Just Raced Under The New Algorithms and Rules

[kilesa4568]

Is anyone doing a thread for PD with all the evidence or are you letting them spend a couple of months trying to find all the relevant facts in this monster of a thread?

I'm not volunteering. I'm too knackered from trying not to spin out with my wheel.

 

[bad_brain_1]

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[Voodoovaj]

I'm in the same region as you and while I've not done anywhere near as many races, I've had a similar experience. I posted this picture in another thread as an example.
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@Voodoovaj Your correct about the Euro region, in fact it's 63% of the total number according to one stats site.

See, and I have posted before that distance and ping do not have a 1:1 relationship. Distance can affect ping, but it isn't always going to create bad ping. I've had terrible ping to servers in my own city and great ping to servers on the other side of the continent. I've had terrible ping within my region in a sport race, then I go into a lobby with people from Europe and Asia and no one is lagging.

Sure, they can prioritize a region, but totally blocking people out is bad for the game.

 

[Mr616]

Is anyone doing a thread for PD with all the evidence or are you letting them spend a couple of months trying to find all the relevant facts in this monster of a thread?

I'm not volunteering. I'm too knackered from trying not to spin out with my wheel.

Impeccable comic timing

*Off topic sorry: Practice with the wheel is so worth it. Changed to a wheel a few months ago. Far far more enjoyable. Won't take you to long. Keep at it.

 

[kilesa4568]

Seeing as you started the off topic...

Doing OK so far as I was a few tenths off my lazy DS4 times. Even said hello to a lot of estranged apexes too but catching a slide is hard! I need another elbow on each arm to react quick enough.

 

[bdz_apa]

I know this has probably been discussed in the ~1000 posts on this thread, but in ONE RACE around suzuka east, my SR went from 76 down to 35!

I got 2 penalties in the race, but for lag taps where the person in front of my paused briefly because of their internet connections...

I then raced a CLEAN RACE on Mount Panorama(!!!) In gr.4 to get 1(!!!!!!) SR point?!? What the heck?

Agree.
When the latest update came I thought that might result in cleaner and better races. I was DR B SR S then, full of hopes. Then started to slide. Now down to DR C and SR D, as after today's Bathurst. Damn. Never forced anyone off track, never intentionally dive bombed others, when been penalized try to pull to the side rather than braking in middle of tarmac, as many do, btw. What's next?
I think it was kind a bad idea from PD to intruduce strict penalties and arranging daily races mostly at Monza, Tokyo or Bathurst, all those well, had been much troubled anyhow. It would have made sense to make dailies on less sensitive tracks first, so players could get used to it, apparently

 

[Lion-Face]

This is what I'm talking about when the race result is as much up to your as it is the other driver.

Now I know you didn't hit anyone in the run down Conrod, and yes, the Porsche driver should have put on the anchors sooner to prevent the accident.

You cannot rely on other drivers to do that, and you have to take your safety into your own hands. It may be a hard pill to swallow, but everyone should look at their own incidents in replay and see where things went wrong and how they can improve. I have done this many times, where I have been divebombed or bumped like this, and so I try to avoid these situations by driving predictively and putting my car out of harms way.

The Porsche driver that hit you, actually avoided an incident at the top of the hill as you cut to the left side of the track. You should have realised you made the mistake hitting the wall and stuck to your line on the right.

Then through the chase, you should have stayed left. You cut back to the right to take the racing line, regardless if you think the other car had a shot or not, this put your car in harms way.

This type of incident hasn't changed before or after the penalty changes. Now drivers are being punished for this type of incident which is fine, and better then prior when this type of incident wouldn't be punished at all in some cases.

My problem with this incident is both parties weren't punished equally. But as I have said before, you are the master of your own race results, and driving with your safety in mind as a priority may mean you lose a position, but that's better than taking a massive hit, losing multiple positions and DR/SR loss. If you drive with that in mind, your results will be more consistent, and drivers like that will eventually fall to the wayside.

 

[Voodoovaj]

So, another example of bad matchmaking.

