KY Confirms GT6 In Development Already

[Tapey]

Looks like I was right on the money with Sony's intentions to release the PS4 close to the next Xbox console in 2013. Here's the official word from the boss of PlayStation Europe, quoted at an event in London today:

Having given Microsoft a year's head start in the current generation, PlayStation Europe boss Jim Ryan said it would be "undesirable" for PS4 to repeat that for the next-generation.

Speaking to Eurogamer TV this afternoon at a press event for PlayStation Vita in London, Ryan, who stepped up to the SCEE top job in the summer, said: "I think we would consider it undesirable to be significantly later than the competition [with the next PlayStation]."

With Wii U out next year and Microsoft expected to reveal the next Xbox in 2012 amid suggestions that a number of studios are already making games for a 2013 launch, industry chatter regarding a PlayStation 3 successor has been considerably more muted.

This, coupled with Sony's overall financial position, has led to speculation that the company is behind its rivals with its next-generation planning.

Ryan defended Sony's strategy, insisting: "There's still a lot of unfinished business on PS3."

He added: "If you look at PlayStation 2, now in excess of 150m units installed globally, a huge majority of that was done at price points of £120 or lower. [With PS3] we've only just hit £199 in the UK, so clearly there's a considerable untapped part of the market there."

Last week Edge reported that a first-party Sony studio had ceased PS3 development and moved onto PS4 development. The unnamed developer is also apparently involved in building the graphics technology for Sony's next system.

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Just like I thought, given the high probability of Microsoft unveiling the next Xbox at E3 2012, Sony will more than likely do the same. Chances of PD pushing out another GT game on the PS3 seem to get smaller and smaller, but we might see it announced at E3 next year perhaps? I guess we'll see!

 

[shurnster]

Looks like I was right on the money with Sony's intentions to release the PS4 close to the next Xbox console in 2013. Here's the official word from the boss of PlayStation Europe, quoted at an event in London today:



Source

Just like I thought, given the high probability of Microsoft unveiling the next Xbox at E3 2012, Sony will more than likely do the same. Chances of PD pushing out another GT game on the PS3 seem to get smaller and smaller, but we might see it announced at E3 next year perhaps? I guess we'll see!

I guess there's a possibility that GT6 may be on the PS4. If true, then I'll wait.

 

[GTShadowKing]

I guess there's a possibility that GT6 may be on the PS4. If true, then I'll wait.

Or they could do it for both

 

[AleksandarSRB]

I hope that E3 2012 will bring as some news about GT6.

 

[Tireseas]

For your own sanity, and that of the community at large. I'd strongly advise you to forget about the game till it has a solid shelf date. We saw what happened with GT5 where the community had half a decade to sit around being the equivalent of the annoying kid on the road trip going "Are we there yet?". Let's as a community choose not to go down that path again.

 

[Alex p.]

For your own sanity, and that of the community at large. I'd strongly advise you to forget about the game till it has a solid shelf date. We saw what happened with GT5 where the community had half a decade to sit around being the equivalent of the annoying kid on the road trip going "Are we there yet?". Let's as a community choose not to go down that path again.

Haha you're so right good Sir, let us follow the advice of this wise man. 👍

 

[CSLACR]

Looks like I was right on the money with Sony's intentions to release the PS4 close to the next Xbox console in 2013. Here's the official word from the boss of PlayStation Europe, quoted at an event in London today:



Source

Just like I thought, given the high probability of Microsoft unveiling the next Xbox at E3 2012, Sony will more than likely do the same. Chances of PD pushing out another GT game on the PS3 seem to get smaller and smaller, but we might see it announced at E3 next year perhaps? I guess we'll see!

And a GT6 2 years after GT5 would fall where?
Right in the middle of other consoles releases, giving Sony a higher market value at the time, to stave it over for the delay to PS4.

Of course, anything is possible, but I honestly don't forsee a GT game as a release title, or even close to it, so that leaves our primary options, GT6 on PS3 in a reasonable amount of time, and well before PS4's release, or another 4-5 year wait.

If I were Sony, I wouldn't pick the latter.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

For your own sanity, and that of the community at large. I'd strongly advise you to forget about the game till it has a solid shelf date. We saw what happened with GT5 where the community had half a decade to sit around being the equivalent of the annoying kid on the road trip going "Are we there yet?". Let's as a community choose not to go down that path again.

Agreed, the wait and all the hype created is what made this large outpour of angst toward PD. Just take the casual gamer route and when it is big news then read into it, but for the love of all that is rational/sane...don't build yourself up.

