League of Mature Rookie Racers -CST

[scuudz]

I guess I could have read the OP for this but it looks like we are doing 4 races for the championship. This must mean 8 tracks?

Rounds, series, championship.....I'm totally confused.

Is each day of racing considered one round? If so, that would mean each round comprises of 8 races in total on 2 tracks (4 races on each track).

This, in turn, would mean 2 rounds are done and there are two more to go. So, the season 'finale' would be on Monday of next week.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[agentorunge]

Akira, for future reference, its great that you've given us a schedule of what the next tracks are, but could you also provide how many laps would be run. I would just like to have an idea of how many laps to prepare for. Thanks!

Great practice last night also. Scuudz, slammed, 2cute2shoot, piler, and racecar73, maybe another if I've forgetton (sorry), were running some practice laps on rome, then we raced a few. Nice wide open track with 2 tight sections. Hopefully there isn't too much congestion at those points like the chaos on tsukuba. hahaha.

 

[grumblecat]

Good old Rome, I know from all the A-Spec and License stuff that the first right hander is dangerous just because your trying to slowdown right after that left hand corner and I've probably gone out of control there more times than I can count in faster cars.

I do like parts of it though trying to get the right speed on the right hand corner after the back straight is what makes a good lap for me.

 

[akira2501]

A round is a series of 4 races, one in each class, so on each race day we do 2 rounds.
The Championship is two-part; an overall points leader and a per class leader. I haven't determined how long the total championship should be and how long the total points should add up fo; its going to be either:

a. When we get tired of the current classes.
b. When someone starts running away with the top three positions on the scoreboard. (uncatchable)

BTW: Agent – all normal races are 3 laps except for the one short track last week.

 

[g4geisha]

I was hoping I would have soemthing to do with my fireblades but I don't care I'm easy.

I agree racing fireblades would be fun, just making the point that the class will be a one make race and may get old after a few runs. Ju

I have enjoyed the classes that are more varied rather than the Impreza class for example.
To that end I would put a 1000kg min. on the 308HP tuner class to keep it from becoming a Lotus class.
Again my 2 cents, if people would rather run one make events I'm perfectly happy to do so. Just glad to be racing.

 

[Slammedc]

I like the idea of 16 Fireblades cruising around battling each other, we can do a mini series of three or four races just with Fireblades and crown a champion and then put 'em back in the garage. I also find it funny that we have a couple classes where most of the cars are the same such as the R8 class and Impreza class. That is the exact reason I choose the cars I am currently running. I don't want to see to many of the same car in one series, 2 or 3 are ok, but more than that is a little excessive. It's all personal choice of course and I am having a blast no matter what. Keep up the fun.

 

[scuudz]

OK I'm going out on a limb here, so feel free to tell me that I'm nuts, but I think this might be really fun.

Team Racing:

1. We will collectively have to come up with 8 manufacturers that we think can compete with one another within certain hp and weight restrictions (off the top of my head.....Ferrari, Lambos, Audi, Mercedes, Ford, Nissan, Chevy, Lexus etc.)

2. The top 8 'Overall' drivers this season get to pick their team-mate for this event/series, with #8 picking their team mate first, #7 second and so on.

3. Once the teams are settled, a draw will be made by someone (probably Akira ) for which team gets which manufacturer.

4. Each team will have to choose a model of car from the manfacturer they are given. Both team members will have to use the same model/colour of their car.

5. There will then be a drivers championship and a constructors championship.

No team orders allowed ;-)

Just gauging interest via this post. If enough people think it would be a good idea then we can work out further details. :-)

 

[akira2501]

Ya I'm NOT a big fan of the “Impreza Class”, I'm seriously considering dropping Class C. I thought that the R8s may turn out to be just as dominant, but that doesn't seem to be the case yet. It was my intention to specificly avoid single make dominance , but with the slim pickings in class C, it happened anyway. Personally I'm avoiding the Impreza and driving anything but – then again I'm loosing!

