LeMONS to LeMANS Race Series -- Season Ended

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Hate to double post, but... when should we consider postponing this week's race? I was out of town this weekend, so it didn't really bother me that PSN and Qriocity were down. But they continue to be down and there is, as far as I know, no estimate of when they will return.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/category/psn/
 
I'm double posting as well. Though it will be only the 2nd race, I've not sorted my car yet and dont plan to begin trying parts combinations out till online is available.
 
I started doing laps in practice mode. Struggling to beat 1:27 and struggling to overcome the understeer in the Evo.
 
I started doing laps in practice mode. Struggling to beat 1:27 and struggling to overcome the understeer in the Evo.
First, make sure you've got the sport hard tires installed since that's what we will be using next race. Second, play with the Yaw control that comes standard on most EVOs. Increasing the value will give you more oversteer. By default it is set for understeer.

As for postponing the race. If PSN is not up by Tuesday at 6:00PM EDT, consider the race postponed until next week. It isn't fair to people that may need to dial in their cars with online physics if they don't have any time to tune. If we do manage to get PSN back online before Tuesday at 6:00 I can provide an additional 15 minutes of time in the lobby before the race for tuning to make up for the lost week. I suggest everyone at least use practice mode before then to choose parts and dial in basic settings.
 
Good thing I got my setup sorted out right after last weeks race lol. Now I'm just waiting to see where everyone else is at in terms of times.

The S15 has responded really well to the sport hard tires. It's a bit understeery though, which surprised me.
 
Thanks chuyler, I had no idea I could tune the ecu lol

Sleight, what times are you running?

I don't remember what I was running online off hand and I haven't used my PS3 in a few days. I'll do some laps in practice mode tonight and share those times, I have a feeling I'm faster in online mode since it induces some oversteer.
 
I just picked out some mods for my car. I started out running 1:27s and after adding parts I got it down to high 1:23s. This was in offline practice mode.

A few pointers I found after following my ghost around. I have the stock 5spd transmission so gears may not match up with everyone

Turn 1 is pretty straight forward. I brake hard just before the yellow retaining wall ad. I am full on the brakes through 5th down to 4th, down to 3rd. When I reach 3rd I start lifting off the brakes and use trail braking to turn in. Near the apex I drop to 2nd and accelerate and track out.

For turn 2 I hit the top of 3rd gear and I shift to 4th just to keep the RPMs from causing tire spin. I start wide, lift off and pull in tight and get back on the gas. Tap the brakes and trail them as you down shift back to 3rd for turn 3. Hit all your apexes through 4 and you'll reach the top of 4th gear.

For turns 5 and 6, exit speed is far more important than entry speed. Brake early, downshift to 3rd, and turn in while trail braking until you can see a straight line through turn 6. Then gas through turn 6 as if it were straight. If you get it right, you'll have to shift to 4th for just a moment before you approach turn 7.

Hard on the brakes for turn 7. Don't turn in too early because you can get on the gas sooner with a late apex.

Turn 8, I go full throttle to 4th gear. About midway through you will reach the limits of traction. Before this happens, ease off the throttle and get the car to the inside. Do not let the tires turn red because you will run to wide. Shoot for a very late apex. You don't want to reach the curbing until 80% through this turn.

Exiting turn 8 into turn 9 is full throttle. Put two wheels onto the left side of turn 9. Right after, tap the brakes to get the car to turn in for 10. Put two wheels on the right side of turn 10, goose the throttle a little for a little extra speed before the hairpin.

At turn 11 you can gain or lose up to 3 seconds. The turn is a squared-off hairpin and I will refer to the two inside corners as apex 1 and apex 2. If you hit 9 to 10 right you'll be on the right side of the track. Angle your car to go diagonally from the left side of the track to the right side as you approach 11. Brake in a straight line aiming for the far outside of the track. Do not attempt turn in with your foot on the brake, you'll just understeer and cook your tires. All your braking must be done in a straight line. When you get to about 30-35 mph you should be on the outside of the track just about to pass apex 1, turn in aiming for apex 1, but don't expect to actually touch it. Coast around as tightly as you can. Save your tires for the exit of the turn. As soon as you see apex 2 appear on the left of your screen, ease into the throttle and use 2 wheels into pit road if you have to as you track out.