I took a bad penalty for hitting a guy who stopped on the racing line to serve his penalty. I got bumped down to SR A. Then I end up in a room with D drivers.

This is what I am talking about. I get that my SR has been reduced, but lumping me in the D drivers all of a sudden can't be fun for everyone else, not when I usually race with A's and S's!

 

[Outspacer]

Is anyone doing a thread for PD with all the evidence or are you letting them spend a couple of months trying to find all the relevant facts in this monster of a thread?

I'm not volunteering. I'm too knackered from trying not to spin out with my wheel.

That's what they're paid for, isn't it

Honestly, since this isn't a bug we can't say "hey, we found this, please take a look". We don't actually have any facts, just a lot of opinions. There isn't any real suspicion that the changes aren't exactly what they intended to try out on us poor guinea pigs.

PD are still determined to try and determine fault as far as I can tell, so until they get that working really well or give up on it, they will continue on that path. I doubt we could influence that at all. (The code just seems to decide "equal fault" more than it used to).

They don't need to look here to see that there's clearly quite a lot of people upset by the 2 sec time penalties for minor contact. If they do look here (and we know they do), they'll quickly see there's also a fair bit of support for that change (or at least support for the direction of changes they made). The rest of our discussions are irrelevant to them deciding whether to change anything or what to change, IMO - they aren't likely to start taking our advice on the finer points of SR calcs, or when to serve penalties.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

So, another example of bad matchmaking.

I took a bad penalty for hitting a guy who stopped on the racing line to serve his penalty. I got bumped down to SR A. Then I end up in a room with D drivers.

This is what I am talking about. I get that my SR has been reduced, but lumping me in the D drivers all of a sudden can't be fun for everyone else, not when I usually race with A's and S's!

Also, being put down into a room with D drivers just means easy wins, which could actually be seen as a reward for people who have got lower SR due to dirty driving. And then they get an easy win with a clean race, end up at a high SR again, and the cycle continues

 

[bad_brain_1]

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[City01]

Bad match making is one of the side effect and consequence of this penalty change.

I am a DR S player, like many others, in a stage that risking to lost 2800+ points a match for only gaining 100+ points for a win in daily races.

Now S players have more harsh penalty than Dr-A/B players. A/B players can use it as their own advantage to be more aggressive or even dirty, because it is S player get the penalty. A rational S player who care Dr points should not enter daily race at all.

More and more S players stopped daily race. This make the situation worse. If you join, you are more likely to be the one S player and you have more potential-aggressive players to deal with AND risking to lost more DR points and gain less Dr points. This make this willing-to-join S player (like me) also stop and may eventually quit.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Ok now I'm angry. The system is not the problem, it's the idiots that serve penalties with total disregard of what happens around them. On the straight on Bathurst the left car slows down suddenly while I'm behind him, then the car next to him does the same. They don't even get a penalty for that, Automan and me get the damage from that sudden blockade.



Bathurst was clean this afternoon, yet now it's crash happy hour again. Later in that same race another idiot tries to go side by side through the mountain section while he's still behind. He manages to gain a little as I have to leave room for his nose he put there not to get a penalty. Of course 2 corners later he hits me not holding his line, another 3 sec. Result from that one race, 3 incidents (twice with Automan at the aftermath of penalty surfers) -25 SR, down to 74 from 99.

Guess I'll be racing with the penalty immune crowd again as a nice big target.

Edit: survived the first room of B to D with one other A driver. I got shoved into the wall in T2 by a DR.B driver yet he crashed later anyway. He had a red rating at the end, I got +1 SR, this is going to take a while ugh.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

I’ve done one race at Interlagos Gr1 @ SR-A since the patch and got a blue Letter. I think maybe four drivers got red SR letters at the end.

The other drivers seemed to be a lot more conservative and avoided contact quite more than before the patch.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Also, being put down into a room with D drivers just means easy wins, which could actually be seen as a reward for people who have got lower SR due to dirty driving. And then they get an easy win with a clean race, end up at a high SR again, and the cycle continues

Exactly. I've been saying this for months. BTW, I got two wins while demoted.

