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[MrRaahzeel]

Im gonna repost my question anyone knows where is Setted and why he's not competiting on GTSport ?!

 

[cowboyjon]

1. Fraga with the douche move to lift on the straight.

2. The 'incident' at the following corner was imo, absolutely nothing. Fraga is not obligated to relinquish the racing line to a car behind him.

3. The toys out the pram from Mik was embarrassing to watch.

 

[ExplodeTheApex]

Hamilton wasn't half throttle all the way up Eau Rouge though, and Vettel was able to drive as normal behind but had to pull out the tow on the straight earlier and back then the Ferrari was less powerful and higher drag than the Merc.

I think at that stage the engines were fairly equal, but it isn't a perfect comparison granted. To be honest, talking about 'real life' probably isn't super useful, they all came to win an esports competition, they didn't come to pretend it was 'real life', drive accordingly and finish second. As others have said, a damage model in the same league as the upcoming iRacing model would help in this regard, although even if PD built one I doubt they'd use it as some of the races (repechage in mind) could turn farcical.

Said no one. Julia is an awesome presenter that brings energy to the show.

My bad, my comment was pretty rude looking back. I think she has a good personality but it seemed like there was a decent amount of inconcise rambling and 'umming' and 'erring' amongst other things, although I suppose the production could've played a part in some of this.

 

[Famine]

 

[praiano63]

I agree that the Igor's move in lap 17 was polemic , but i repeat the same as my previous post (Mika was still on igor's rear end with 2 or more laps and softer tires.) Very early to give up with enough gas and tires on his side .

What i really don't understand is in lap 16 , Igor pull the rabbit out of the hat , letting Hizal pass after turn one to take back the stream and the lead in the straight. This move was very smart , with a very clean wonderfull pass at the end. A great racing moment. And i repeat , what i don't understand why Hizal was so upset after this wonderfull clean move from Igor. Check yourself , it start at 2:38.50 and shows Mika shaking his head looking at Fraga at 2:40.00 There was nothing to cry out for , wonderfull action.

 

[Johnny Dean]

Mikhail having a strop reminded me of Vettel switching the boards around. It's a bad look whatever the situation.

Fraga was cheeky but I'm with @HellzFire - it's ok. And if you watch real life racing, you see this cheekiness all the time.

Fascinating, as ever, to see the range of opinions on a racing move though!

(Also, can you imagine the driver shenanigans if they actually paid these guys?)

 

[VeeDoubleU]

The only thing some of you are doing is making is obvious that it wouldn't be good to race against you.

 

[Phaceless_Ph]

Sorry, but I'm not jumping the hypewagon, just because he outsmarted Hizal doesn't mean he cheated. Some of you are making it very clear that you would be the ones who take offence to light contact while overtaking and will try go for a revenge-send.

 

[Haitauer]

I agree that the Igor's move in lap 17 was polemic , but i repeat the same as my previous post (Mika was still on igor's rear end with 2 or more laps and softer tires.) Very early to give up with enough gas and tires on his side .

What i really don't understand is in lap 16 , Igor pull the rabbit out of the hat , letting Hizal pass after turn one to take back the stream and the lead in the straight. This move was very smart , with a very clean wonderfull pass at the end. A great racing moment. And i repeat , what i don't understand why Hizal was so upset after this wonderfull clean move from Igor. Check yourself , it start at 2:38.50 and shows Mika shaking his head looking at Fraga at 2:40.00 There was nothing to cry out for , wonderfull action.

As i said before, these kind of tactics are not good for the sport and give a bad example - but that said I do think we have to keep in mind this is not actual racing but e-sports instead. In real racing i would have despised such a move as lives would be put to risk, but in a game as a gamer Igors move was actually very intelligent. In any e-sports the top dogs are the ones who can play the game and exploit any tactics.

I would have loved to see clean racing for the sake of it - i think Fraga would have come on top either way as Hizal didnt have fuel to battle it out.

Ps. The stewards really need to draw a line if they are going to judge these races as a real life simulation or as e-sport game. That 5sec penalty is not enough of a penalty if thinking what would happen in real life, but its too much of a penalty given WAY too late if looking it as a game. 1-2sec penalty given rightaway would have been the right choise - opportunity for Hizal to either get past and try staying in front or to try hang behind Fraga if he could until finish (which i doubt he could have done).