EDIT
The only reason I agree with PD releasing the next game on PS4 is due to how long it took them to make GT5 so far into the PS3 lifespan. The PS3 was released in 2006 and if we look at when the other game systems by sony were released, they're all six years apart. So PS4 being released in 2013 Seems fair, and a reason why PD wont release another game on the PS3.

 

[CSLACR]

Agreed, the wait and all the hype created is what made this large outpour of angst toward PD. Just take the casual gamer route and when it is big news then read into it, but for the love of all that is rational/sane...don't build yourself up.

EDIT
The only reason I agree with PD releasing the next game on PS4 is due to how long it took them to make GT5 so far into the PS3 lifespan. The PS3 was released in 2006 and if we look at when the other game systems by sony were released, they're all six years apart. So PS4 being released in 2013 Seems fair, and a reason why PD wont release another game on the PS3.

That makes sense. (assuming one believes a 2013 release of PS4)
It also means you believe Kaz is an outright liar. I'm not saying he isn't, but I don't know of him directly lying like that before
He's been very clear that it won't take nearly as long to make GT6 as it did GT5, which is hard to believe if you believe it will be a PS4 title.

 

[Tintorera]

When developing GT5, PD made a platform to build the sequel on according to KAZ.
That is why the development time for GT6 should be considerably shorter than GT5.

This strongly suggests that GT6 is intended for PS3. This also follows the pattern of two main series GT releases per PS platform.

GT6 = 2013 on PS3

 

[Tapey]

And a GT6 2 years after GT5 would fall where?
Right in the middle of other consoles releases, giving Sony a higher market value at the time, to stave it over for the delay to PS4.

Of course, anything is possible, but I honestly don't forsee a GT game as a release title, or even close to it, so that leaves our primary options, GT6 on PS3 in a reasonable amount of time, and well before PS4's release, or another 4-5 year wait.

If I were Sony, I wouldn't pick the latter.

GT6 after 2 years would fall into the "That's highly unlikely but would be nice even though it would spell disaster for Sony" category in my opinion.

Out of curiosity though, why don't you see a GT game as a launch title? Are you forgetting that GT3 was released only a few months after the launch of the PS2, and went on to become the best-selling game in the history of the franchise, as well as being partly responsible for the increadinly strong launch and sales of the PS2 itself as a console?

Since then, I think sony have realized just how bad not having a GT game for the launch of the PS3 screwed them over (nevermind fans having to wait 5 years for the game). I think they know that if they want the PS4 launch to be successful, they'll need big guns like GT6 etc to be ready.

That makes sense. (assuming one believes a 2013 release of PS4)
It also means you believe Kaz is an outright liar. I'm not saying he isn't, but I don't know of him directly lying like that before
He's been very clear that it won't take nearly as long to make GT6 as it did GT5, which is hard to believe if you believe it will be a PS4 title.

Also quoting this quickly but regardless of Kaz having lied before (so he obviously doesn't care) but how does "GT6 won't take as long to make" result in him being a liar if the game releases on PS4? If the console does release in 2013 and they have a GT game ready for the launch window, that's only 3 years after GT5.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

For your own sanity, and that of the community at large. I'd strongly advise you to forget about the game till it has a solid shelf date. We saw what happened with GT5 where the community had half a decade to sit around being the equivalent of the annoying kid on the road trip going "Are we there yet?". Let's as a community choose not to go down that path again.

That was mostly fueled by a unusual turn of events.

PD had never gone more than a 4yr cycle between releases, prior to GT5.

Resultingly, speculation, frustration, expectation, and anxiousness were stirred up like a school of Great Whites on a feeding frenzy.

I doubt PD will repeat that scenario, but once the rumors start to fly,
I also doubt there won't be a repeat along the same lines, just probably a little more tempered this time.

...don't build yourself up.

After the debacle with GT5, this will be my approach.
I don't even plan to buy the game, until its been out and I have the chance to evaluate it and see if its worth it.

 

[CSLACR]

GT6 after 2 years would fall into the "That's highly unlikely but would be nice even though it would spell disaster for Sony" category in my opinion.

Tell me how it spells disaster.

Out of curiosity though, why don't you see a GT game as a launch title? Are you forgetting that GT3 was released only a few months after the launch of the PS2, and went on to become the best-selling game in the history of the franchise, as well as being partly responsible for the increadinly strong launch and sales of the PS2 itself as a console?