Bad match making is one of the side effect and consequence of this penalty change.

I am a DR S player, like many others, in a stage that risking to lost 2800+ points a match for only gaining 100+ points for a win in daily races.

Now S players have more harsh penalty than Dr-A/B players. A/B players can use it as their own advantage to be more aggressive or even dirty, because it is S player get the penalty. A rational S player who care Dr points should not enter daily race at all.

More and more S players stopped daily race. This make the situation worse. If you join, you are more likely to be the one S player and you have more potential-aggressive players to deal with AND risking to lost more DR points and gain less Dr points. This make this willing-to-join S player (like me) also stop and may eventually quit.

No, it's been like this for a while and I believe it's one of the reasons people stay away from Sport Mode.

Here is a race I ran a few minutes ago.

 

[bad_brain_1]

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[bad_brain_1]

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[Sven Jurgens]

Looks to me like you are master of your own race, mate. That's all on you, that is! /s

Yep, I should drive so slow my car ghosts during the entire race, problem solved.
Got hit again from behind in the next race, just once, 1.8 sec penalty and 0 SR at the end. Should have ghosted Cost me the win, took +2 sec at the finish.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Ok now I'm angry. The system is not the problem, it's the idiots that serve penalties with total disregard of what happens around them. On the straight on Bathurst the left car slows down suddenly while I'm behind him, then the car next to him does the same. They don't even get a penalty for that, Automan and me get the damage from that sudden blockade.

That's the same guy that stopped in front of me. I agree, I can live with the penalties if everyone is equal, but this stopping to serve penalties is nonsense.

On another note regard matchmaking, I got a screen grab of my race. DR S to DR D!!! Regardless of penalties, this should not happen. You can't tell me that there are so few players out there right now that A and S driver NEED to be in the room with D drivers. Give the S rating less weight and group drivers by skill. Give more points for higher SR ratings instead. This kind of matchmaking is bad for everyone. How enjoyable can it be for the guys outside the top of the list?

If this is because of too few players, well, Houston we have a problem. Either way, it's no good.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

You sure do have a great connection rate on that server.

I am sure all of the racers around you love that sawblade racing pattern you will be laying down on their screen from the lag with one connection bar.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That's the same guy that stopped in front of me. I agree, I can live with the penalties if everyone is equal, but this stopping to serve penalties is nonsense.

On another note regard matchmaking, I got a screen grab of my race. DR S to DR D!!! Regardless of penalties, this should not happen. You can't tell me that there are so few players out there right now that A and S driver NEED to be in the room with D drivers. Give the S rating less weight and group drivers by skill. Give more points for higher SR ratings instead. This kind of matchmaking is bad for everyone. How enjoyable can it be for the guys outside the top of the list?

If this is because of too few players, well, Houston we have a problem. Either way, it's no good.

I got in this room last race

What rules does an E/S driver follow

The top raced clean luckily, +5 SR, back to SR.S sort of. At 80 I'll still get the same matches for a while.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I got in this room last race
What rules does an E/S driver follow

The top raced clean luckily, +5 SR, back to SR.S sort of. At 80 I'll still get the same matches for a while.

I dropped to 74, but now I am at 90, which seems like a GREAT place to be to get these easy rooms. How long before people start exploiting this to get wins?

 

[Outspacer]

What rules does an E/S driver follow

With that pace, just 'follow' It's quite an advance in at most four races... too fast a change in SR, I reckon.

 

[City01]

On another note regard matchmaking, I got a screen grab of my race. DR S to DR D!!! Regardless of penalties, this should not happen. You can't tell me that there are so few players out there right now that A and S driver NEED to be in the room with D drivers. Give the S rating less weight and group drivers by skill. Give more points for higher SR ratings instead. This kind of matchmaking is bad for everyone. How enjoyable can it be for the guys outside the top of the list?

If this is because of too few players, well, Houston we have a problem. Either way, it's no good.