 

[bnight]

Why there is no option no it was racing ?

 

[Famine]

Why there is no option no it was racing ?

That'd be the third option.

 

[kjeldsen]

Sorry, but I'm not jumping the hypewagon, just because he outsmarted Hizal doesn't mean he cheated. Some of you are making it very clear that you would be the ones who take offence to light contact while overtaking and will try go for a revenge-send.

He didn't cheat, he made a dirty move with a useless punishment being handed to him. I can understand his frustration, he was slower than Hizal and he got outmatched on track, so in his mind it may have made sense to try and beat him in another way. Except they are racing for honor, nothing else and he lost that.

 

[Loverson]

The frustation started before Igor's questionable move since for Mik, he HAD to overtake him before switching to a leaner fuel map, that pressure and stress also probably got to him.

When you see the gap getting bigger, it wasn't exactly giving up, he just couldn't keep up with his fuel.

If Mik had overtaken him, he would have been able to keep a back and forth attack/defense , considering there is a big straight and slipstream is absurdly strong.


Still my guesses, Miyazono is the one that deserved the best imo and just feels sour since once again Cody was involved

 

[bnight]

Still my guesses, Miyazono is the one that deserved the best imo and just feels sour since once again Cody was involved

To be fair Miyazono didn't calculate his race correctly he should have stayed 2 more laps on the 3rd stint in order for him to have fighting chance to win but he fueled less than needed. So he probably would not have won ether way but who knows.

 

[kjeldsen]

The frustation started before Igor's questionable move since for Mik, he HAD to overtake him before switching to a leaner fuel map, that pressure and stress also probably got to him.

When you see the gap getting bigger, it wasn't exactly giving up, he just couldn't keep up with his fuel.

If Mik had overtaken him, he would have been able to keep a back and forth attack/defense , considering there is a big straight and slipstream is absurdly strong.


Still my guesses, Miyazono is the one that deserved the best imo and just feels sour since once again Cody was involved

Imagine if Igor had kept it clean.. then we would know, now there is only one takeaway from this race, and that is Igor will do everything to win a race..

 

[praiano63]

As i said before, these kind of tactics are not good for the sport and give a bad example - but that said I do think we have to keep in mind this is not actual racing but e-sports instead. In real racing i would have despised such a move as lives would be put to risk, but in a game as a gamer Igors move was actually very intelligent. In any e-sports the top dogs are the ones who can play the game and exploit any tactics.

I would have loved to see clean racing for the sake of it - i think Fraga would have come on top either way as Hizal didnt have fuel to battle it out.

Ps. The stewards really need to draw a line if they are going to judge these races as a real life simulation or as e-sport game. That 5sec penalty is not enough of a penalty if thinking what would happen in real life, but its too much of a penalty given WAY too late if looking it as a game. 1-2sec penalty given rightaway would have been the right choise - opportunity for Hizal to either get past and try staying in front or to try hang behind Fraga if he could until finish (which i doubt he could have done).

Ok , i understand your point of view but we don't know about Mik gas level at this moment , he was able to follow the pace during a lap and a half till the end. It was still a strong pace.
And what about Mik attitude in lap 16 at 2:40.00 ? Absolutely no reasons to be upset this way. In my opinion , it's pressure + trauma from past FIA events .

 

[Progress823]

To think that the damage would automatically improve the sportsmanship of the participants seems delusional.
Damages, as such, do not change behavior, it is their consequences that do. Damages in real life are, first very expensive, endangering the commercial viability of racing teams, and secondly, they put at risk of serious injuries or even death to drivers.
In any simulator these two consequences do not exist, the damages do not imply real cost, nor do they endanger the physical integrity of the participants, so their only consequences may be a waste of time or the impossibility of continuing the race. Both the loss of time and the impossibility of continuing the race can be simulated with the tools available to the commissioners, time penalties and disqualifications.

Moreover, even in real life with all the real consequences of driving risk in motor racing, participants do not stop committing stupidities and risk accidents due to the fight for positions.

Keep in mind that in the incident yesterday between Latkovski and Miyazono some damage would have ended the race day of both, depriving Miyazono of the consolation prize of 4th place. More real would have been, but not more fair, or more sporty, or better spectacle for the spectators.

When damage is enabled (at least in GT Sport), three things tend to happen:

1) The poor drivers leave the lobby immediately when they realize the damage is not going away (I never understood the logic of light damage anyway lol).

