. or what may be interesting to look.. and still to others that simply keep arguing about foul play during the game. . and in truth do´t have all the information they should have before posting any claim...
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Much of this thread is focused on the 2 sec penalties for minor contact, which is affecting the innocent about as much as the 'guilty'. You posted a number of etiquettes, which don't agree with each other on little bumps - some demand zero contact, some don't. There's a valid argument for both cases, so there isn't one single 'truth' in this matter. Besides, the greatest argument against these time penalties is that one little bump in an entire race can wreck that race for you and the other guy, regardless of whether it was your fault. Etiquette doesn't really come into it at that level of cleanliness, that would be a little error or misjudgment, not a different mindset.

Most discussion of etiquette in this thread is being prompted by people assuming that others are dirtier than they actually are......
 
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kevlar_hybrid
I dunno guys, I'm not a coder or anything but I look at the rules of racing linked above, I see that there are knowns - braking zones, apex, exit, racing lines etc. I see the money involved in triple A titles and I see twin first stage rockets landing in sync on launch pads in the US and I can't help but think that this system really should be a bit more impressive.
Maybe I'm asking too much to soon?
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I'm guessing the military isn't using domestic ISP and PS4 to run it's guidance systems.

I would rather drop some of the graphics and have a top notch penalty system.

Edit : now I'm thinking about it, I wish PD had americas military budget to develop GTS :drool:

There is also coasting for fuel save, traffic, lag etc etc
 
JacksHerer
I'm guessing the military isn't using domestic ISP and PS4 to run it's guidance systems.

I would rather drop some of the graphics and have a top notch penalty system.

Edit : now I'm thinking about it, I wish PD had americas military budget to develop GTS :drool:

There is also coasting for fuel save, traffic, lag etc etc
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LOL! Well, yeah!
Sure, but until now very basic things have gone undetected in terms of aggressor/perp such as NO BRAKING AT ALL into a corner. I'm not talking borderline, I'm talking apparently no effort at all into basic rule sets. Just a "blame everyone and it'll shake out" approach
 
Mirror_man
... or instead.. you (and many others...) may simple try to read this thread... with lots of information on that subject... forgotten by most of GTS racers...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...driving-behaviour-on-gts-online-races.375408/
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I've no need to look at it. I've been there, done that, and got the T-shirt long ago.

Why would you think I need to brush up on my etiquette anyway? I'm one of the least aggressive drivers out there and very rarely cause contact.:confused:

I think it's a case of everyone being pretty clued up on etiquette but some just choose to ignore it in the heat of the moment.

Right. Back to the penalties.:cheers:
 

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