That was before it took them 6 years to make a game for a more advanced system.
So that's a great story, and theoretically possible, a better question is, "why would I find it likely"?

Since then, I think sony have realized just how bad not having a GT game for the launch of the PS3 screwed them over (nevermind fans having to wait 5 years for the game). I think they know that if they want the PS4 launch to be successful, they'll need big guns like GT6 etc to be ready.

How did not having a GT title hurt them at launch? The system released a year after the XBOX360, and yet people compare their sales as though they released on the same day.... Doesn't make any sense if you ask me.
The PS3 was hurt at launch because they barely had any games at all, a big hitter like GT aside, nobody wants a console with 15 games to choose from. (which all mostly suck, or were already bought for PS2)

Also quoting this quickly but regardless of Kaz having lied before (so he obviously doesn't care) but how does "GT6 won't take as long to make" result in him being a liar if the game releases on PS4? If the console does release in 2013 and they have a GT game ready for the launch window, that's only 3 years after GT5.

You're assuming a lot there. First off, show me where he directly lied before please.(link - source)

But yeah, if you believe PD has known the format and been programming for PS4 the past few years already, etc, then anything's possible.

But since I have no evidence of PD having this enormous head start, to have been programming for a system 4-6 years before it's release ( ) I can't really buy into it.

 

[Tireseas]

That makes sense. (assuming one believes a 2013 release of PS4)
It also means you believe Kaz is an outright liar. I'm not saying he isn't, but I don't know of him directly lying like that before
He's been very clear that it won't take nearly as long to make GT6 as it did GT5, which is hard to believe if you believe it will be a PS4 title.

I believe Kaz has a habitual problem with talking about plans before it becomes clear he can actually deliver on them. The man dreams big, but he's not always in touch with reality as we know it. That doesn't make him an intentional liar, but it does pretty much destroy his credibility till the product is done.

 

[Tornado]

Are you forgetting that GT3 was released only a few months after the launch of the PS2

No it wasn't. It was released over a year after the PS2 came out.

 

[Tapey]

It came out less than a year after the PS2 released in the two largest regions, Europe and America, so for a significant amount of Sony's customers they did in fact get a Gran Turismo game out quite soon after the console launched. PS2 hit stores shelves in Winter and the game was out by Summer

Tell me how it spells disaster.

Well it should be obvious if Sony's biggest development studio is busy making a game for old hardware when their new home console releases, they'd be sabotaging their own console launch wouldn't they? Actively encouraging people to stick with the PS3 rather than upgrading.

That was before it took them 6 years to make a game for a more advanced system.
So that's a great story, and theoretically possible, a better question is, "why would I find it likely"?

Well if you don't then there's no way you can be convinced is there? I'm just stating why I think the game will be on PS4 rather than PS3. In those 6 years PD put out 4 games for 3 different consoles though.

How did not having a GT title hurt them at launch? The system released a year after the XBOX360, and yet people compare their sales as though they released on the same day.... Doesn't make any sense if you ask me.
The PS3 was hurt at launch because they barely had any games at all, a big hitter like GT aside, nobody wants a console with 15 games to choose from. (which all mostly suck, or were already bought for PS2)

You said it yourself, a lack of software support, and a major lack of good software support as well.

You're assuming a lot there. First off, show me where he directly lied before please.(link - source)

But yeah, if you believe PD has known the format and been programming for PS4 the past few years already, etc, then anything's possible.

But since I have no evidence of PD having this enormous head start, to have been programming for a system 4-6 years before it's release ( ) I can't really buy into it.

Release date for GT5 is a good example, I shouldn't need to source that at all given how well known it is. As for developers needing to be programming for a console for 4-6 years before they can release a game for it, I disagree with that personally

 

[Tenacious D]

Well it should be obvious if Sony's biggest development studio is busy making a game for old hardware when their new home console releases, they'd be sabotaging their own console launch wouldn't they? Actively encouraging people to stick with the PS3 rather than upgrading.

This is a key factor right here. I fully expect the PS4 to release in two or three years, 2013 to 2014, to coincide with the XBox3.

The main problem with the PS3 wasn't lack of good games at release, outside of a certain "killer app," which most of my games are first and second year releases which sold pretty well. It was the price. If you recall, in the US it was $499 for a model with a 20gig drive, and $599 for a 60gig and a few more features, which is what I bought. Ken Kutaragi probably overestimated the pace at which the PS3 tech would be common and affordable by a year or more, and thus we had a one year wait for this machine. Keep in mind that he started this development with IBM and Toshiba way back in the year 2000, which to guess what technology is going to cost over five-plus years is ambitious to say the least. For that matter, the blue-violet laser diodes necessary for the Blu-ray drive weren't even available in quantity until 2006, and were still in short supply for a while.