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I just picked out some mods for my car. I started out running 1:27s and after adding parts I got it down to high 1:23s. This was in offline practice mode.

A few pointers I found after following my ghost around. I have the stock 5spd transmission so gears may not match up with everyone

Turn 1 is pretty straight forward. I brake hard just before the yellow retaining wall ad. I am full on the brakes through 5th down to 4th, down to 3rd. When I reach 3rd I start lifting off the brakes and use trail braking to turn in. Near the apex I drop to 2nd and accelerate and track out.

For turn 2 I hit the top of 3rd gear and I shift to 4th just to keep the RPMs from causing tire spin. I start wide, lift off and pull in tight and get back on the gas. Tap the brakes and trail them as you down shift back to 3rd for turn 3. Hit all your apexes through 4 and you'll reach the top of 4th gear.

For turns 5 and 6, exit speed is far more important than entry speed. Brake early, downshift to 3rd, and turn in while trail braking until you can see a straight line through turn 6. Then gas through turn 6 as if it were straight. If you get it right, you'll have to shift to 4th for just a moment before you approach turn 7.

Hard on the brakes for turn 7. Don't turn in too early because you can get on the gas sooner with a late apex.

Turn 8, I go full throttle to 4th gear. About midway through you will reach the limits of traction. Before this happens, ease off the throttle and get the car to the inside. Do not let the tires turn red because you will run to wide. Shoot for a very late apex. You don't want to reach the curbing until 80% through this turn.

Exiting turn 8 into turn 9 is full throttle. Put two wheels onto the left side of turn 9. Right after, tap the brakes to get the car to turn in for 10. Put two wheels on the right side of turn 10, goose the throttle a little for a little extra speed before the hairpin.

At turn 11 you can gain or lose up to 3 seconds. The turn is a squared-off hairpin and I will refer to the two inside corners as apex 1 and apex 2. If you hit 9 to 10 right you'll be on the right side of the track. Angle your car to go diagonally from the left side of the track to the right side as you approach 11. Brake in a straight line aiming for the far outside of the track. Do not attempt turn in with your foot on the brake, you'll just understeer and cook your tires. All your braking must be done in a straight line. When you get to about 30-35 mph you should be on the outside of the track just about to pass apex 1, turn in aiming for apex 1, but don't expect to actually touch it. Coast around as tightly as you can. Save your tires for the exit of the turn. As soon as you see apex 2 appear on the left of your screen, ease into the throttle and use 2 wheels into pit road if you have to as you track out.

Sorry to copyquote entire post, but this is precisely the reason I run with automatic transmission. I see apex, I go around apex and let the car deal with the gear. :dopey:

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i really doubt the psn will be up. they arent explaining much on the playstation website.

can you still use the car if it is set to be online? i havent even checked. ive been busy and with the psn out i havent even played gt5. im pretty sure mine was set to be online. ive seen that bspec drivers cannot be used if they are online.
 
Sorry to copyquote entire post, but this is precisely the reason I run with automatic transmission. I see apex, I go around apex and let the car deal with the gear. :dopey:
I can understand that. For a while I was using an auto tranny too. Then I forced myself to switch. It won't make you faster overnight, in fact you'll probably be slower until you figure things out. Once you are past the hurdle it will help with...

1) Launching. when your car spins the tires in 1st gear, shifting to 2nd can help. I got great launches on Muscle car night by shifting to 2nd gear almost immediately

2) Braking. The engine does provide a certain amount of braking power, when you down shift early. Downshift too early and you'll spin the drive wheels as you bounce off the rev limiter though.

