Kony 2012

LMSCorvetteGT2
Are you saying the U.S. is in on it with IC? (actually on your side not attacking)
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Bet on it: Within the year there will be some sort of military action in Uganda, be it a revolution or UN-led peacekeeping mission.
 
Damn me and my not being able to help myself...
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Kony puts the Infant in Infantry.

After reading about the Invisible Children, I've decided that there are better ways we could help people who are affected by Mr. Kony.
 
Think about this: If Kony didn't take these kids in and feed them and train them and whatnot, they'd probably be starving in poverty like the rest of country.
 
Ok first off I think we can all agree that "arresting" this guy is a good thing. However I don't really see the point of donating. Uganda barely has any serious attacks from him anymore and this whole thing is just supposed to bring awareness to the government to continue trying to stop him. I actually don't see how this will be that hard either he doesn't have a very large army and a lot are just kids. US should be able to roll in and roll out quick times compared to the huge battles they have faced before. I also don't see "arresting" (code for murdering everyone in a blood bath) super beneficial anyway. Someone from his crew is just gonna take over after. That's like the African way. Should be interesting to see what happens tho.

Edit: Keef I get what you meant but it's not like they are living the life of luxury just basking in the glory. They just have a couple new skills for the price of killing their families and others families. I'll take poor over that any day.
 
Schwartz38
Yes. I can't stand all those damn preppy kids in school who hear about this sort of stuff (this specific genocide has been happening for over 25 years) and suddenly decide something needs to be done about it. For a few months all these preppy kids decide to give a rip about the situation in Uganda. This whole "save the children" thing is a trend, nothing more. And, this trend will die, just like the trends of jean jackets and leather vests. In a few months everyone will go back to their facebook ways with zero regard for the rest of the world. I think its obvious that many teens use this sort of situation to make others think they are sensitive, and therefore climb the social ladder. To me, taking advantage of a situation such as the one in Uganda for your own personal gain is almost as disgusting as being the one who commits these horrible acts.

I can't stand smuggy people. "Hey, I'll spread the word, then feel good about myself because I know I have done something to help out." :grumpy:


Yes. People think anything they have done wrong in the past doesn't matter because they "care" now and are morally right. This is all about political correctness and social popularity.

Call me an internet hipster, I don't care.

Sorry, I'm raging hard right now.
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I agree with you but is it not better that some one gives a flying **** and highlights it than not at all?
 
phil_75
I agree with you but is it not better that some one gives a flying **** and highlights it than not at all?
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It would be if the people participating in it even knew what they were talking about. Everyone who posted it like crazy on Facebook only watched the video made by that guy trying to get donations and think it's 100% truth and nothing more than what the vid said. If you truly care you will have had all the facts from the beginning and be able to answer the most basic questions about the subject. Ask one of the hardcore Facebook posters to even point out Uganda on a map and watch how long it takes them.
 
Keef
Think about this: If Kony didn't take these kids in and feed them and train them and whatnot, they'd probably be starving in poverty like the rest of country.
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Yes they feed them, then they torture them and make them shoot people. Like Jacob in the video said, he'd rather die than get taken by them. I bet all the other children think that too.
 
phil_75
I agree with you but is it not better that some one gives a flying **** and highlights it than not at all?
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shmogt
It would be if the people participating in it even knew what they were talking about. Everyone who posted it like crazy on Facebook only watched the video made by that guy trying to get donations and think it's 100% truth and nothing more than what the vid said. If you truly care you will have had all the facts from the beginning and be able to answer the most basic questions about the subject. Ask one of the hardcore Facebook posters to even point out Uganda on a map and watch how long it takes them.
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What he said^. It is more helpful to the situation if you educate yourself before blindly putting out information someone gave you. Last time I checked, that was called spreading rumors. And we all know nothing good comes out of rumors and unchecked facts.
 
Anyone heard any more on the rumors that Kony has been dead for a couple of years?
 
People in my school don't even believe the opposite side of the argument. Every time someone tried to point out facts which went against KONY 2012, all the girls (and it was mostly girls who did this) called them heartless and un-sympathetic. God, sometimes people in my class are so stupid.
 
Yeah same with me. If You don't support the movement, you instantly support him :lol:
 
There is one sentence you can use for that : I don't care about Africa. Should stir up the emotions pretty good. :lol:
 
Really? Don't support Kony 2012 and you're a monster?

Nice.

This douchebag has been a dick for too long. I'm surprised nobody was able to sneak a bullet into his cranium all these years.

If we do find him (America that is) do we hand him over to the Hague or the Ugandan people?

And Keef, be careful with generalizing. Roman Catholics don't have a clean history but that shouldn't condemn the entire population.

That said, Santorum is gonna get owned by Obama. He's just another inbred clown.
 
Schwartz38
Yes. I can't stand all those damn preppy kids in school who hear about this sort of stuff (this specific genocide has been happening for over 25 years) and suddenly decide something needs to be done about it. For a few months all these preppy kids decide to give a rip about the situation in Uganda. This whole "save the children" thing is a trend, nothing more. And, this trend will die, just like the trends of jean jackets and leather vests. In a few months everyone will go back to their facebook ways with zero regard for the rest of the world. I think its obvious that many teens use this sort of situation to make others think they are sensitive, and therefore climb the social ladder. To me, taking advantage of a situation such as the one in Uganda for your own personal gain is almost as disgusting as being the one who commits these horrible acts.

