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[Ubu2001]

Edit : i was wrong and someone explained me why.
I'm sorry

 

[Haitauer]

The reason why i was so furious through out the last couple of laps was that i expected to see a notification popping up and saying "Incident between Igor and Mikail is going to be investigated"

Imagine this same incident and contact happening in real life.

Great to see you commenting here and congrats on great racing once again.

I think the main problem still is the judging - is it racing or is it gaming? I think stewards should draw a clear line on this and let you competitors know the line forehand. And to give the damn penalties during the race..

As in real life racing theres big cultural differences in how clean victory or a win by any means are respected. Us finnish have always been the model example of playing by the rules to the point of being silly..

 

[Johnny Dean]

I think after Fraga going to the right after T1 immediatly either slowing down too or just using fuel map 6 so i don't have any horsepower and can't get the run on me.

That would have been a quite amusing 'who can go the slowest' battle on the straight. (As everyone else passes)

 

[GlamFM]

Hello everyone,

After reading the comments here, i disagree with the blame on I.Fraga.

...

If that behavior is too bordeline, or dangerous, you get a penalty, as I.Fraga received.

You you agree with the penalty, but you disagree with "the blame"?

 

[Rizla]

First of all thank you guys and I appreciate all of your opinions. Great to see having a discussion here.

I will tell you my point of view a little bit.
When i was pitting in for my last stop i overfueled by 1 lap so that i could push a little bit more than in the first two stints as i was saving a lot of fuel (and way more than Fraga who was pushing). Once i caught up to him i obviously tried to overtake him as soon as possible so that i could still save fuel a little bit but not as much like when i did at the beginning of the race. I think you all saw the incidents and the Clip and i will let you guys decide on that.
After my 3rd failed overtake attempt where i got slightly pushed i had to save fuel as i was down by 0.2 lap. The reason why i was so furious through out the last couple of laps was that i expected to see a notification popping up and saying "Incident between Igor and Mikail is going to be investigated" as he was driving about 30-40kmh after eau rouge on purpose and me braking to avoid the contact on a high speed corner. Imagine this same incident and contact happening in real life.
Obviously when i was saving fuel afterwards i knew if there will ever be a penalty for Igor then maybe a 5 sec penalty but because of saving fuel that much i couldn't do it.

For me personally it was a shame that this race ended up like that and perhaps i shouldn't have been that direct on the post interview. I apologize for that but as for Salzburg i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thank you.

Bad luck on how things panned out mate, I felt gutted for you. Keep the chin up & the amazing clean driving. Only be a matter of time until you get on the top spot of that podium.

I'm also like people who aren't afraid to speak their mind when they feel wronged. 👍

 

[Mikail Hizal]

@TRL LIGHTNING thanks for the explanation and rundown.
It is tough and i'm glad you're still keeping up, you had great teammates in Manu and regardless you did well in Nations, just a shame in the end.

How was driving the EF7? Better than random N cars, i presume

Thank you mate. They changed the settings of the EF7 in that race in a positive way. Like it was way more drivable and racing was possible

 

[JayOTT]

If Latkovski got 10 seconds, Fraga should've gotten 10 seconds too. Deliberately breaking the rules is just as bad if not worse than accidentally causing a major collision.

 

[Haitauer]

If Latkovski got 10 seconds, Fraga should've gotten 10 seconds too. Deliberately breaking the rules is just as bad if not worse than accidentally causing a major collision.

I think Latkovskis move was beyond just "accidentally"..

 

[Neris__]

What do you guys think about this situation between Igor Fraga and Nico Rubilar?

 

[BaareCZ]

I don't think what Cody did was deliberate. I really think it was an honest mistake in my opinion. I think he just (greatly) misjudged the speed difference, he didn't want to take him out like that. What Fraga did was absolutely deliberate and equals to a brake-check at those speeds. He will forever be a dirty driver in my book. The fact that drivers do it in real life doesn't make it OK. And to Mik: What a shame, man. You deserved the win. Just keep cool and don't show emotions to your rivals. Especially when they're sitting right next to you. You'll get him next time.👍

 

[bnight]

For me personally it was a shame that this race ended up like that and perhaps i shouldn't have been that direct on the post interview. I apologize for that but as for Salzburg i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thank you.