3) Traction. When your drive wheels start spinning exiting a corner, sometimes the last thing you want to do is lift off the throttle. With a manual gearbox, you can shift to the next gear. You'll have less torque so the wheels will stop spinning and you'll be able to power out of the turn.

4) Power band. Depending on the mods you install, you may have some extra power you can use beyond the redline. Typically the gain is actually after you shift though. Running beyond redline will put you at a higher rpm in the next gear when you finally do shift. If you can stay out of the boggy rpm range you'll be better off in a straight line sprint. On some cars, muscle cars for example, you may benefit from shifting early. The car will accelerate faster at lower rpms so hanging around until redline is just a waste of time.

Overall, if you execute everything properly you can gain about 1 second per lap in most cars. For some cars, where you really need to alter shift points the benefits could be much greater.

can you still use the car if it is set to be online? i havent even checked. ive been busy and with the psn out i havent even played gt5. im pretty sure mine was set to be online. ive seen that bspec drivers cannot be used if they are online.
You cannot use it in A-spec or practice if it is online. You can use it when you are in online lobbies though...but that doesn't help you. I'm guessing any car set to online before PSN went down will be unavailable until it goes back online.
 
I've got my fingers crossed that it will be up (I heard a rumour that Japan was going up today and that NA and EU would be tomorrow) but I have a feeling that the source is full of ____.

Hopefully we get some racing in on Wednesday!

PS. I use automatic for the same reasons as Diabolic. For time trials I'll go to manual, but when I have to think about my line and the other cars on track then I tend to forget about shifting!
 
I'm really surprised that people use automatic. It just seems to make it so much harder to make the car do what I want it too.
 
This might sound like a stupid question, but where exactly is this YAW control on the Evo? I thought I may have removed it by installing something but I checked another stock Evo I have and it doesn't have it.

Edit: NVM, the RS version don't have it :(
 
A wing is only 500cr, maybe that will help? Also mess with brake balance.

Otherwise, just brake earlier and in a straight line. It will keep the tires from going red before turn in.
 
A wing is only 500cr, maybe that will help? Also mess with brake balance.

Otherwise, just brake earlier and in a straight line. It will keep the tires from going red before turn in.

I got the front aero for my car, it helped a little bit. The problem isn't under braking, it's mid corner understeer. It's got me kind of baffled to be honest. I'll have to put more work into my suspension setup tomorrow. I'm down on power also I think, ~300hp.

After driving this track more I've got a feeling AWD is going to dominate.
 
AWD isn't much help mid corner. It really just makes understeer worse. The only time AWD is going to dominate is when the FR cars have trouble putting the power to the pavement. If you said "I keep spinning the tires exiting the hairpins" then I'd say AWD would help.
 
I think with these tires the AWD is still helping throughout the corner. I also think the nature of how Evos handle in general make them faster than other cars on these tires, including the Imprezas, which tend to understeer on turn in. It'll balance out on the Sport Mediums I imagine.

Hope PSN is back up in time for the race!
 
I have not even changed into my Impreza since ending last race. Its too depressing that I cannot use online. I have built 10+ 450 PP cars and practice ran them however. :D
 
I got on the track last night. It is my first practice since last week's race. With my car at last week's trim level, I was running 1:32s on Comfort Softs. Mind you, I'm still getting used to the track.

But, there are so many sections of the track where I am at partial throttle or partial brake, that I don't think adding 38K in horsepower will help (couldn't find an AWD car with a front aero kit option). Again, I'm sure steering wheels are nice, but I'd just love some freakin' pedals. The L/R 2 buttons give very choppy response. I should be able to accelerate out of the first and last turns sooner, but it just goes so wrong if I try.

There are also a few corners where the car seems to over rotate. Turn 10 is particularly bad. It is like a whole different car from last week. I have to think that Practice Mode physics has more differences than just traction.
 
I was running 1:32s on Comfort Softs
Install the Sport Hard tires, that's what we are going to run. Each week the tires get better and it will make a big difference on this track.