Everything to do with PS3 other than the RSX GPU, based on the nVidia 7800 chipset, was brand new technology, or very advanced in the case of the ram. If PS3 had released in 2005 with the XBox360, it would have likely cost $800-plus for the 60gig, and cost SONY $1000 or more to produce.

Now none of this will be a factor with the PS4. SONY won't have to create a new optical format this time, with Blu-ray capacity of 200GB or more and faster drives available. Fast, large format hard drives will be affordable, up to 4 terrabytes or even more. It won't have to have the fastest ram made specifically for it, or a dozen GB of it, off the shelf ram should be just fine. A likely number would be 3-4GB of system ram, and 1-2GB of fast graphic ram - edit, because I recalled that a 1920x1080p screen frame is a whopping amount of data. Whatever the CPU will be, Cell or an IBM 7 derivative, it's undoubtedly going to be multicore, and in conjunction with a good number of SPE processors for specialized computing in conjunction with the GPU, which is likely made by nVidia in the 200 or 300 family, extremely powerful but cheap to make. All mature, affordable, and readily available by 2013.

On top of that, the PS4 is being designed with a lot of developer involvement (linkie). So the days of the PS2 and 3 being hard to work on out of the gate seem to be over with PS4. Don't read into this as me saying the systems won't allow games to grow and improve with time and familiarity. The 360 was almost as easy to develop on as any PC, and yet Forza 4 looks much better than Forza 2. But the days of developers sharing a lot of phone calls and emails to get their games to run well are likely a thing of the past, outside of specific instances.

In the meantime, the PS3 is showing its age, as is the 360. There are no shortage of PC gamers and journalists going on and on about how dated both systems are compared to even mediocre gaming PCs. Developers aren't just beginning to discuss that the PS3 is running out of available power, they've been saying it, such as DICE with Battlefield 3, and Naughty Dog discussing Uncharted 2 back in 2009. Tech heads have been mentioning PS3 performance bottlenecks for years. Even Kazunori, the loyal SONY vice-president, has mentioned that the work done in GT5 has exceeded the capacity of the PS3 here, and here for example.

No one insisting that GT5 only has problems because it's "the first GT game" on PS3 can explain why Prologue, a game with at least two years less development work on it, looks better. And Prologue is actually hampered because a typical 16 car race is pushing more polygons around the screen than in GT5. Anyone care to explain this? Because no one has yet bothered to.

Some of you guys act like I'm saying a GT6 on PS3 will be mediocre. Or will suck. Or can't happen because it will cause all the PS3s in the world to cause nuclear explosions. I mean seriously, give me a break, people.

What I am saying is that GT6 on PS3 will be much less than GT6 on PS4, and will be a much better game on PS4, and won't take much longer at all to make on PS4.

There will be no more cars and tracks in GT6 on PS3 than GT6 on PS4 made in the same period of time.

There will be no magical mine of sudden Cell horsepower discovered in PS3 which had been mysteriously overlooked by ace programmers for years, which will mean 16 Premium cars with thousand layer custom liveries on Premium tracks made by a much expanded Course Creator in much better looking rain. Or a Movie Maker, so forget that. So, if you think all Kaz needs to do is have the team load up the PS3 with even more to do at once - solid 60fps, no screen tearing, no particle effects issues, better shadows, better physics, better A.I., better weather effects, whatever else - and it will just work somehow, then tell me why you think this can happen. I've explained myself how it can, but I seem to be the only one stating anything of substance.

And I don't expect GT6 even if it is on PS3 to come before 2013. The logistics of the content necessary to justify GT6 require time, and I can't see a GT6 with very little new Premium content, especially tracks, will have massive appeal, unless you allow GT6 to have all this Standard content too. And no matter how you paint it, that wouldn't make Kaz a liar because four years is less than almost six. And that whole "lying" thing is really dumb anyway. If a developer takes a few months or a year more to make a better game for us, that's the kind of lying I want to see from them.

Does all this mean that GT6 WILL NOT HAPPEN on PS3? No. Or that I'm saying that? No. Or that I'm saying IT WILL BE FULL OF LAME? No.