I don't think you were furious for the lift off at Eau Rouge you were furious for the door closed at the left chicane at least that's what I saw from 10 000 km away literally. However You clearly was on another level in this event trough the whole weekend. You should be happy with that. I enjoyed watching you race even though I think what Fraga did was not deserving the 5 sec penalty as I have seen this in real life racing on the same track by some of the real great like Hamilton (not a huge fen of him IRL though).

But I can wait to see you win against Fraga in Monaco for example or just see the next race between you guys. Both of you did a brilliant race. You didn't win this time but you showed the world you are the best at this event.

 

[dimassa19]

Ok , i understand your point of view but we don't know about Mik gas level at this moment , he was able to follow the pace during a lap and a half till the end. It was still a strong pace.
And what about Mik attitude in lap 16 at 2:40.00 ? Absolutely no reasons to be upset this way. In my opinion , it's pressure + trauma from past FIA events .

On the penultimate lap, map 6 for Hizal. (at 2:45:42 on the Spanish broadcast). In the last thee laps Ordoñez emphasizes that Igor has much more fuel.
Even if Hizal had overtaken Igor (if he had passed flat on Eau Rouge) he would not win the race.

 

[KaiB]

Well my opinion have 0 value but nevertheless has a pure stander i play GT and love to watch races in RL also not only esport ones, for me was just pure skill and intelligence that Igor showed not only that but was a good lesson to Hizal..., don´t forget Igor is a RL professional driver, i don´t know if any here pratice any kind of personal defense fighting system or even ring fights like martial arts but the concept it´s the same, Igor just made the move to control Hizal next moves, in fights if you do a Jab theres 80% chance your oponent will do the same move, it´s a thing that it´s proven, doesn´t mean it will work in 100% of the cases but there´s a big % that will work.

So that move was pure genious to control the Hizal next move not only that but also to affect his feelings, don´t understand what wrong, if you whant to be a champion you have to use all weapons, you can´t expect to overtake a champion that easy mostly when your fighting for 1st in the podium.

This is my opinion, next time Hizal will have the chance and maybe be more humble and learn something from Igor, i really don´t know if the outcome could be diferent, Igor seemed to have better strategy overall he could keep the pace until he cross the line.
I´m not trying to say i agree with dirty moves but in this case was a bit of showoff also from Igor a race it´s a battlefield.

So i guess next time they face, Hizal only option it´s to not give a chance and play with all the cards and he must expect things like this it´s just part of the races it´s not a perfect world.

 

[symaski62]

To me it is not the best look to be critiquing someone else's driving after completely wiping out the potential World Tour winner in a moment of red mist.

red => mikail

not red => Fraga

 

[zzz_pt]

Also, can you imagine the driver shenanigans if they actually paid these guys?

Fraga is the only competitor paid by PD, the event organizer, in fact. So yeah, there's that.

No one overtakes outside on La source. Who is on the outside, there is only one alternative, which is through the scape area... It was a too optimistic move.

Again, watch how every other driver on the inside kept it clean. Are you that biased because Igor happened to be born in the same country as you did? Seriously.

Also @zzz_pt you wanted footage right?

Watch the tape of the title decider race of the 2016 f1 season between Hamilton and Rosberg in Abu Dhabi. On this case the reason was different (Hamilton was faster but wanted to make Rosberg to suffer with the guys behind) but the intention was the same: unsettle the car behind by being considerably slower.

Hamilton wasn't penalized. It was basically the same principle imo.

The only way I see this as a bad behavior is in the case of brake checking, which wasn't the case here.

Not even close to being the same. As others have pointed out and explained.

