Just Raced Under The New Algorithms and Rules

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bad_brain_1
No - none whatsoever!

The LG I have has a setting that enables you to do a 'panel clear' if there is any retention. Runs overnight and lets the little diode fairies have a chill out. I have never used it however.

I have screen dimming set as well, and the PS4 has a screen dimming/saving function as well.

I've been a little concerned about it at times (as you are correct, in that earlier OLED screens could retain things like HUD elements, and apparently were most often encountered with displays set to show sports stuff with banners that never moved - although almost never permanently), but have to say perhaps my worries were misplaced.
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OK, thanks. Good to hear that you have zero issues with it. Keep on racing :cheers:

Robben
It doesn't show penalties in replay...
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Really? Never noticed...
Then it better would. I think this could be a really useful educational feature. A full race debrief with all important info. And next time you will know better what's good and what's bad?
 
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bdz_apa
Really? Never noticed...
Then it better would. I think this could be a really useful educational feature. A full race debrief with all important info. And next time you will know better what's good and what's bad?
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Replays are missing both penalty and time gap information. We should have the option of turning penalty display on or off, but time gap information should always be displayed (it is frankly silly that gaps aren't shown now).
 
I'm a big fan of the Aussie Supercars series and watched the 1st race at Adelaide (recorded) last night. Apart from a little jostling for position at the start, it was a clean race other than driver mistakes over cooking it in some turns and clouting the wall.

The lack of fear in GTS with no chance of damage seemed significant. Like when I see my car in the dailies post race screen. If I see one scratch on it, it feels like I've got away with something...

This damned thread had me looking for possible penalties* in a 1,000km's of racing though!:grumpy:

*I didn't see any.
 
JulesDennis
The SR system you propose make zero sense.SR S should be clean drivers that can keep the car on track.Nothing more,nothing less.
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What kind of strange logic is this ? So you have SB levels E to S. Those are 6 levels. And you reserve the highest ranked level SB S just for people who can stay on the track ? Can you explain me in detail what the other SB levels are in that case ?

JulesDennis
You still talk about "aggressive" style as it is equal to "dirty".That simly is wrong. You also think that "non aggressive" drivers are supirior or more clean which again is not true.A more "passive" player can also be dirty and cause problems.
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I will quote my whole post, so that it can become more clear. Because I was explicitly not talking about being dirty or superior in relation to agression. Just that there are people who drive fair and in a respectful manner, some with and some without agression:

Macboyilija
Just to be sure: I see a big difference with those drivers and intentionally bad drivers. So dont get me wrong. We are still all fair and respectfull drivers. Yet some are a tad more agressive than others. And this needs to get filtered and I think this is what PD is doing:

Sure you are a good driver and do not hit someone on purpose, but you have the rush to be over-agressive. Which is not a bad thing ! However it is not how some other fair drivers would like to see. They would prefer even more fair racing. So you need not be in the same group.

Up to now all these people were in SS together or AS. Just let these fair non-agressive drivers stay in SS or AS. And let the people who want to be a little bit more agressive in SA or AA and for the real rubbing is racing the SB B. Because with regard to sportmanshift you belong there not in the same group as the over-protective group racers. This does not say what is more fun. To each his or her own fun of course.
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So I think it is all between your ears. Accept at first that not every GT planet member needs to be on SB S. Accept that being in SB A is just as good, or even better, because it is a bit more agressive so for a lot of people more fun. A lot of aliens can be in SB A. So let SB A be the real deal. I am really confident that most “whiners” than would be happy a lot more if they thought they were in the best group. But because there is SB A and S they just think that belonging in SB S is the only goal. Mis interpreting the intentions of these races.

I can add that watching FIA with SB S would be less interesting than watching SB A for that matter. And i would not mind it being broadcast for DR S SB A. Instead of DR S SB S. But people should really stop feeling the need to be in the upper class, while upper does not mean anything else than the S of sportmanship with no agression at all. This to me seems the only logic for 6 (!) SB classes. Any other explanation just makes no sense, since SB E would mean it would be only for people playing without a TV or something like that ??

SB S = boring with no contact, no hitting or bumps and no agression waiting for mistakes from your opponent
SB A = real racing with looking at the gaps when possible to overtake in a respectful agressive way

When formulated like this most people suddenly would not mind being in SB A.
 
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kilesa4568
I'm a big fan of the Aussie Supercars series and watched the 1st race at Adelaide (recorded) last night. Apart from a little jostling for position at the start, it was a clean race other than driver mistakes over cooking it in some turns and clouting the wall.

The lack of fear in GTS with no chance of damage seemed significant. Like when I see my car in the dailies post race screen. If I see one scratch on it, it feels like I've got away with something...