What I am saying is that it looks to me that all this indicates that the needle is pointing more towards GT6 appearing on PS4 than PS3. And if you don't think that GT6 won't give PS4 all the sex appeal of a nekkie supermodel in a Porsche 911 racecar, think again. Can you think of any other game which would?

But no matter what, Kaz isn't looking to ME for advice on this matter. Or you. He will do what he will do, and that will be the end of that. If GT6 is on PS3, I won't shed a tear and will pre-order it. But if it's on PS4, don't cry over it yourselves.

These are my thoughts on the issue, nothing more, nothing less. If you have a cow over them... well, have fun with your cow.

 

[CSLACR]

It came out less than a year after the PS2 released in the two largest regions, Europe and America, so for a significant amount of Sony's customers they did in fact get a Gran Turismo game out quite soon after the console launched. PS2 hit stores shelves in Winter and the game was out by Summer

That was the past. How did that work out for PS3? 4 years it took for one "full" game, that needed updates for a year to still not include all of what was promised?
I find the recent past much more relevant to this then the decade-old past.

Well it should be obvious if Sony's biggest development studio is busy making a game for old hardware when their new home console releases, they'd be sabotaging their own console launch wouldn't they? Actively encouraging people to stick with the PS3 rather than upgrading.

So now you're assuming that GT6 won't be released until after the PS4 is out?
You're assuming even more when you assume GT6 can't be released until the PS4 is either already released, or on the horizon. (Which we don't have much to go off for)

Well if you don't then there's no way you can be convinced is there? I'm just stating why I think the game will be on PS4 rather than PS3. In those 6 years PD put out 4 games for 3 different consoles though.

Not this again. 4? GT5P is included in GT5. So that's one game. GTPSP? Carried into GT5, so that's still one game, in 2 different formats now. Oh, TT! But that's just some new bikes and track(s?) added to essentially GT4.
But when people want to paint a picture, they tend to count these as though they're all completely independent of each other, which they're clearly not.

You said it yourself, a lack of software support, and a major lack of good software support as well.

That's not nearly the same as your statement "I think sony have realized just how bad not having a GT game for the launch of the PS3 screwed them over."
So change that to "I think Sony have realized rushing a system out the door before it's properly ready is a bad idea" and now it's got nothing to do with GT at all. Because your perceived lack of success of the PS3 has much, much more to do with other things then GT, or the lack of a GT title.
I bought 2 PS3's, the second one was still purchased 2 years before GT5's release.
GT5's delay certainly can or will hurt initial PS4 sales though. Because people like me no longer have any faith in PD to release anything new on new hardware within less then half a decade. No point buying a PS4 for GT6 way before it comes out, is there?

Release date for GT5 is a good example, I shouldn't need to source that at all given how well known it is. As for developers needing to be programming for a console for 4-6 years before they can release a game for it, I disagree with that personally

Wuuuut?
Read this again.

But yeah, if you believe PD has known the format and been programming for PS4 the past few years already, etc, then anything's possible.

Did I say they "need" 4-6 years? Nope.

You should have realized, (and you do) that PD has been working on GT6 for quite some time, according to several sources in this thread.

But since I have no evidence of PD having this enormous head start, to have been programming for a system 4-6 years before it's release ( ) I can't really buy into it.

Since the information required to start really developing a game for a new system was most likely not available back when they "started working on GT6", I've no reason to assume that's what they've been doing.


But of course, what PD has taught me the past 7 years is that they could take forever, and it might be a 2015 release on the PS4, who knows.

But if we actually credit anything we've been told about it, we should expect GT6 no later then fall/winter of 2013.

I have no evidence to show PS4 will be released before 2014. I have no evidence or faith that PD can ever make a release title, especially in this day and age, where they're falling behind, or being caught, depending how you view it.
So if it's going to be less time then GT5 took by any significant amount as has been suggested, then it can't be a PS4 title.

 

[GTShadowKing]

You write really a lot mate

Agreed 👍

 

[shurnster]

It does feel like GT5 on the ps3 are going beyond it's hardware limits. Knowing that fps drops doesn't effect the game, but it does drops. I wonder did GT5 take this feature off for the same reason:

Cars going off of tracks, messes up dirt and showing road marks.

If GT6 releases on the ps3, if it doesn't have this feature, I will start to feel like they put all of that good work and realism to waste because of the hardware's limitations. Even knowing that PD claim GT6's development before the release of GT5, how do we know if Sony and Kaz discussed the plans for the next hardware expectations (knowing what kind of specs the PS4 will be) as a closed secret? This could be possible since PD are one of the biggest franchise for Sony.