This is exactly the same as my two races in Asia/Oceanic region yesterday. As described in my post above, this is a recursive loop that make situation worse and worse. This make S player no intention to join (gain ten but risk lost thousands).

This mind can even spread to Dr A players if situation continue.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I dropped to 74, but now I am at 90, which seems like a GREAT place to be to get these easy rooms. How long before people start exploiting this to get wins?

I'm sure they are already after getting rammed repeatedly by the same A/S driver on nurb in the weekend. Saw him again yesterday after the Monza madness, racking up wins as B/B.

Next race was 3 A, 7 B, 6 D, all SR.S. Someone tries to overtake again in T2 while still behind my door, taps me as he goes wide, +1 sec, reduced to +1 SR at the end, 81 now. So balanced now!

With that pace, just 'follow' It's quite an advance in at most four races... too fast a change in SR, I reckon.

That's exactly what he was doing. Do you advance automatically to DR.D after 5 races? Or as long as you finish last you stay E?

 

[Voodoovaj]

I think we have uncovered an exploit, for those who want to use it.

You don't want a max SR of 99. You want to be and SR-S, but a low SR-S, like 80-90. Then, you can get into the rooms populated with mostly much lower ranked drivers, thereby increasing your chances of a pole and a win.

All you need to do is give someone a little bump. Nothing big. Just take a few 2 second penalties here and there.

Maybe these "dirty drivers" that have been the bane of so many already realized this advantageous state of being. This update just made is a little easier for them.

I got three wins today because of that 15 second penalty.

You sure do have a great connection rate on that server.
I am sure all of the racers around you love that sawblade racing pattern you will be laying down on their screen from the lag with one connection bar.

I wish I could control it. Thankfully, it began a full strength connection once the race started.

 

[Outspacer]

This mind can even spread to Dr A players if situation continue.

Indeed. High A is tough late at night. Need to quali well, and a lot of days I don't have the time to put into that, so don't race.

Four races at N24 the other night. Second race went badly as I spun coming out of T2, putting me last. Regained a bunch of places but lost 750 DR. Finishing 5th in the third race still lost me 3 points, and the other two good results couldn't quite make up the difference, nearly 100 points down overall.

There were about 10 DR Bs in each race. Had they even been low DR As then I would've had a reasonable +DR overall, maybe gaining 200 or so more DR points in each race (assuming I managed the same results). Overall +700 instead of -100, perhaps.

(timezone on this image is wrong)

Sun Mar 04 2018 02:34:17 GMT+0000 (GMT Standard Time) -> DR:45485 | SR:99/99 | Races:257 | DPUR:77
Sun Mar 04 2018 02:54:40 GMT+0000 (GMT Standard Time) -> DR:45838 | SR:99/99 | Races:258 | DPUR:79
Sun Mar 04 2018 03:14:39 GMT+0000 (GMT Standard Time) -> DR:45078 | SR:99/99 | Races:259 | DPUR:75
Sun Mar 04 2018 03:34:25 GMT+0000 (GMT Standard Time) -> DR:45075 | SR:99/99 | Races:260 | DPUR:75
Sun Mar 04 2018 03:55:08 GMT+0000 (GMT Standard Time) -> DR:45390 | SR:99/99 | Races:261 | DPUR:77

 

[City01]

Voodoovaj bring up a positive point!

Hey S-player/A-player, please just don’t focus on DR points. Now it is time to farm fastest lap, pole position and win! There is much less players compete with you now even for Sr-99. This is a once-in-life chance! Don’t miss it!

(Obviously I try to be positive and encourage ppl to play, to hope stop this snowball effect)

 

[bad_brain_1]

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[BSDShoes]

did some mt panorama races this weekend.

At first i thought penalty system wasnt that bad, but that went all wrong this weekend. i went from B/A down to to B/C, even from just 1 small tap. and the rest of the run was clean.

Of the 7 races I did on both Gr3 race C and Gr4 race B Bathurst, only two of them I finished in the top 5, I started between 2nd and 4th in each race. It was unbelievably frustrating.