This damned thread had me looking for possible penalties* in a 1,000km's of racing though!:grumpy:

*I didn't see any.
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Many people are still of the mentality you can lean on and nudge other drivers. Even in an endurance race where drivers can do 2-3hr stints, any contact will be frowned upon, while any blatant nudge will get a warning or drive through penalty.

There’s an art to driving clean and it will rarely get you the best placing. So it’s upto people whether they value their personal ratings or risk it all for a podium or win.
 
Macboyilija
What kind of strange logic is this ? So you have SB levels E to S. Those are 6 levels. And you reserve the highest ranked level SB S just for people who can stay on the track ? Can you explain me in detail what the other SB levels are in that case ?



I will quote my whole post, so that it can become more clear. Because I was explicitly not talking about being dirty or superior in relation to agression. Just that there are people who drive fair and in a respectful manner, some with and some without agression:



So I think it is all between your ears. Accept at first that not every GT planet member needs to be on SB S. Accept that being in SB A is just as good, or even better, because it is a bit more agressive so for a lot of people more fun. A lot of aliens can be in SB A. So let SB A be the real deal. I am really confident that most “whiners” than would be happy a lot more if they thought they were in the best group. But because there is SB A and S they just think that belonging in SB S is the only goal. Mis interpreting the intentions of these races.

I can add that watching FIA with SB S would be less interesting than watching SB A for that matter. And i would not mind it being broadcast for DR S SB A. Instead of DR S SB S. But people should really stop feeling the need to be in the upper class, while upper does not mean anything else than the S of sportmanship with no agression at all. This to me seems the only logic for 6 (!) SB classes. Any other explanation just makes no sense, since SB E would mean it would be only for people playing without a TV or something like that ??

SB S = boring with no contact, no hitting or bumps and no agression waiting for mistakes from your opponent
SB A = real racing with looking at the gaps when possible to overtake in a respectful agressive way

When formulated like this most people suddenly would not mind being in SB A.
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Nice post.. but I don´t agree with you... And I hate being pushed out of the track or out of my race line by "pushers" that think that they are only being agressive but correct.?????... and not doing anything else wrong besides that... it happens that this ain´t soccer/football and "shoulder tackle" that in soccer is quite legal.. does´nt apply here!! That and the "love taps" on the back of the front dude... I like to keep my "ass" untouched.. cool???? And I think that´s the way it must be!!! (my untouched "ass"... and keeping other´s asses untouched .. tooo!)
 
There are certainly different strokes for different folks. I'm from the F1 fan of racing, any touching is a big no no.

If someone touches my behind it ruins my thoughts and it will make me drive with my mirror and make me brake sooner so their pushing is soaked up and I am not getting pushed deep in to a corner past the apex.

It would be great if the game rewarded accepting passes and passing, ie over/under cuts. Anything that encouraged respectful racing would be a big plus.
 
Macboyilija
SB S = boring with no contact, no hitting or bumps and no agression waiting for mistakes from your opponent
SB A = real racing with looking at the gaps when possible to overtake in a respectful agressive way
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Let me help you with this...
SB S = real racing with looking at the gaps when possible to overtake in a respectful aggressive way, gentleman racers... guys with their own money on the line. Think historic racing... guys want to preserve their rides, and those around them, but sure would like the bragging rights of a win, but not at the cost of damaging any car or other drivers race. Sometimes contact happens, but it rare and very much frowned upon.

SB A = real racing, sometimes nudging your opponent out of the way without wrecking him, gaining positions is most important, sponsored racers with advancing their career a top priority... think Blacpain/ETCC... guys with aspirations of F1 ride... nudging/pushing, and while frowned upon, happens and is often accepted...
 
Sven Jurgens
I have complete overlap at turn in point. The defender turns into me, yet he's a DR.B driver. Result I get SR Down and 2 sec penalty. He gets nothing for that, no red dot at the finish, all clear. If you're DR Bump, this is the way to stop DR.A and DR.S players.
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In that video, after contact the other car went off the track, which is why you got a penalty and the other driver didn't. It sucks, I know.

kilesa4568
I'm a big fan of the Aussie Supercars series and watched the 1st race at Adelaide (recorded) last night. Apart from a little jostling for position at the start, it was a clean race other than driver mistakes over cooking it in some turns and clouting the wall.

The lack of fear in GTS with no chance of damage seemed significant. Like when I see my car in the dailies post race screen. If I see one scratch on it, it feels like I've got away with something...