Single make races are cool (not to be confused with open-entry that becomes single make), and I will participate in this.
If we do this it will be a one-and-done race with no HP or weight tuning permitted. Other tuning OK.


Scuudz I love the idea man!
I was just watching the Daytona 24hr the other day an thinking the same thing.

Real races have multiple racers driving for a manufacturer- based team for the glory of the brand plus the individual glory of the racers. I plus like having a racing team or partner – it adds some tactics.

Having the lesser drivers pick first will make races more competitive.

I'm thinking that perhaps this should be a mini-endurance race. 1 race per night, 20 laps or so.

 

[an1mal_69]

Any room for another bod.?

 

[scuudz]

Im not sure if there is animal, but Akira would be the one to answer that. It says entry closed in the OP now, but I dont think we have ever had a 16 car grid.

Noticed that you are in the UK. Unless you are a night owl, our timings might not suit you. We usually race from 3am-4.30am UK time.

 

[Msand]

OK I'm going out on a limb here, so feel free to tell me that I'm nuts, but I think this might be really fun.

Team Racing:

1. We will collectively have to come up with 8 manufacturers that we think can compete with one another within certain hp and weight restrictions (off the top of my head.....Ferrari, Lambos, Audi, Mercedes, Ford, Nissan, Chevy, Lexus etc.)

2. The top 8 'Overall' drivers this season get to pick their team-mate for this event/series, with #8 picking their team mate first, #7 second and so on.

3. Once the teams are settled, a draw will be made by someone (probably Akira ) for which team gets which manufacturer.

4. Each team will have to choose a model of car from the manfacturer they are given. Both team members will have to use the same model/colour of their car.

5. There will then be a drivers championship and a constructors championship.

No team orders allowed ;-)

Just gauging interest via this post. If enough people think it would be a good idea then we can work out further details. :-)

I love this idea

 

[racercar73]

^^^^Hey points leader, pick me, pick me^^^

 

[agentorunge]

Love the idea of the team racing but I would hate to get stuck with a manufacturer I don't like, hahaha, but I'm totally open to that.

 

[scuudz]

^^^^Hey points leader, pick me, pick me^^^

You mean, "Hey #8 driver, pick me, pick me"

I put forth the idea of having a draw of manufacturers on purpose, so that it was random, and not having the #8 driver or #1 driver pick their manufacturer first. I think a 'draft of drivers', followed by a draw for manufacturers would make it a lot more exciting!

 

[racercar73]

Just jokin scuudz. As I have stated before, don't care if I win. Just having a GREAT time racing with you guys.

 

[scuudz]

Haha oh I know....I was just trying to point out indirectly that the #8 driver would pick first.

 

[agentorunge]

Haha oh I know....I was just trying to point out indirectly that the #8 driver would pick first.

Tonight's the last round of racing for this series? We finish at 4 rounds I beleive? That means I need to throw the races tonight just enough to finish 8th, hahaha.

 

[scuudz]

LOL you beat me to it......Im in 9th....I think you are on to my devious plan!

 

[Msand]

You mean, "Hey #8 driver, pick me, pick me"

I put forth the idea of having a draw of manufacturers on purpose, so that it was random, and not having the #8 driver or #1 driver pick their manufacturer first. I think a 'draft of drivers', followed by a draw for manufacturers would make it a lot more exciting!

I don't know how drafts work. Never really paid attention to them. I would think a drawing for Manufacture/teams is the best way to go.

 

[an1mal_69]

Im not sure if there is animal, but Akira would be the one to answer that. It says entry closed in the OP now, but I dont think we have ever had a 16 car grid.

Noticed that you are in the UK. Unless you are a night owl, our timings might not suit you. We usually race from 3am-4.30am UK time.

Yea sorry dude, my bad..mis-read the time as CET. doh

 

[scuudz]

I just applied the term 'draft' to it, but its nothing elaborate. Its basically going to be the #8 driver coming on here and posting, "I pick XYZ as my team-mate." Thats it.