Hello everyone,

After reading the comments here, i disagree with the blame on I.Fraga. It's a deserved victory. It also highlights the fact that being the fastest or the cleanest driver is not a criteria to win a race, and that some people have trouble understanding this.

From what i see, M.Hizal drives like he's in qualifying session during races. Whereas I.Fraga drives like a racer. Maybe that's why he is in real life and why he won two cups in a row.

Racing other people is like playing poker in a way; you have your theoretical weapons before the start (qualifying time, fuel/tyre strategy) and then you deal with the reality of the race and most of all, you deal with the other drivers in your way.

And the most powerfull weapon in a race is to outsmart or to trick your opponent. To surprise him. It's not a 20 laps exhibition. You're not displaying your perfect qualifying time, perfect cornering and pace every lap, expecting for others drivers to let you pass or open the door because, you know, you're the best.

What I.Fraga did on the 16th lap was a brilliant move. M.Hizal should have analysed this and told himself that I.Fraga will be defending and trying something on lap 17th on the exact same place.

It was so obvious I.Fraga will try something. And when you're racing, this is your top priority : to read and anticipate others behavior and psychology.

If that behavior is too bordeline, or dangerous, you get a penalty, as I.Fraga received.

Maybe M.Hizal didn't expect I.Fraga to play the racing game; he was just outsmarted. And after that he showed (at least to me) that he's lacking some kind of racing psychology.

M.Hizal is a very talented driver, but far from being a racer in my opinion. His brain boiled after lap 17 and he couldn't cope with it, maybe he gave up after it, and then certainly ruined the event with his comments.

You went through the trouble of creating an account to write this? Points for effort. Another unbiased brazillian, maybe?

But if you think Hizal isn't a racer, go watch his race in the Subaru on Saturday. It wasn't that long ago.

2017 Belgian Grand Prix | Race Highlights

Is it that hard to google ? Hamilton did two lift off's to Vetel on in this race in the restart in fact Vetel did catch him on the top of Eau Rouge same way as Hazal catched Fraga no penalty for Hamilton. The second time was behind a safety car in Baku where Hamilton break tested Vetel (still no penalty) and then Vetel intentionatly crashed into Hamilton behind the safety car (5 seconds penalty for Vetel). So if same Spa Stuards were watching the Fraga move I doubt there will be even a penalty for this one. I understand you don't like Igor from all your posts but please be objective here.

Baku, irrelevant.

Belgium, not the same at all. Fraga lifts for several seconds straight while the driver behind is in an unrealistic slipstream effect, which works like braking (as pointed out by @OutlawQuadrnt ).

The slipstream isn't close to being real and also, Vettel had a slightly slower car than Hamilton. Not the same as spec cars in a game with ridiculous strong slipstream.

If you'd find footage of Hamilton lifting in a DRS zone where there's only 1 racing line, I'd consider it a more accurate comparison. But you won't find it because any driver doing that would risk not only his race, but his license and his physical well being.

 

[Haitauer]

What do you guys think about this situation between Igor Fraga and Nico Rubilar?

Actually i was surpriced Fraga didnt get penalty for that. He clearly failed to leave room for Rubilar. Im leaning towards "biased" judges.

 

[Mikail Hizal]

I don't think you were furious for the lift off at Eau Rouge you were furious for the door closed at the left chicane at least that's what I saw from 10 000 km away literally. However You clearly was on another level in this event trough the whole weekend. You should be happy with that. I enjoyed watching you race even though I think what Fraga did was not deserving the 5 sec penalty as I have seen this in real life racing on the same track by some of the real great like Hamilton (not a huge fen of him IRL though).

But I can wait to see you win against Fraga in Monaco for example or just see the next race between you guys. Both of you did a brilliant race. You didn't win this time but you showed the world you are the best at this event.

I was mainly furious on his blocking through eau rouge. As for his last one where he defended very hard I was mad obviously but u think that was a hard and okay defend.

