Just Raced Under The New Algorithms and Rules

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ive had it ! Vulcan is shockingly bad especialy the brakes,yes i know it has big power & torque & its a bit heavy but for god sake its a track car it should have more than capeble brakes, although i have an issue in general with braking in this game. Almost everyone i raced with used that as an exuse to send my flying in every single turn even tho i always give more than enough room & you can pretty much tell who paid for that....
 
George Jakob
ive had it ! Vulcan is shockingly bad especialy the brakes,yes i know it has big power & torque & its a bit heavy but for god sake its a track car it should have more than capeble brakes, although i have an issue in general with braking in this game. Almost everyone i raced with used that as an exuse to send my flying in every single turn even tho i always give more than enough room & you can pretty much tell who paid for that....
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Try racing at Monza in B class... Oh wait... Did you just get rammed and now you got demoted to C class?
Let's try this again.... Alright, C class race. Oh wait... You got rammed again and now you're in D class. Oh. That's fun
 
MilkandMelk
Try racing at Monza in B class... Oh wait... Did you just get rammed and now you got demoted to C class?
Let's try this again.... Alright, C class race. Oh wait... You got rammed again and now you're in D class. Oh. That's fun
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Yep pretty much
 
During qualifying, always run with TCS 0 for best results, but during races use TCS 1 or 2 if you're driving Gr3 cars, you're not going to lose much when you're always moving in a forward momentum.
 
Just finished a manufacturer race-(Tokyo Expressway 10 Laps) in Asia/Oceania Server, the video below will show you how chaos in the opening lap of the race. Most drivers are DR: Low A with SR S.



I started 4th so i could be able to escape from the jam behind.

BTW, Feel sorry to that Hyundai driver, i think he did pretty well under this situation.
 
bad_brain_1
I actually had one replay! This is from the Daily C on Sunday (?) that I wrote about in another post. Here is the trip up the Mnt, L1, I'm P2.



Just to the race ending bit, so quite brief. Showing from my bonnet cam (this is what I was using in race).

Couple of things worth mentioning.

Only DR A in the race was me. For people who are skeptical of some of my accounts/moans and wanting to claim I am a dirty stinking scoundrel racer, you can pretty plainly see in this replay that I am giving P1 more than enough rope to hang himself with. All over the place, but I don't push to hard. Same for the guys behind me coming down Conrod - no way were either of them in a position to have a successful braking battle with me, even though both of them hit me.

Result was honking great time penalty, SR derank - almost 2 levels - (and that was the only contact I got in the rest of the 8 lap race), DR down significantly. Guy who hit me? Race winner, SR UP, presumably a big chunk of DR points (mine).

Anyways, hope that goes some way to demonstrating what I've been discussing. I'll make replays from now on demonstrating this on the Euro account if anyone is interested. Prolly not!
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You need to spend significantly more time qualifying nowadays if you want clean races - especially on technical tracks like Bathurst. If you get caught driving with people who are in over their heads - you will get accidents like this.

The first driver had a horrible downhill, you ruined your exit speed, which allowed both cars to catch you up, and the Porsche took 2 drivers out because he's overly ambitious and was in the worst position.

I did the FIA race on Bathurst the other day and had no issue keeping my SR positive, and only had an issue with 1 driver who was being overly aggressive and causing penalties.
 
bad_brain_1
I actually had one replay! This is from the Daily C on Sunday (?) that I wrote about in another post. Here is the trip up the Mnt, L1, I'm P2.



Just to the race ending bit, so quite brief. Showing from my bonnet cam (this is what I was using in race).

Couple of things worth mentioning.

Only DR A in the race was me. For people who are skeptical of some of my accounts/moans and wanting to claim I am a dirty stinking scoundrel racer, you can pretty plainly see in this replay that I am giving P1 more than enough rope to hang himself with. All over the place, but I don't push to hard. Same for the guys behind me coming down Conrod - no way were either of them in a position to have a successful braking battle with me, even though both of them hit me.

Result was honking great time penalty, SR derank - almost 2 levels - (and that was the only contact I got in the rest of the 8 lap race), DR down significantly. Guy who hit me? Race winner, SR UP, presumably a big chunk of DR points (mine).

Anyways, hope that goes some way to demonstrating what I've been discussing. I'll make replays from now on demonstrating this on the Euro account if anyone is interested. Prolly not!
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Valid point this. Pre update this wasn't a pen for you but now it is which needs to be rectified by PD.

In my case when this happened,the guy who hit me had a greater pen than me allowing no advantage to him.

Also i didn't get a pen everytime i got rammed. Wonder how the algo is setup.
 
Fentonflyer
Just thought I would share one from last night racing at Barthurst GR3.

I went into the pits for fuel and tyres first race I got just over a 6 second penalty after I came out the pits, (prior going into the pit I had no penalty) I did go onto the grass a bit when coming into the pit, I dont understand that one.