Drawing for teams would be fair, but there is a good chance that it could kill the competition early. For example, if the #1 driver gets paired with the #2 or #3 or #4 driver, it might allow them to run away with the series, and I figure we want to keep this as close as possible, which is why we have reverse order on grid on all our races too. Same philosophy.

These are just suggestions though. As always, majority wins.

 

[agentorunge]

Or we could possibly have teams of 4. That way if some racers cant make some nights it wouldn't be too huge of a dent on the manufacturers race. I think it would also allow for less cars to be found that could achieve similar lap times. So it doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a hp/weight limit, but more so finding cars from numerous manufacturers that could achieve close to the same lap times on a given track.

 

[scuudz]

Or we could possibly have teams of 4. That way if some racers cant make some nights it wouldn't be too huge of a dent on the manufacturers race. I think it would also allow for less cars to be found that could achieve similar lap times. So it doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a hp/weight limit, but more so finding cars from numerous manufacturers that could achieve close to the same lap times on a given track.

That's a pretty good idea too. If there were teams of 4, I would be ok with either a draft or a draw for teams. It would probably also mean you would be more likely to always have a team mate to practice with

 

[g4geisha]

Couple of off topic notes. The ocd has the fireblade and a bunch of rally cars this week so I would suggest everyone pick up a fireblade if you haven't already won the prize car and a rally car so we can be ready for the new classes.
Back on topic I would like to see a team race but teams of two would be more practical. See everyone tonight. As usually i plan to be on early, wife and life permitting.

 

[g4geisha]

Sorry to double post but wanted to bring an issue for tonight out of the social group. Corner 5 on Deep Forest ( the left before the right into the tunnel, the one with the paved inner part) is allowed to be cut under both penalty settings. My limited testing showed about a half second advantage for taking this vs racing clean. While I agree with the intent of keeping this an informal league and not monitoring the races for cutting I wanted to bring this out and see what people thought about it. Options I see are:
1) Suggest everyone try and drive it clean without enforcement
2) State that cutting this corner will be considered clean.
3) Have someone monitor the races afterwards and enforce penalties to scoring.

I think this is my order of preference but please respond so we can all try and be on the same page.

 

[scuudz]

My order of preference would be exactly the same as yours.

 

[agentorunge]

I vote for cutting that corner and considering it clean. If both penalty types do not enforce it I don't believe we should. If everybody uses it, then there is zero advantage to anybody.

 

[akira2501]

G4, I believe that the paved area is:
a. Considered part of the track.
b. Isn't much of a shortcut since it makes the turn-in difficult.

I would ask the league that if you give 100% right-of-way to “on-track drivers” if you come in too hot and end up using the safety area you should wait for on-track drivers to clear the area before you move back. Its not so much the overflow area is it is the cut back in that's dangerous.

Crashes on this corner in conjunction with driving the out-of-track area may result in disqualification. I will not investigate any use of the paved area that DOES NOT involve acidents.

 

[akira2501]

I'm pretty sure this is RACE 3 tonight, there will be at least one more race before I mess with the classes and call a winner. The first “official” race results were scrapped when we changed the scoring system and got new members. Again a RACE is considered one NIGHT, not one track.

I'm still working on a new class system.
I may incorporate TEAM / MFG racing but I'm not sure - Need to:
a. Make sure there are enough regular racers
b. Make sure there are enough competitive MFG cars per class.
c. I need to think about the rules and scoring system a bit and how best to match up players in a team.

IMPORTANT: Next Monday may be the last race of the current class system.
It will be the full Nürburgring Ring - 24hr Format (4 Laps) That will be the only race of the night.

Thursday the 10th will be a test of the new classes. IF pole position, mfg selection is needed for round 2 these race results may be used.

Just a note: Round 2 will make use of racing tires in some or all classes.
Class A-D may be used again so don't scrap them!

Round 2 format will be longer races - but only 1 track.

 

[g4geisha]

Just to clarify, we will race each class around the ring, correct?