KTM X-BOW Super Lap: Streets Of Willow Springs

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I haven't touched this event since the day I posted my time...I'm guessing that was on Friday. Perhaps I will go back and give it another go. I'll be honest. This is a very tough event for me. Yeah, I got a Gold Medal time, but nothing too fantastic. I think I currently sit at like 2600th place or so. Without question, this is one of the more challenging combos we've had, in quite some time.

A lot of times, I'll say "Yeah...I know I'm leaving time on the track here or there..." and I'll either just stick with the time I have or I'll go back and try my best to improve on that time. With this event, I really feel like I'm at the edge of my ability. Perhaps I'm not, but it sure feels like I am.
 
ALB123
I haven't touched this event since the day I posted my time...I'm guessing that was on Friday. Perhaps I will go back and give it another go. I'll be honest. This is a very tough event for me. Yeah, I got a Gold Medal time, but nothing too fantastic. I think I currently sit at like 2600th place or so. Without question, this is one of the more challenging combos we've had, in quite some time.

A lot of times, I'll say "Yeah...I know I'm leaving time on the track here or there..." and I'll either just stick with the time I have or I'll go back and try my best to improve on that time. With this event, I really feel like I'm at the edge of my ability. Perhaps I'm not, but it sure feels like I am.
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Try SW__10's tune, as it is the smoother one out there. The key to success is being able to apply throttle during the transition between corners in the twisty mid section. So, practice that and your times will get lower. And remember that the throttle is not an on/off button. Sometimes is better to keep mid throttle more time than full throttle earlier.
 
IBZ6L20VT
Try SW__10's tune, as it is the smoother one out there. The key to success is being able to apply throttle during the transition between corners in the twisty mid section. So, practice that and your times will get lower. And remember that the throttle is not an on/off button. Sometimes is better to keep mid throttle more time than full throttle earlier.
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Good advice 👍

Willow isn't a track that responds well to the hard gas/hard brake/hard turn/hard gas approach.

You need to be very smooth with all your inputs, hit the apex's, avoid sliding the car and use partial throttle a lot.

For the most part, the corners are slower than you think they should be, and a tight line is generally faster - this is particularly true in T2, where you need to think a corner ahead through the left/right/left/right to get the fastest line.
 
@IBZ6L20VT & @Stotty you both make fantastic points. To be perfectly honest, the main reason I've been considering putting a little more time into this event was so I could try @SW__10's tune. His tunes have been really, really good as of late (maybe they always were, but I've only started using them recently).

In this particular event, throttle control is probably the biggest single factor in determining whether or not someone is going to have a good lap or not. We get so used to Seasonal Event Super Laps where we are driving 180mph or more. This track requires finesse. You'd think that sweeping right-hander would be a relaxing turn after those quick corners, but no... even that turn requires a near perfect line if you don't want to ruin your lap by the midway point.
 
ALB123
In this particular event, throttle control is probably the biggest single factor in determining whether or not someone is going to have a good lap or not. We get so used to Seasonal Event Super Laps where we are driving 180mph or more. This track requires finesse. You'd think that sweeping right-hander would be a relaxing turn after those quick corners, but no... even that turn requires a near perfect line if you don't want to ruin your lap by the midway point.
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You got it :)

This TT is actually a really good one to improve your skills on. Other than avoiding losing the rear under braking in to turn 2, there's a lot less crashing as the entries are much slower and the car is more stable... which means you can focus on controlling the weight transfers with the throttle 👍

Personally, I'd start with a known good tune (@SW__10 seems to be able to run fast laps 👍), make it a little more stable to start with by reducing the front ride height, get to the point where you feel you're running consistently close to you limit in the car, then I'd gradually start raising the front ride height to get more rotation. The more laps you run, the more confident you'll get and the more rotation you'll be able to handle... this was the approach I took last night - started with the tune I last used at Ascari, toned it down a bit whilst I got used to the combo, then gradually added the rotation back.
 
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Stotty
You got it :)

This TT is actually a really good one to improve your skills on. Other than avoiding losing the rear under braking in to turn 2, there's a lot less crashing as the entries are much slower and the car is more stable... which means you can focus on controlling the weight transfers with the throttle 👍
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Ya know...I didn't really think of it that way. And that's probably why I'll always be an average driver...but you're 100% right. I should be using this combo as a learning exercise. i've got my Gold, so there is nothing to "stress" about when I start my lap. Just focus on maybe the first 3 turns to start and once I'm feeling comfortable, move on to the next group of turns. Rinse & repeat...
 