 

[bnight]

Baku, irrelevant.

Belgium, not the same at all. Fraga lifts for several seconds straight while the driver behind is in an unrealistic slipstream effect, which works like braking (as pointed out by @OutlawQuadrnt ).

The slipstream isn't close to being real and also, Vettel had a slightly slower car than Hamilton. Not the same as spec cars in a game with ridiculous strong slipstream.

If you'd find footage of Hamilton lifting in a DRS zone where there's only 1 racing line, I'd consider it a more accurate comparison. But you won't find it because any driver doing that would risk not only his race, but his license and his physical well being.

Wow just wow. So both cases where someone lift off are irrelevant ? Even though one is from the same track same turn even starting in the same place as both Fraga and Hamilton lifted off before the turn and on the end of the straight. I guess we as well as FIA will need to agree to disagree on what is a penalty and what is not. To be fair also Fraga is paid by PD just because he won last year. Hazal was there so was more of the other drivers and also Fraga was 10th in the final race but he still won by points with one of the most amazing drives I have ever seen. Also Fraga is payed by McLaren as well as he is the Shadow Racer for 2018. He will probably in F1 someday and I can't help but wonder will he be the next Senna.

I was mainly furious on his blocking through eau rouge. As for his last one where he defended very hard I was mad obviously but u think that was a hard and okay defend.

I can feel your pain obviously is a dirty move did you watched Hamilton vs Vetel in Belgium 2017 ? Do you think this was a fair move as well ? I'm not on your level in driving and I don't think anyone was on your level this weekend. And you should be furious but take a few days off and then look in the footage probably watch some other races for example highly recommend you to watch the British GT round on Spa this year there was 3 wide GT3 cars trough Eau Rouge a move that was insane. Just try to come even stronger for Salzburg as I want to see you win this one.

 

[watto79]

I can respect different opinions on what happens in a race. I cannot respect comments regarding perceived dirty driving being linked to that person's nationality. Anyone making such comments needs to seriously grow up.

 

[kjeldsen]

Hello everyone,

After reading the comments here, i disagree with the blame on I.Fraga. It's a deserved victory. It also highlights the fact that being the fastest or the cleanest driver is not a criteria to win a race, and that some people have trouble understanding this.

From what i see, M.Hizal drives like he's in qualifying session during races. Whereas I.Fraga drives like a racer. Maybe that's why he is in real life and why he won two cups in a row.

Racing other people is like playing poker in a way; you have your theoretical weapons before the start (qualifying time, fuel/tyre strategy) and then you deal with the reality of the race and most of all, you deal with the other drivers in your way.

And the most powerfull weapon in a race is to outsmart or to trick your opponent. To surprise him. It's not a 20 laps exhibition. You're not displaying your perfect qualifying time, perfect cornering and pace every lap, expecting for others drivers to let you pass or open the door because, you know, you're the best.

What I.Fraga did on the 16th lap was a brilliant move. M.Hizal should have analysed this and told himself that I.Fraga will be defending and trying something on lap 17th on the exact same place.

It was so obvious I.Fraga will try something. And when you're racing, this is your top priority : to read and anticipate others behavior and psychology.

If that behavior is too bordeline, or dangerous, you get a penalty, as I.Fraga received.

Maybe M.Hizal didn't expect I.Fraga to play the racing game; he was just outsmarted. And after that he showed (at least to me) that he's lacking some kind of racing psychology.

M.Hizal is a very talented driver, but far from being a racer in my opinion. His brain boiled after lap 17 and he couldn't cope with it, maybe he gave up after it, and then certainly ruined the event with his comments.

Fraga was out raced by Lightning. And unlike real racing were dirty racing has become an acceptable part of the business.. Note the business word, that should not be acceptable in gtsport.

He said what everyone was thinking and the day after everyone else is agreeing, save for a few die hard fans?..

Fraga messed up and his reputation is forever tainted, it will take something special to get back from this.