This damned thread had me looking for possible penalties* in a 1,000km's of racing though!:grumpy:

*I didn't see any.
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That Adelaide race was excellent, race 1 around lap 55 or so drivers started to make mistakes left and right (probably fatigue kicking in due to long off season), race 2 was a lot better with a sold out 90K crowd!
 
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cleanLX
Let me help you with this...
SB S = real racing with looking at the gaps when possible to overtake in a respectful aggressive way, gentleman racers... guys with their own money on the line. Think historic racing... guys want to preserve their rides, and those around them, but sure would like the bragging rights of a win, but not at the cost of damaging any car or other drivers race. Sometimes contact happens, but it rare and very much frowned upon.

SB A = real racing, sometimes nudging your opponent out of the way without wrecking him, gaining positions is most important, sponsored racers with advancing their career a top priority... think Blacpain/ETCC... guys with aspirations of F1 ride... nudging/pushing, and while frowned upon, happens and is often accepted...
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that part on your text where it´s written "real racing"... that should read :"a distorded by "Fast & Furious" full series impulse, version or real racing"...

I think.... :).

TenderLoins
“assfeelings”

I just spit coffee everywhere.
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sorry... it was´nt my intention, in any way to ruin, your´s or from anyone´s else, coffee moment... :(
 
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NAXEHT
Situation II (2.10 - 3.20): For some inexplicable reason this guy slams his foot on the brake causing me to hit him hard from behind, sending him flying into the barrier. Result? No penalty and a green SR indicator at the following checkpoint.

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It must have been an involuntary body movement created by comedic light-flashing. He was still flashing his lights *AS* he was in the process of crashing! :lol:
I am going to petition PD to dish out automatic penalties to people who flash their lights. Catch the person in front > Flash Lights > 5 second penalty.
 
Macboyilija
The examples you are giving are only proving my point tbh. Remember its a computer that needs to see what is happening.

Not attacking you as a fair driver Sven ! Just wanted to give some remarks from a different perspective as maybe seen from the games view.

You are driving pretty agressive there. The take-over of the car on the left could well be the reason for the penalty as well. Did that cross your mind ? You are in a place where you should maybe not be. Not saying you drive unfair, but see it what I meant about no agression vs a little agression.
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The penalty was for the car that rubbed me shooting by. The car on the left tried to block me so I switch sides, I never hit him. The penalty cleary states it was against the other car that shot by on my even further inside after the turn in point. It's a fast race with few overtaking opportunities. If I had slowed down there to stay behind the left car I would have lost 1 or potentially 3 places.

You say it yourself, you lose speed on a strange place which for the computer could seem you are intentionally blocking. Also I notice that some punishment are given while you already need to slow down. So could be that penalty’s are a bit harder then ?
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No, penalties are no affected by prior penalties. I always race on with penalties as long as it's 5 sec or less. I don't want to disrupt traffic when I don't have to.

Because you also seem to lose grip before impact (video needs different view) so the computer maybe blamed you for the incident. You are driving way to slow there which is logical for us since you brake for the drivers before you, but the computer may not see that part. Mostly because you seem unstable in the corner and it could just blame you for it. No big deal just bad luck. Its just a computer and definitely not just as clear as you say. (Of course the guy is dive bombing you that is not the issue here, just to be clear.)
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True, yet no real harm was done, no need to add a time penalty that has the potential of causing 2 cars to have to slow down with possible real issues as a result.

You miss your brake point. You were driving on a strange place on the track, maybe the computer misunderstood that ?
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Yes, I'm not perfect :) That's over 7 races, 70 laps, 3 mistakes. Yet do they warrant time penalties and SR down? Actually the worst penalty I got was for avoiding a car that skidded in the twisty bit, had to take a bit of grass while braking, slowed me down, avoided an accident and got 4.8 sec shortcut penalty. It is cheaper to hit the car having trouble!

Anyway it's examples of how the new algorithm dishes out penalties. Every little slip up is a penalty in a tight race.


BSDShoes
In that video, after contact the other car went off the track, which is why you got a penalty and the other driver didn't. It sucks, I know.
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Nah, I don't think so. Those penalties are usually not rounded up to the standard 2 sec. I don't even think he got in a shortcut there, track limits are pretty lax there. He didn't have all wheels off the curb. 2 sec is the default tap penalty.
 
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bdz_apa
Really? Never noticed...
Then it better would. I think this could be a really useful educational feature. A full race debrief with all important info. And next time you will know better what's good and what's bad?
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I set the recording time to 30 minutes for video clips and hit the share button after each race to save the replay. That keeps all the information as it was during the race. Replays let you see what another car saw, yet not really. It shows the car telemetry as you have received it after lag, so it might well have been a different experience for them on the track.
 
The System is complete garbage for S/S players!