After many more laps with the KTM X-BOW, I've been able to crack the 1:10 barrier with a 1:09.917 lap:):)

I'm using @SW__10 's tune:tup:, and following @Stotty 's and @IBZ6L20VT 's thoughtful advice provided above.👍

I'm now driving like there's a pack of hungry wolf's chasing me around the Streets of Willow.:scared::D Trips thru the sand dunes are of no concern because there's always a chance that the sand will throw the wolf's off my scent!

Great fun!
GTsail
 
Flash_Sweden
Finally got it, using @shaunm80 's setup for the street version. Manual gearbox and TC 0 took me to 1:14,122. Turned TC to 1 and got gold and the hell out of there. And for the first time I'm ahead of @DolHaus :D At least for the moment :cheers:
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I really struggled with this one, not a fan of the XBow or Streets of Willow :lol:
Well done on your time, keep pushing :cheers:
(one day I'll put the effort into a drift event and see if I can beat you there for a change :lol:)
 
Flash_Sweden
Finally got it, using @shaunm80 's setup for the street version. Manual gearbox and TC 0 took me to 1:14,122. Turned TC to 1 and got gold and the hell out of there. And for the first time I'm ahead of @DolHaus :D At least for the moment :cheers:
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Im glad that the tune helped. I managed to get a time similar to yours I think. Not a bad track, just tricky to get it right and not over cook some of the tight corners. Well done for getting gold. :)
 
@DolHaus I'm not a big fan of the track either. I do like the car though, but at around 500 PP. Go for it! I've more or less given up in the drift seasonals, at least the last 2-3 sets of them. Just get gold and leave. I've gone from top 100 to top 1000. Might change when the winter comes up here though :)

@shaunm80 yeah, kind of a tricky combo. You can't really relax anywhere except for on the final stretch. And if you do, you'll end up in the gravel in the first corner.

I noticed I forgot to write how much I beat you @DolHaus. I did it 7/1000 of a second faster than you. I'm at 1:13,798. We're in totally different leagues this time. :lol:;)
 
Flash_Sweden
@DolHaus I'm not a big fan of the track either. I do like the car though, but at around 500 PP. Go for it! I've more or less given up in the drift seasonals, at least the last 2-3 sets of them. Just get gold and leave. I've gone from top 100 to top 1000. Might change when the winter comes up here though :)

@shaunm80 yeah, kind of a tricky combo. You can't really relax anywhere except for on the final stretch. And if you do, you'll end up in the gravel in the first corner.

I noticed I forgot to write how much I beat you @DolHaus. I did it 7/1000 of a second faster than you. I'm at 1:13,798. We're in totally different leagues this time. :lol:;)
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Winning by a coat of paint is still winning :cheers:
I just can't keep up with the speed that car changes direction, I lack the pin sharp reactions to make the most of those track weapons.

I've got into the top 1000 - 1500 on the drift trials recently, not bad for an auto-noob :lol: I'll have to keep an eye out for your scores if a decent event comes up 👍
 
my time 1.10.805 g25 (manual)
my friend time 1.10.5.. ds3 (auto)

KTM X-Bow Street 12
580pp, 332hp, 750kg.
39:61

Change oil
Body Rigidity Improvement.
parts:
CPU
High rpm turbo (3)
LSD 7-7-30
Triple clutch.
limit engine 100%

70/70
4.60/6.91
4/4
4/4
3/3
0/0
-0.25/+0.25

Brakes stok 4/5

1st install all engine parts. then
Transmission:

Max speed 180kph (min)
FG 4000
1: 3,525
2: 2,770
3: 2,252
4: 1,877
5: 1,582
6: 1,351
FG: 2.500
very stable, as the rails, try it.
Second sector is better to pass on the third gear
good luck.
 