There are definitely partial brake/throttle parts of this track. Wait for the apex on turn 1 and you'll be full throttle until you approach turn 2. turn 2 is no throttle or partial throttle until you have turn 3 in your sights. Hard brake for a slow entry to turn 3 will allow you to open the throttle exiting turn 3 and keep it open until turn 5. Hard brake for turn 5 then open throttle until turn 7. Wait for the apex of turn 7 and open the throttle until half-way through turn 8. As I said before, get off the throttle in turn 8 before you cook your tires. A slight lift off about half way around will get you to the bottom of the track and then you can run open throttle through turn 9. Tap the brakes entering 10 and coast around (my car drifts this turn too). Maybe a little throttle before turn 11, but brake early to save your tires for exit.

I know it doesn't seem like adding power will help...but it will give you the ability to run slower through the turns and make up the time on the straights. Wait for your apexes so you can drive straight out of the turns with the throttle open.

When I use the controller, I typically use the joysticks, one for steering one for throttle brake. I could never quite modulate the paddles consistently.

With the money you have to spend, you may want to consider adding the fully custom suspension. Then you can add some camber. weight reduction instead of power could help too, but removing too much weight will mess with the feel of the stock suspension.
 
When I drive with the controller I use X for throttle, square for brake, R1/L1 for shifting, and the d-pad for steering. I've tried every other way you can think of and I always end up going back to my button mashing.

I think I'm starting to get my car straightened out. It's taking some pretty extreme alignment values to get it to respond to changes though. I'm not spending too much time on it because there are a lot of unknowns between how it'll act online compared to practice mode.
 
When I drive with the controller I use X for throttle, square for brake, R1/L1 for shifting, and the d-pad for steering. I've tried every other way you can think of and I always end up going back to my button mashing.
God help you. :indiff:
 
God help you. :indiff:

I'm pretty fast driving like that actually. Usually within a few tenths of my wheel times. It's really like rapid tapping, you'd think I'm playing a fighting game. That's probably why it's natural to me actually. I can't be precise enough with the sticks and R2/L2.
 
I made it through about 5 license tests in GT4 using X/O before giving up and using the sticks. I couldn't modulate the throttle for sweeping turns...and I imagine that is the trouble you are having with this track.

I'm still right-foot braking with the DFGT so that's my handicap. My driving lines are very smooth as a result. I plan in time to switch pedals so I probably lose a 10th here and there with the transition...but it feels more like driving when I use the right foot to brake. The only issue I have is following twitchy early brakers. I can't transition as quickly so I typically dive to one side to avoid punting if I am caught off guard.
 
I'm currently playing using the D-pad and the buttons. I actually had no idea that the right analog stick could be used to brake until you mentioned it earlier.

I don't think I will bother trying to learn however as I am expecting my wheel to arrive shortly..

But you're right - controlling the throttle on Cape Ring South is difficult. I find I have to be very careful going around the wide high speed turn otherwise I end up mowing grass.
 
Well this explains quite a bit of what I was seeing while lapping cars at GVE-R. I was confused as to why you guys were all over the track and braking so damn early. Its clear now. Comfort tires + DS3 are not a good combo. I mean, you can't trail brake with the "O" button and that's how I gain all my time. Brake hard entering a turn then drop your brake pressure to 10-20%. It will keep the weight up front giving your front tires more grip for turn in. Without that light pressure, most cars will understeer in sweeping hairpins like the last turn of GVE-R and the first turn of CRS. Master the technique and your initial brake point will be deeper and deeper into the turn.
 
Definitely start left foot braking though, it'll make a noticeable difference in your times.

When I'm driving for fun or drifting I usually hook up my h-gate and use the clutch. Heel-toeing is so satisfying. I'm not sure how many people do this but I tend to left foot brake when I'm running with the clutch also. I shift my feet over when I need to downshift. That's mostly useful for rally though.
 
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