After all, it's good speculation.

 

[daus26]

I think those are just details, not necessarily some kind of dynamic deformation of the track.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that GT6 for the PS4, will be better. That's something we all can agree to. We can all also agree that there isn't much more (if at all) that can be done in terms of technical improvements. It just goes down to the simple fact that GT6 for the PS3 will be good enough for us as you say, and that it won't force many of us of having to rush and buy a PS4 close to its launch, just to play it. You'd think that buying a new console isn't that big of a big deal, but from my experience with friends and family, it kinda is.

As you say, they can probably develop the game quicker on the PS4. Why not enjoy GT6 on the PS3, while they make GT7 for the PS4? If we can enjoy GT5 for two years, we can probably enjoy GT6 for two years too, and in that time they can develop a GT7, or at least a GT7. What you want is to experience a next gen GT game as soon as possible, and there's nothing wrong with that. In my personal opinion though, I think there is more "win" for everyone if GT6 was for the PS3 (Casual>Hardcore). By that I mean, almost everyone will get to enjoy a new GT game at nearly the same time, compared to if the game is to be released alongside a new console. There will possibly won't be as much people online either. Just my thoughts.

Other than that, I'm gonna have to agree that GT6 will at least launch in 2013. The launch of the PS4 can't and shouldn't fully determine when GT6 will be released.

 

[Tenacious D]

What shurnster posted is quite poignant. Will those ruts mean that GT6 is a lesser game because they aren't there, if they aren't? No. But would it be much cooler if the game can have tracksides which suffer from us driving over them and rutting them, messing up the sand traps and other things? Or non-tarmac Rally courses? Or rebounding tire barriers?

This isn't a trick question, of course it would. And this would, again, be another bunch of work for the PS3 to have to handle, which a PS4 might be able to handle with a yawn. And I would really like to see this in GT6. And a lot more, obviously. I want GT6 to be loaded up like a Chinese buffet with features and goodies, to be a real door-blower-offer.

Sorry guys, I just can't see GT6 looking like an early build of a PS4 game loaded with features, without the hiccups and slowdown you see in Devil May Cry 3. Because if that was possible, why didn't we get that already in GT5, after five years of work, interruptions aside?

I honestly can't see anything incredible appearing in GT6 like I want if it's on PS3. The Livery Editor will be much simpler, perhaps templates, assuming we even get one. How much better can the Course Maker be? Weather and time of day transitions probably won't be any better. Particle effects can possibly be a little better, shadows might be a little better, physics and A.I. could be a little better, though I doubt it. It depends on how the team figures out how to juggle the load on the system better, because just doing those few things to fix the graphics will require some horsepower overhead, and if the bandwidth of the Cell architecture is almost tapped out, there will be problems.

There's no free lunch, guys.

 

[CSLACR]

What shurnster posted is quite poignant. Will those ruts mean that GT6 is a lesser game because they aren't there, if they aren't? No. But would it be much cooler if the game can have tracksides which suffer from us driving over them and rutting them, messing up the sand traps and other things? Or non-tarmac Rally courses? Or rebounding tire barriers?

This isn't a trick question, of course it would. And this would, again, be another bunch of work for the PS3 to have to handle, which a PS4 might be able to handle with a yawn. And I would really like to see this in GT6. And a lot more, obviously. I want GT6 to be loaded up like a Chinese buffet with features and goodies, to be a real door-blower-offer.

Sorry guys, I just can't see GT6 looking like an early build of a PS4 game loaded with features, without the hiccups and slowdown you see in Devil May Cry 3. Because if that was possible, why didn't we get that already in GT5, after five years of work, interruptions aside?

I honestly can't see anything incredible appearing in GT6 like I want if it's on PS3. The Livery Editor will be much simpler, perhaps templates, assuming we even get one. How much better can the Course Maker be? Weather and time of day transitions probably won't be any better. Particle effects can possibly be a little better, shadows might be a little better, physics and A.I. could be a little better, though I doubt it. It depends on how the team figures out how to juggle the load on the system better, because just doing those few things to fix the graphics will require some horsepower overhead, and if the bandwidth of the Cell architecture is almost tapped out, there will be problems.

There's no free lunch, guys.

Assuming everything you say about the PS3 being tapped out is true, I'd rather have, as you called it "An updated GT5" for GT6 on PS3.