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axxxim
my time 1.10.805 g25 (manual)
my friend time 1.10.5.. ds3 (auto)

KTM X-Bow Street 12
580pp, 332hp, 750kg.
39:61

Change oil
Body Rigidity Improvement.
parts:
CPU
High rpm turbo (3)
LSD 7-7-30
Triple clutch.
limit engine 100%

70/70
4.60/6.91
4/4
4/4
3/3
0/0
-0.25/+0.25

Brakes stok 4/5

1st install all engine parts. then
Transmission:

Max speed 180kph (min)
FG 4000
1: 3,525
2: 2,770
3: 2,252
4: 1,877
5: 1,582
6: 1,351
FG: 2.500
very stable, as the rails, try it.
Second sector is better to pass on the third gear
good luck.
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I'm not sure I can vouch for the "stable" or "on rails" part, but this tune (and TC 4) got me the best time I've gotten yet on my DS3.

This event/car combo is truly not my forte, but I wanted to say thanks to ALL the folks who posted tunes here, my own was far worse and I was throwing-controller-frustrated at this event for a while, but with your help I've finally seen the light at the end of the tunnel. :cheers:
 
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Son-of-a.... GAAAAAHHHH!!!! ****ING.... GGRRR!!!!!

SEASONAL TIME ATTACK!!

CAR: Rocket-powered skateboard with an elephant on the back
PP LIMIT: 9999999992.4
TIRE LIMIT: Elastic bands stretched over the brake disks

Why do you hate me so, Polyphony Digital? Have I somehow wronged you?

...*deep breaths*... Okay. I'm done. I give up. Best I got is a poxy, measly 1:15 and I just have to stop. Very bad words are coming out of my mouth with great volume and I'm in serious danger of tearing the steering wheel off of my G27 and throwing it at the TV with enough force to go through the TV and embed it firmly inside the PS3. Matt-blue paint will have to elude me for the time being.

Sorry to vent. I shall instead bring out the RX-8 and enjoy the catharsis of the latest seasonal events that have just appeared.
 
@jack burtone You are aware you have the best avatar on GTPlanet, right? :D 👍

@Stoop Solo I truly feel your pain. This combo is tough. I was lucky enough to scrape by with a Gold Medal time, but just barely. I'll probably go back in a couple of days and give it a few more attempts to see if I can improve my time, but I'm not counting on it. The only advice I can give you, from one person to another who is frustrated with this car/track combo -- drive slower in the parts you think you should be "making up time".

I haven't seen your replay file, but I'm sure it's probably similar to mine...too much sliding around. Over-driving the car on this tight, twisty track. Of course, you can't just putt around in 3rd gear and expect a Gold Medal time. I'm not trying to insinuate that when I say "drive slower". Maybe I should re-phrase that to say "make sure you are 100% in control of the Xbow at all times". If your tires are breaking free/getting loose and sliding all over the place, you're not in control. THIS was MY issue when I was hitting 1:15.xxx lap times.

That big, sweeping right-hand turn that's about halfway through the course -- I can't tell you how many times I would approach that thing and my car would just keep sliding and sliding up to the edge of the tarmac. Several times I just flew into the desert sand. But even on the runs that I was just barely able to keep my left wheels on the edge of the track, my times were no good. It wasn't until I started coming into that corner with a lot more control - entering the corner slower, but then dropping the hammer once I got through the apex and knew I could put all that power down without fear of being thrown off the track.

I'll keep rooting for you! Take a break - maybe even for a day or two...but try it again and just tell yourself you're going to follow a smooth line without caring about your time. You won't be competing for World Record time...neither am I, but I was able to knock those 2 seconds off to get Gold and I believe you can do it too! 👍 :)
 
That's a great time you set @nicokin89 👍

Just popped in to the 8's with a 1'08.927 for 12th.

Great combo - almost as good as the Lexus at Brands :D

I have 2 tunes for the car now; the 1st is a safe tune that I've run 1'09.103 in, the 2nd uses some ballast and more power, is much harder to drive, but is faster and would probably run mid 8's.

I'll post them over the weekend sometime.
 
Stotty
That's a great time you set @nicokin89 👍

Just popped in to the 8's with a 1'08.927 for 12th.

Great combo - almost as good as the Lexus at Brands :D

I have 2 tunes for the car now; the 1st is a safe tune that I've run 1'09.103 in, the 2nd uses some ballast and more power, is much harder to drive, but is faster and would probably run mid 8's.