The next race I went into the pits again and I got a SR reduction coming out the pits for no reason at all, I was leading with no penalty, I was in the lead and behaving myself although lost the lead while in the pit......

CONFUSED!
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I got 22 seconds penalty after my pitstop at Bathurst. I crashed into the barrier at the entrance. The penalty rised every second for a second instantly.
 
I do find that it is interesting that the tracks being used to exhibit and promote the evil new changes to the penalty system and major losses to rankings are mainly from Tokyo, Mt. Panorama, Monza and Blue Moon.

Tracks which are and have been for a long time well known that on line races at those venues are very likely to be penalty filled carnage DR and SR killing ventures due to the nature of the circuits layout regardless of which penalty system is applied new or old.

I think most racers concerned about preserving DR and SR rankings usually have always avoided racing the dailies there as the risk for losing ratings is at a very high level as compared to many other circuits.
 
The penalties are just so steep. I had a slight off today at Interlagos. I lost a few seconds by doing so, but they they hit me with an 8 second penalty...
 
VFOURMAX1
I do find that it is interesting that the tracks being used to exhibit and promote the evil new changes to the penalty system and major losses to rankings are mainly from Tokyo, Mt. Panorama, Monza and Blue Moon.

Tracks which are and have been for a long time well known that on line races at those venues are very likely to be penalty filled carnage DR and SR killing ventures due to the nature of the circuits layout regardless of which penalty system is applied new or old.

I think most racers concerned about preserving DR and SR rankings usually have always avoided racing the dailies there as the risk for losing ratings is at a very high level as compared to many other circuits.
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Ttue but thats what we forced to do ??? i thought this was the main point of this game clean fair racing everywhere
why can't they do a straight up system that punish the ones at fault for example
Hitting or trying to hit someone with high speed in order to get rid of them 20 sec penalty etc.
 
RaceFace85
I got 22 seconds penalty after my pitstop at Bathurst. I crashed into the barrier at the entrance. The penalty rised every second for a second instantly.
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:eek: whoa that's nasty, I rear ended a car going into the pits, odd thing is the car in front of me was ghosted. Doesn't make any sense, and I came out of the pits with a 3s penalty.

I tried a theory yesterday seeing if entering the pits (skipping tires/fuel) would run down a pending penalty but it doesn't. I think PD should fix that.
 
Just an observation.

"It hasn't happened to me yet" isn't really a sensible argument in light of video evidence proving consistently that being smashed into from behind causes you to be punished in both time and -SR. I've had situations similar to the Tokyo one above where the chaos in just ONE corner is simply unavoidable and once it's done you're down from SR S to SR B through no fault of your own.

Be glad it hasn't happened to you, yet.
 
TheGeologist
I had a slight off today at Interlagos. I lost a few seconds by doing so, but they they hit me with an 8 second penalty...
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Of course any speculation as to why PD does anything is just that speculation or personal opinion to the possible reasoning behind it.

My guess would be if there was a reasoning behind such as you experienced that the goal was to try to condition drivers by using excessive penalties to drive within a level where they were able to maintain their car to stay on track within the boundaries.

That is the one place that running at a 99% percent hot lap pace is yes although it is a faster lap time the margin for error is much less for a mistake that sends a driver out of control.

A driver that races at say 90% will have a much larger reserve to being at a point of exceeding control and causing an incident.

Even going off track in a single incident still involves a car re entering the track at below racing speed and could affect other racers or cause another incident.

Again just speculation that perhaps PD is trying to get people to drive within the limits they can do consistently lap after lap without causing incidents.
 
VFOURMAX1
I do find that it is interesting that the tracks being used to exhibit and promote the evil new changes to the penalty system and major losses to rankings are mainly from Tokyo, Mt. Panorama, Monza and Blue Moon.

Tracks which are and have been for a long time well known that on line races at those venues are very likely to be penalty filled carnage DR and SR killing ventures due to the nature of the circuits layout regardless of which penalty system is applied new or old.

I think most racers concerned about preserving DR and SR rankings usually have always avoided racing the dailies there as the risk for losing ratings is at a very high level as compared to many other circuits.
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It's also that daily C races are now more in line with how daily B races were for penalty risk, while daily B is very hard to keep a positive SR rank.

From my racing under the new penalty system lately

Monza GR.1 C race, second number is SR change.
Max of +14, worst -10 getting in the mess in lap 1 T1, no problem staying at SR.S, end at 99

2:30 AM Daily Race C Autodromo Nazionale Monza GR1 10 4 6 4
12:00 AM Daily Race C Autodromo Nazionale Monza GR1 9 10 6 3
11:30 PM Daily Race C Autodromo Nazionale Monza GR1 11 13 6 5
11:00 PM Daily Race C Autodromo Nazionale Monza GR1 2 10 3 -1
10:30 PM Daily Race C Autodromo Nazionale Monza GR1 11 -10 5 6
10:00 PM Daily Race C Autodromo Nazionale Monza GR1 11 10 4 7
8:00 PM Daily Race C Autodromo Nazionale Monza GR1 9 13 6 3
5:00 PM Daily Race C Autodromo Nazionale Monza GR1 10 14 4 6
4:30 PM Daily Race C Autodromo Nazionale Monza GR1 5 7 2 3
4:00 PM Daily Race C Autodromo Nazionale Monza GR1 4 -5 0 0