I got pushed off track from behind @ Monza T1 as the polesetter, ended up in the sand, lost countless places and got a penalty on top!

This is just ridiculous...maybe the system got better for players in other DR/SR Ratings but right now i feel like prey for the others. It doesn't matter if i did something wrong or not, one tiny little contact and boom, penalty!
 
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We noticed that the wordings for one of the "Sport Mode" changes listed in the Update Details (1.13) article were unfortunately misleading. Please see below for the details.

INCORRECT
- In a collision between two cars, a penalty will now be added to the Driver Rating (DR) as well as incurring a Time Penalty depending on the situation;

CORRECT
　- In a collision between two cars, a Time Penalty will now be issued according to the player's Driver Rating (DR) and the situation;

We apologise for the confusion this may have caused.
 
I found the above text in the other thread so posted it here. I make it a separate post because its not my words and it seems important. So 2 posts from me one after another.

Mirror_man
Nice post.. but I don´t agree with you... And I hate being pushed out of the track or out of my race line by "pushers" that think that they are only being agressive but correct.?????
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By the reaction you give you do agree with me ? I dont understand where we dont agree ?

cleanLX
Let me help you with this...
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You clearly did not understand my post. My suggested SB E-S was quoted earlier. The one you quote from me was a reaction to my statement that people always want to drive the highest rank (so rank SB S). I suggested to rename the SB A as if it was the best group to be in. So people would be oke to stay in SB A rather to want to go to SB S. Thought this was pretty clear. My English is not my main language however so things maybe dont come forward as I sometimes intend.

Sven Jurgens
Anyway it's examples of how the new algorithm dishes out penalties. Every little slip up is a penalty in a tight race.
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I understand. But you also prove that people are penalised because of a reason. While a lot of people here say drivers all are penalised without a reason.
 
Macboyilija
You clearly did not understand my post. My suggested SB E-S was quoted earlier. The one you quote from me was a reaction to my statement that people always want to drive the highest rank (so rank SB S). I suggested to rename the SB A as if it was the best group to be in. So people would be oke to stay in SB A rather to want to go to SB S. Thought this was pretty clear. My English is not my main language however so things maybe dont come forward as I sometimes intend.
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Ahhh... got it... understood... I like your "brain game".
 
Macboyilija
We noticed that the wordings for one of the "Sport Mode" changes listed in the Update Details (1.13) article were unfortunately misleading. Please see below for the details.

INCORRECT
- In a collision between two cars, a penalty will now be added to the Driver Rating (DR) as well as incurring a Time Penalty depending on the situation;

CORRECT
　- In a collision between two cars, a Time Penalty will now be issued according to the player's Driver Rating (DR) and the situation;

We apologise for the confusion this may have caused.
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Wait, where did this come from?

Does this mean a driver with a high DR is less likely because the collision can be considered accidental (as they are a top driver), or is a driver with a high DR more likely to get a penalty because they should know better?

Does this also mean collisions don't actually lower our DR?
 
Macboyilija
I found the above text in the other thread so posted it here. I make it a separate post because its not my words and it seems important. So 2 posts from me one after another.


By the reaction you give you do agree with me ? I dont understand where we dont agree ?


You clearly did not understand my post. My suggested SB E-S was quoted earlier. The one you quote from me was a reaction to my statement that people always want to drive the highest rank (so rank SB S). I suggested to rename the SB A as if it was the best group to be in. So people would be oke to stay in SB A rather to want to go to SB S. Thought this was pretty clear. My English is not my main language however so things maybe dont come forward as I sometimes intend.


I understand. But you also prove that people are penalised because of a reason. While a lot of people here say drivers all are penalised without a reason.
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Your post is nice mainly because it´s very well built, presented and well written... that does'nt mean I agree with it... This also happens in real life you know?? I like to see a very nasty and beautiful girl for example.. but for some (known by most...) reason I may not agree with her behavior and even consider it to be quite re provable... ´I think that I don't need to say more...
 
Did the C Race (why does the game start me with a Position 1 label argh) and to no surprise i got a bit of love from the rear (yeah i know).

But i did not see SR blue or orange or penalty for others.. did i disable that or ?
 
TheGeologist
Wait, where did this come from?

Does this mean a driver with a high DR is less likely because the collision can be considered accidental (as they are a top driver), or is a driver with a high DR more likely to get a penalty because they should know better?

Does this also mean collisions don't actually lower our DR?
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Driver with higher DR is more likely to get the penalty. You may have seen a lot of DR S drivers complaining the most about the super harsh penalties. Last weekend I was endlessly rammed by DR D drivers and they rarely got penalties while I was rewarded some.
 

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