I'll post them over the weekend sometime.
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Damn good lap, I have had just couple of opportunities to maybe brake in to 8's (on @SW__10 tune, thanks a million times, once again :D)but I really mess it all up coming to those final turns, after that back straight there's this really fast left turn and then hard brake and wide line for the next quite slow left corner but what the hell I'm suppose to do after that, I mean that right hand turn before the chicane is quite easy to go trough but I have no idea what line should I follow there to get the best approach for the chicane, is it possible that I take that right turn too fast :boggled:

But yeah, congrats for your effort, and really any kind tips would be good, I'm feeling like a blind man coming towards the end of the lap, no freaking idea what am I suppose to do there :banghead: :banghead: :lol: :lol:
 
ODB
Damn good lap, I have had just couple of opportunities to maybe brake in to 8's (on @SW__10 tune, thanks a million times, once again :D)but I really mess it all up coming to those final turns, after that back straight there's this really fast left turn and then hard brake and wide line for the next quite slow left corner but what the hell I'm suppose to do after that, I mean that right hand turn before the chicane is quite easy to go trough but I have no idea what line should I follow there to get the best approach for the chicane, is it possible that I take that right turn too fast :boggled:

But yeah, congrats for your effort, and really any kind tips would be good, I'm feeling like a blind man coming towards the end of the lap, no freaking idea what am I suppose to do there :banghead: :banghead: :lol: :lol:
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Yeah, the final section is a lap killer :lol:

On the out lap, I take as wide an entry to the corner leading on to the straight as possible to maximise speed over the start line... but on a timed lap, that approach doesn't work... I'm using a more middle line there, trying to maintain a constant turn radius. Make sure you don't run too far to the left on the exit of the corner preceding the chicane, and best to sacrifice a bit of speed in the chicane entry to stop running too wide in the final corner.

I reckon I lost at least 0.1 in the final corner in my current best lap as my 'fast tune' with ballast really struggles there.
 
Yeah, those last two corners of this track is almost as much fun as trying to nail that god damn first chicane on Ascari :banghead: :lol: I mean sometimes it really seems to me like track designers are just a bunch of sadistic bastards :lol: :lol:


(Damn I'm still drunk :lol: can't make a sentence :boggled: :D)
 
Here are the 2 tunes I have for the X-Bow Street '12...

Tune 1 (best lap 1'09.113)
Ride 90 90
Spring 4.50 8.50
Bound 10 1
Rebound 1 10
ARB 4 6
Camber 0 0
Toe 0 0
Brakes 6 3
LSD 10 7 15

Parts: No oil change, chassis strengthening, computer, racing exhaust, catalytic converter, high RPM turbo
No weight reduction, power limiter 99.3%, 360bhp, 42kgfm, 790kg, 2.19kg/bhp, 580 ppts

Tune 2 (best lap 1'08.927)
Ride 95 90
Spring 4.50 8.50
Bound 10 1
Rebound 1 10
ARB 5 7
Camber 0 0
Toe 0 0
Brakes 6 3
LSD 10 7 12

Parts: No oil change, chassis strengthening, computer, racing exhaust, engine stage 3, high RPM turbo
No weight reduction, 101kg ballast @ pos 25, power limiter 97.7%, 428bhp, 50kgfm, 891kg, 2.08kg/bhp, 580 ppts

Sorry, no gears as the set was already on the car and I'm not sure how I got to them originally! The set I have is quite short and I never need to drop lower than 3rd.

Tune 1 is really easy to drive - stable on the brakes & will take plenty of throttle on the exits.

Tune 2 is much faster in a straight line, but is harder to stop/turn and requires more delicate throttle control on the exits as it has a lot more torque. I only ran this one briefly, so probably a bit of fine tuning still to do.
 
SW__10
Improved my time after making some changes to my tune 👍

I'm glad I've finally got in the 1:08's! :dopey:

I'm glad the tune is working for you @ODB 👍.

Nice lap @Stotty 👍. Borrowed your Ride height & BB 👍

:cheers:
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Awesome lap mate :cheers: and thanks for sharing, I will definitely give this a go first thing in monday after work!!

Never been much of a fan of this track, but in a right car and a right tune it's really enjoyable 👍
 

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