Compared to Monza yesterday Vulcan B race
Max of +5, worst -19 getting pinballed at first and second chicane first lap, started at SR 99, ended at 52

7:00 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 3 3 1 2
6:40 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 4 2 2 2
6:20 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 2 3 2 0
6:00 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 3 -11 1 2
5:40 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 2 5 1 1
5:20 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 1 -5 3 -2
5:00 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 1 -1 2 -1
4:40 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 4 2 3 1
4:20 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 1 4 1 0
4:00 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 3 -7 1 2
3:40 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 3 -7 2 1
3:20 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 4 0 2 2
3:00 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 5 -19 6 -1
12:20 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 5 1 3 2
12:00 PM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 3 5 2 1
11:40 AM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 2 4 1 1
11:20 AM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 2 2 1 1
11:00 AM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 8 -8 4 4
10:40 AM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 4 -8 5 -1
10:20 AM Daily Race B Autodromo Nazionale Monza N800 4 1 3 1

Nurb 24h daily B was hard to maintain SR 99 as well
Max of +5 SR, worst -16 getting nailed in T1 forced to slow down and join the destruction derby in the back with DR.B drivers while still being a strongly penalized DR.A driver

12:40 AM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 7 5 4 3
11:40 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 6 5 3 3
11:00 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 10 -6 15 -5
10:40 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 9 -6 9 0
9:00 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 7 5 6 1
6:40 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 1 5 1 0
6:20 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 1 5 1 0
5:20 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 3 -16 8 -5
5:00 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 3 2 5 -2
4:40 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 4 0 7 -3
4:20 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 3 5 5 -2
4:00 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 6 0 8 -2
3:40 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 8 2 6 2
3:00 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 10 -1 10 0
2:40 PM Daily Race B Nurburgring 24h GR3 8 5 7 1

It was actually easier to maintain max SR the first day the penalties were introduced
Max of +11 SR, worst -11, only 2 red ratings in all thanks to the high maximum

12:40 AM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 10 -2 9 1
12:20 AM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 9 6 6 3
12:00 AM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 9 11 5 4
11:40 PM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 15 6 13 2
11:20 PM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 14 5 9 5
11:00 PM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 14 11 6 8
10:40 PM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 1 0 1 0
7:00 PM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 11 -11 15 -4
6:40 PM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 13 6 7 6
6:00 PM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 15 11 6 9
4:20 PM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 12 6 9 3
4:00 PM Daily Race B Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A GR3 15 9 13 2

Mount Panorama C was very easy to keep out of trouble yesterday, started at 52 SR, 4 races later 99, for 2 more close races mid pack trouble free.

Overall the penalties are making races better. Monza is still a problem, however it is better than before the update where every T1 was trouble. Of course putting the Vulcan on there in a sprint race was straight up trolling by PD :)
 
VFOURMAX1
From what I am reading not many people are going to agree with your statement. I do agree but generally on this I am for sure in the minority in this thread anyway.
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I'm not anti harsh penalties. I think the current system does still need to shake out and I think it will make the racing very different. I think *better* is subjective. If I can lose SR and time for any contact no matter who's making then I'll need to totally avoid contact. If someone behind me can consistently infringe on my clean record and race outcome then I'll need to consider that too. I can pit strat that keeps me in a hole in traffic. I can let him through if he gets too close. It's all *different* and in my opinion not *better* and not *racing*. You may certainly have a different opinion. I'm not a rubbing's racing guy, I can race side by side and leave room no problem. I am definitely NOT a "getting tapped from behind mid apex is my fault" guy though.
 
VFOURMAX1
From what I am reading not many people are going to agree with your statement. I do agree but generally on this I am for sure in the minority in this thread anyway.
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Dive bombs have practically disappeared, only 2 attempts in all those races I have run since the penalty update! The only times I have been shoved and nudged in corners was from DR.B and lower drivers that don't get a penalty for that. No DR.A driver has pushed his way through my inside using me as a guardrail for days. I would say the occasional unfair penalty is worth that.

It needs improvements, yet without some super human AI being able to tell the difference between overly aggressive defending and attacking all you can do is punish both so both learn to race contact free.

Some penalties are not needed for minor contact that doesn't disrupt anything. Yet, give one finger and boundaries will be pushed again until that little nudge can be exploited to upset the other car's line. Racing with contact simply isn't a good idea when lag is a factor, keep a safety margin.

Racing close feels more exciting now penalties are on the line. At least you can race on with them, unlike damage. Cars slowing down in bad places is however a side effect that needs to be fixed. No scrubbing, penalty time served in the pit or added at the finish.
 

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