And PD should reconsider sponsoring him, it's sending a weird message to other drivers right now.

And about that qualifying speed, Igor tried the same, he just wasn't fast enough. So he tried "something" alright..

 

[Haitauer]

Also Fraga is payed by McLaren as well as he is the Shadow Racer for 2018. He will probably in F1 someday

Sorry but i really cant see Fraga reaching F1. Anyone with hands and money/sponsors can do F3, but beyond that its a whole another level.

 

[symaski62]

wow !

 

[Pigems]

Sorry but i really cant see Fraga reaching F1. Anyone with hands and money/sponsors can do F3, but beyond that its a whole another level.

Ah, so F3 is to F1 what the Web.com Tour is to the PGA then? A feeder league that’s made up of mostly money donators(entrance fees) feeding the top few guys, with no real chance of progressing other than the top handful of guys?

 

[zzz_pt]

Wow just wow. So both cases where someone lift off are irrelevant ? Even though one is from the same track same turn even starting in the same place as both Fraga and Hamilton lifted off before the turn and on the end of the straight. I guess we as well as FIA will need to agree to disagree on what is a penalty and what is not. To be fair also Fraga is paid by PD just because he won last year. Hazal was there so was more of the other drivers and also Fraga was 10th in the final race but he still won by points with one of the most amazing drives I have ever seen. Also Fraga is payed by McLaren as well as he is the Shadow Racer for 2018. He will probably in F1 someday and I can't help but wonder will he be the next Senna.

Baku is irrelevant because they're going slow behind the SC and Vettel isn't doing an overtaking maneuver.

The other looks similar but it isn't for the reasons people have explained already. Hamilton didn't lift to half throttle through the section for 4 seconds, driving 30kmh slower than usual. Also, slipstream effects and consequences aren't comparable.

There's enough differences to make one a dirty block and the other a normal racing situation.

 

[GlamFM]

wow !

What is supposed to wow me here?

 

[dimassa19]

I don't think what Cody did was deliberate. I really think it was an honest mistake in my opinion. I think he just (greatly) misjudged the speed difference, he didn't want to take him out like that. What Fraga did was absolutely deliberate and equals to a brake-check at those speeds (and shows what country he is from btw). He will forever be a dirty driver in my book. The fact that drivers do it in real life doesn't make it OK. And to Mik: What a shame, man. You deserved the win. Just keep cool and don't show emotions to your rivals. Especially when they're sitting right next to you. You'll get him next time.👍

I agree. Cody goes lett to get out the way. But it was exactly at the moment when the Japanese tried to overtake.

 

[Ubu2001]

Fraga was out raced by Lightning. And unlike real racing were dirty racing has become an acceptable part of the business.. Note the business word, that should not be acceptable in gtsport.

He said what everyone was thinking and the day after everyone else is agreeing, save for a few die hard fans?..

Fraga messed up and his reputation is forever tainted, it will take something special to get back from this.

And PD should reconsider sponsoring him, it's sending a weird message to other drivers right now.

And about that qualifying speed, Igor tried the same, he just wasn't fast enough. So he tried "something" alright..

I was wrong and on second thought i reconsidered.
I'm sorry

 

[dimassa19]

I can respect different opinions on what happens in a race. I cannot respect comments regarding perceived dirty driving being linked to that person's nationality. Anyone making such comments needs to seriously grow up.

We are here to discuss racing games.

 

[Haitauer]

Ah, so F3 is to F1 what the Web.com Tour is to the PGA then? A feeder league that’s made up of mostly money donators(entrance fees) feeding the top few guys, with no real chance of progressing other than the top handful of guys?

F1 is Exeptional talent, millions of money and politics combined. More you have one of them the less you need the others, but its still quite a demanding equasion to fullfill..

 

[Winnie847]

Serious question here, what “rule” did Igor break?

Also, I’m going to report the next comment I see that says anything about anyone’s nationality. Just shut up already children.