I don't know how much the PS4 will cost, I don't know how many people will have one how soon, etc.
It's not that I have a direct problem with GT6 on PS4 (obvious realistic extra wait time aside) but why not GT6 on PS3, followed by GT7 or GT7P on PS4?
If they can release anything worthy of the name "GT6" on PS3, I'd rather have that to hold me over for GT7.

It blows my mind anyone would rather have less options to end up with the same overall content in the first PS4 GT game. (probably more if they go my way though)
It's akin to asking for standards removed from GT5. Nothing else, just remove the standards.

Surely making GT6 for PS3 won't really delay GT7 on PS4, would it? Everything they've done for GT5, and this GT6, if it were, could be carried into the GT7 on PS4 anyway.
I fail to understand how we "lose" anything in that scenario.

But by your words, you'd think if we get GT6 on PS3 it will somehow change something down the line, as to what I've no clue.

Hypothetical scenarios, imo.
GT6 on PS3 scenario I find most likely:
2012-2013 - GT6 on PS3
2014-2015 - GT7 on PS4

GT6 on PS4 scenario I find most likely:
2012-2013 - Nothing
2014-2015 - GT7 on PS4

How is the second one preferable, to anyone?
Or is there a different scenario you thought of that I'm unaware of?

I think those are just details, not necessarily some kind of dynamic deformation of the track.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that GT6 for the PS4, will be better. That's something we all can agree to. We can all also agree that there isn't much more (if at all) that can be done in terms of technical improvements. It just goes down to the simple fact that GT6 for the PS3 will be good enough for us as you say, and that it won't force many of us of having to rush and buy a PS4 close to its launch, just to play it. You'd think that buying a new console isn't that big of a big deal, but from my experience with friends and family, it kinda is.

As you say, they can probably develop the game quicker on the PS4. Why not enjoy GT6 on the PS3, while they make GT7 for the PS4? If we can enjoy GT5 for two years, we can probably enjoy GT6 for two years too, and in that time they can develop a GT7, or at least a GT7. What you want is to experience a next gen GT game as soon as possible, and there's nothing wrong with that. In my personal opinion though, I think there is more "win" for everyone if GT6 was for the PS3 (Casual>Hardcore). By that I mean, almost everyone will get to enjoy a new GT game at nearly the same time, compared to if the game is to be released alongside a new console. There will possibly won't be as much people online either. Just my thoughts.

Other than that, I'm gonna have to agree that GT6 will at least launch in 2013. The launch of the PS4 can't and shouldn't fully determine when GT6 will be released.

Well put.

 

[xSNAKEx]

Assuming everything you say about the PS3 being tapped out is true, I'd rather have, as you called it "An updated GT5" for GT6 on PS3.

I don't know how much the PS4 will cost, I don't know how many people will have one how soon, etc.
It's not that I have a direct problem with GT6 on PS4 (obvious realistic extra wait time aside) but why not GT6 on PS3, followed by GT7 or GT7P on PS4?
If they can release anything worthy of the name "GT6" on PS3, I'd rather have that to hold me over for GT7.

It blows my mind anyone would rather have less options to end up with the same overall content in the first PS4 GT game. (probably more if they go my way though)
It's akin to asking for standards removed from GT5. Nothing else, just remove the standards.

Surely making GT6 for PS3 won't really delay GT7 on PS4, would it? Everything they've done for GT5, and this GT6, if it were, could be carried into the GT7 on PS4 anyway.
I fail to understand how we "lose" anything in that scenario.

But by your words, you'd think if we get GT6 on PS3 it will somehow change something down the line, as to what I've no clue.

Hypothetical scenarios, imo.
GT6 on PS3 scenario I find most likely:
2012-2013 - GT6 on PS3
2014-2015 - GT7 on PS4

GT6 on PS4 scenario I find most likely:
2012-2013 - Nothing
2014-2015 - GT7 on PS4

How is the second one preferable, to anyone?
Or is there a different scenario you thought of that I'm unaware of?


Well put.

dude whats the point of releasing gt6 on ps3 just to have another next gen gt7 come along right after it? They may as well just update gt5 into whatever gt6 will be. I'd rather have all the updates come to GT5 instead of paying for another GT game and starting again And then buying a new console and another game.
Besides it seems ps3 is huffing and puffing with each update. The game runs and looks like a pig more and more.
My guess is they are already working on Gt6 for the ps4 and gt5 will be kept alive through updates and dlc

 

[Tornado]

Dude what's the point of asking a bunch of questions about someone's ideas in a thread if you've only read one post in it?