I can't stand smuggy people. "Hey, I'll spread the word, then feel good about myself because I know I have done something to help out." :grumpy:
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gorsad
People in my school don't even believe the opposite side of the argument. Every time someone tried to point out facts which went against KONY 2012, all the girls (and it was mostly girls who did this) called them heartless and un-sympathetic. God, sometimes people in my class are so stupid.
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This. I made a status on Facebook (admittedly in a sarcastic and rude manor) telling people they should actually do some research before just jumping on the bandwagon. There were four guys that commented and two girls. The guys supported me in saying that people should do more research. :cheers: The girls jumped down my throat calling me an asshole (among other things) and saying that I was the ignorant one for not (blindly, as they are) supporting Kony 2012. :dunce:
 
It's because girls on Facebook usually dont think logically.

Did you at least shut them up?

I find tearing people apart on Facebook to be fun. And I love showing people their stupidity on Facebook.
 
Well, I commented with a multi paragraph response, after which one of the girls deleted her comments; the other never even responded. :dopey:
 
sumbrownkid
Excellent work.👍

Fighting ignorance one FB post at a time.
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Funny thing is, as the one that actually responded got more and more upset with each comment, I was still perfectly calm. I never even returned the favour of insulting them. I simply retorted with logic and facts. It's quite discerning to see the quality of my generation's intelligence going down the drain. :indiff:

On a side note: I love ranting, and I know I'm good at it (not the greatest, but better than most people my age :D).
 
The problem I have with this Kony 2012 fad is this.

It's not like the issue isn't known to governments around the world. It's not like the videos and facebook statuses are going to make Obama go "Wow, I never knew someone was doing bad stuff in Africa, I gotta stop this!"

It's not like nobody got involved in Africa over the course of the last, what, three decades? It's just that nothing was accomplished. And how would it? By replacing one radical group of murderers and rapists with another? And killing lots of people in the process, while risking the lives of dozens of soldiers from your own country? When did "peace through war" work? It certainly didn't work in the middle east, that's for sure, and it didn't work in Africa, so far.

This whole Kony 2012 awareness thing is somewhat like telling someone to extinquish a giant fire with their bare hands. You can tell them to do it as much as you want, it's not changing the fact thatt it's far easier said than done. Which a lot of those fauxtivists seem to ignore, entirely. The US/UN/NATO/whomever isn't just going to be able to waltz right down to Uganda, blast Kony's brains out and make everything well just like that.

And the best thing about all of this is that this whole fad also involves sending large amounts of money to a shady company. I mean, yeah, right... What a coincidence. :odd:

And while all of that is kinda cute, really, I'm getting ticked off by people who are naive enough to belive that sharing the Kony 2012 vid is somehow going to enable governments around the word to do something they haven't been able to do for decades. Makes perfect sense. And I'm being accused of being ignorant for not supporting that BS.
 
I know man, it seems intelligence is trait that is not looked upon as great anymore.

The problem with these issues is that people act and think on emotion instead of logically hammering it out.

People don't discuss how and why this man came to be. What environment did he come from? How do we make that environment better? Is there a way to combat poverty while making them SELF-SUFFICIENT and not DEPENDENT?

How can corruption be fought to make sure this disaster doesn't happen again?

These are tough questions that many don't properly address in their agendas.
 
Did anyone else read the article stating that only 32% of Visible Children's expenditure went to direct services.
From the Guardian
The Tumblr page, Visible Children has collected a number of these critiques. The non-profit's financial statements show that only 32% of the $8.6m it spent last year went to direct services. Meanwhile Foreign Affairs magazine has accused the organization of "manipulat[ing] facts for strategic purposes." Charity Navigator has given Invisible Children a two-star rating in accountability out of a possible four.
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disinfected
Anyone heard any more on the rumors that Kony has been dead for a couple of years?
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I have a buddy who just told me that one. He's in the Marines so he's less stupid than some other people I know. Not an official source, of course, but yeah. He said there's speculation that he was killed in 2009.
 
Ellis
Two things that I read today.

Uganda recently was found to have oil. And now America seems to have taken interest in the country. Raised eye brow much :)

And donation to this cause, approximately 32% of the money actually goes to Uganda. sounds fair. 👍
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From what I've read Tullow Oil plc already has dibs on that oil. One third sold to Total and another third sold to CNOOC so I don't think the US rolling in and eliminating Kony is going to guarantee them a piece of the pie. Museveni stands to profit nicely from this though. Anybody want to place a bet on how much of the oil money will ever be invested in improving the living conditions and lives of the Ugandan citizens on a whole? Considering how I've also read that the deals don't even have in any environmental protection policies or fines for spills and pollution it doesn't sound like the Government is looking at things in the countries best interest. There was also controversy about the Government accepting bribes from Tullow. :nervous:

http://news.morningstar.com/all/dow...s-in-uganda-oil-sector-has-hit-1-billion.aspx


Anyways, this thread isn't about Uganda, it's about Kony. :rolleyes: As for this, "only 32% in actual donations" thing. I've been seeing this number circulate around various articles and it has me curious. Each article is quick to state that it is a low number and it does seem low to me. However I have yet to see an article comparing ICs percentage of actual donations to any other charity. Can anybody give percentages of revenues donated by any other charities? I'd love to know how this number stacks up against other charities.

Also they have some responses to the critiques. http://www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html I found it an interesting read and it does clear up some of the concerns I had about the whole thing however I still don't like the strategy. In the letter to Obama I see this nice little paragraph:
Secondly, we encourage you to utilize funds that Congress has made available to help your Administration address the gaps in current efforts outlined above. In the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, $35 million was authorized to strengthen regional efforts to protect civilians and pursue top LRA commanders. These funds should be used to provide enhanced mobility, intelligence, and other support for ongoing operations, though it is crucial that any beneficiaries be monitored closely and held accountable for abuses committed against the civilian population or any other illicit activities.
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Does anyone else see this as saying, "We want you to give some money to the Ugandan army to beef them up a bit but don't worry we'll keep an eye on them in case they get up to any raping or looting like they have done in the past."?
 
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