Lap 1 incident at Hockenheim

[kristof]

My point was that Schumacher should have let Trulli back past or been punished by the FIA for what is essentially an illegal overtaking manouver.

 

[Bollocks#999]

He copped a punctured tyre in any case, so the pass was negated

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by kristof
My point was that Schumacher should have let Trulli back past or been punished by the FIA for what is essentially an illegal overtaking manouver.

I think you're perhaps misinterpreting the rules there kristof. The rules say that if you circumvent a slower part of the track, and in doing so either gain a place or manage not to lose a place, then you will be penalised. Many drivers have opted to voluntarily cede the position in order to avoid the penalty, which is the right thing to do.

Schumacher's passing of Trulli doesn't come anywhere near to that rule. I think that in a track survey prior to the race, Michael reasoned that there would be grip there if he needed it, which, when Trulli put him off the track, he did. This is good research, and should be praised. The fact that Coulthard did exactly the same thing a lap later just goes to show that it was OK.

What Schumacher did to Alonso at Silverstone was not acceptable, however, and I wonder if you're muddling up red-car/blue-car incidents.

 

[kristof]

The point is that he shouldn't have used that peice of tarmac to gain extra grip as it is not a part of the actual race track, if it was there wouldn't be a curb there.
I'm not muddling events, schumacher forcing alonso on too the grass at high speed is different to him being forced wide at a 2nd gear hairpin only for him to use the tarmac run off area to gain a place.
Coulthard did indeed do the same thing later but he didn't gain a place and that is the difference.

 

[Roo]

First crash: racing incident. Ralf moved across Rubens to prevent him overtaking the Williams around the outside. He didn't know Kimi was there. If Kimi hadn't been there, Rubens could have moved and there wouldn't have been a crash. Ralf was almost ahead of the Ferrari and could have completed the move if Rubens could have moved across the track a bit more. Unfortunatly, he couldn't.
Also, when Kimi went round the outside, he saw a gap he could use to get round the Ferrari, who was directly ahead of him on the grid. So if it was Kimi overtaking Rubens without Ralf being there, fine. If it was Ralf overtaking Rubens without Kimi being there, fine. But it was Ralf and Kimi overtaking Rubens at the same time, and only Barichello knew both cars were alongside. Ralf didn't know Kimi was there, and vice versa, so no blame should be attached to anyone.

Even if Ralf is dropped 10 places, he could still pick up points (even at Hungray), as Jenson Button as been proving recently. He would start somewhere like 12th or 13th. More points for Williams, even if it doesn't to his Driver's Championship any good.

Hope that all makes sense, because I'm rubbish at essays.

 

[Mr Devil]

It makes tons of sens... probably tha best explanation till today

 

[Mike Rotch]

Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
I think you're perhaps misinterpreting the rules there kristof. The rules say that if you circumvent a slower part of the track, and in doing so either gain a place or manage not to lose a place, then you will be penalised. Many drivers have opted to voluntarily cede the position in order to avoid the penalty, which is the right thing to do.

Schumacher's passing of Trulli doesn't come anywhere near to that rule. I think that in a track survey prior to the race, Michael reasoned that there would be grip there if he needed it, which, when Trulli put him off the track, he did. This is good research, and should be praised. The fact that Coulthard did exactly the same thing a lap later just goes to show that it was OK.

What Schumacher did to Alonso at Silverstone was not acceptable, however, and I wonder if you're muddling up red-car/blue-car incidents.

Alonso is no angel himself. He brake tested coulthard at nurburg and almost took of michaels wing doing the same on the last corner.

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by Mike Rotch
Alonso is no angel himself. He brake tested coulthard at nurburg and almost took of michaels wing doing the same on the last corner.

Well, I'd debate the brake test, but given his activities at Brazil, I won't argue your overall point.