 

[Tireseas]

Personally, I'd rather they shoot for the PS4 and take the opportunity to lose all the cruft the series has accumulated over the years. Release a lean, tightly focused game like GT1 or GT3 that goes back to core principles, a best in class physics model, and a highly polished online experience and I'll be happy regardless of when it actually sees daylight.

Unfortunately, the sad fact is the more time they're allowed to play around with the development, the more likely we'll end up with another muddied mess like GT5

 

[GT Pro]

Why? He evidentially hasn't even worked on a Test Track for GT5, and that is far more important than another disappointing GT game. 👎

 

[CSLACR]

dude whats the point of releasing gt6 on ps3 just to have another next gen gt7 come along right after it? They may as well just update gt5 into whatever gt6 will be. I'd rather have all the updates come to GT5 instead of paying for another GT game and starting again And then buying a new console and another game.
Besides it seems ps3 is huffing and puffing with each update. The game runs and looks like a pig more and more.
My guess is they are already working on Gt6 for the ps4 and gt5 will be kept alive through updates and dlc

Maybe patching through updates isn't the best way to maximize a system's potential.💡

And no, this post hasn't suddenly taught me the value of waiting. I'd rather pay $60 every 2 years for a new game with some new neat stuff added to it, then skip half the games and go for a "big one" every 4 years.

One look at GT5 in it's original form scars me for life on "waiting for uber-games". 6 years and it sucked when it was released.
I'd rather not build the perfectly reasonable expectations that build over more then half a decade while a company slowly creates mediocrity.

Yes, mediocrity. GT5 was far and away the worst GT game ever for it's time, at the time of it's release. Even through patches a year later, I still don't know that it's moved up the ladder, just finally gotten within reach of it.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I think it is more likely that they'll update GT5 for a long time to come, and release GT6 on the PS4. I see GT5 now as a testing bed for GT6 to make sure everything runs smoothly and not delayed twice like GT5, and then have to release a ton of patches before ever getting to the DLC. I think Sony and PD would rather be releasing DLC after game debut then a patch to unlock your transmission and use it in full. Also I agree with CSL to an extent here, I doubt GT6 will take 2 years and will probably be more.

And since I'm quite sure that the PS4 will be here 2013 for sure just due to chronological order of how they've (Sony) released systems in six year increments. To run a title like GT6 on an older system rather than the new seems to place Sony at a disadvantage, because people will purposely go out and obtain a PS4 if it means playing GT. However, I see why some would see GT6 on PS3 cause each sony systems has had a GT game in pairs. PS1 had GT1 and 2, PS2 had GT3 and 4, so why not PS3 with GT5 and 6. The reason I say no is, unlike the other games PD has release GT5 took the longest to make and was done so well into the life span of the PS3.

 

[DawidM]

In my humble opinion, GT6 comes out on PS3 yet. Just a few facts to associate. PS4 will come out no sooner than in the 2013/2014 year. The premiere will be one year after the successor of X360 and this has come out either late 2012 or in 2013. Another thing is this quote:

"Of course we're already working on GT6 and I think what really will be the Separating factor is something That we can not update through the DLC is something That obviously has to be saved for GT6. Things That Can Provide the DLC through the Will, so that's really the market difference. "

Clearly, you can draw from it the theory that there are a few things that patches or DLC is impossible to settle, and they must be placed on the disc. In turn, once said that the GT6 KAZ does not take as much work as GT5, as most things in the game code has already been done, now you only need to focus on expanding their, optimization, the addition of more premium cars and tracks, and perhaps a few new things. In addition, PD always did so that did not use more than 80% of the power in their first series, leaving the door open even when taking a next edition, so it was in the days of PSX and PS2 at the time, so I do not think that they have changed their point of view, the time now PS3. Also, I think that the production of the game does not take more than 2 years. So it would have coincided with the end of that generation still get the PS3 is actually a powerful GT that will make the GT4. Unless you do something like with GT5 and iRacing will add to play only the DLC, and this is what he said KAZ previously referred to the future, if in turn it is, it GT6 certainly did not come out earlier than 2015, because no GT faced the start of a new generation of consoles. Although there seems to me that this will happen, although it is obvious that if the GT6 come out yet on the PS3 is another GT for PS4 may be the last GT for which he took to KAZ, then I think that will go into retirement.

Ps. Besides, there is still a few titles that might show what the PS3 and still afford Cell processor.