2) Incidents on track (once racing) are reduced just because of the chance one person can ruin another person’s race.

3) You still make get an occasional a**hat that overruns a corner, but most of the time they will damage their own car, ruining their own race.

The drivers that made to the events are supposed to be “the cream of the crop”. Without damage enabled from the beginning (I mean from the daily races all the way to the main event), situations like yesterday will continue to happen.

The piss poor stewarding yesterday did not help either.

 

[Haitauer]

Ok , i understand your point of view but we don't know about Mik gas level at this moment , he was able to follow the pace during a lap and a half till the end. It was still a strong pace.
And what about Mik attitude in lap 16 at 2:40.00 ? Absolutely no reasons to be upset this way. In my opinion , it's pressure + trauma from past FIA events .

Yeah - Mik acted like a child. But he said in Extra Lap he had to save fuel due to all of the overtaking and battle with Fraga, so I assume he couldnt have taken the fight to the flag anyways..

 

[ShrekIsLove]

So the time has come. We have officially a Hamilton in Gran Turismo Sport too. Good job, Fraga.

 

[doblocruiser]

Mik acted like a child

Kids playing videogames (this is pointing the the maturity of most of the event's drivers.)

The platform GT Sport provides is great but the driving etiquette and maturity has to be raised by a significant bar.

The presenters, especially Tom is doing an amazing job and I would like to see the drivers up to the same level of enthusiasm and profesionalism. Also rules should be clear and when oh when are they going to turn on the serious damage option. Could help the current situation.

 

[Mikail Hizal]

First of all thank you guys and I appreciate all of your opinions. Great to see having a discussion here.

I will tell you my point of view a little bit.
When i was pitting in for my last stop i overfueled by 1 lap so that i could push a little bit more than in the first two stints as i was saving a lot of fuel (and way more than Fraga who was pushing). Once i caught up to him i obviously tried to overtake him as soon as possible so that i could still save fuel a little bit but not as much like when i did at the beginning of the race. I think you all saw the incidents and the Clip and i will let you guys decide on that.
After my 3rd failed overtake attempt where i got slightly pushed i had to save fuel as i was down by 0.2 lap. The reason why i was so furious through out the last couple of laps was that i expected to see a notification popping up and saying "Incident between Igor and Mikail is going to be investigated" as he was driving about 30-40kmh after eau rouge on purpose and me braking to avoid the contact on a high speed corner. Imagine this same incident and contact happening in real life.
Obviously when i was saving fuel afterwards i knew if there will ever be a penalty for Igor then maybe a 5 sec penalty but because of saving fuel that much i couldn't do it.

For me personally it was a shame that this race ended up like that and perhaps i shouldn't have been that direct on the post interview. I apologize for that but as for Salzburg i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thank you.

 

[ShrekIsLove]

First of all thank you guys and I appreciate all of your opinions. Great to see having a discussion here.

I will tell you my point of view a little bit.
When i was pitting in for my last stop i overfueled by 1 lap so that i could push a little bit more than in the first two stints as i was saving a lot of fuel (and way more than Fraga who was pushing). Once i caught up to him i obviously tried to overtake him as soon as possible so that i could still save fuel a little bit but not as much like when i did at the beginning of the race. I think you all saw the incidents and the Clip and i will let you guys decide on that.
After my 3rd failed overtake attempt where i got slightly pushed i had to save fuel as i was down by 0.2 lap. The reason why i was so furious through out the last couple of laps was that i expected to see a notification popping up and saying "Incident between Igor and Mikail is going to be investigated" as he was driving about 30-40kmh after eau rouge on purpose and me braking to avoid the contact on a high speed corner. Imagine this same incident and contact happening in real life.
Obviously when i was saving fuel afterwards i knew if there will ever be a penalty for Igor then maybe a 5 sec penalty but because of saving fuel that much i couldn't do it.

For me personally it was a shame that this race ended up like that and perhaps i shouldn't have been that direct on the post interview. I apologize for that but as for Salzburg i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thank you.

You deserved that win. The penalty should've come during the race not afterwards. Shame that this thing is happening in the virtual racing too.

 

[watto79]

First of all thank you guys and I appreciate all of your opinions. Great to see having a discussion here.

I will tell you my point of view a little bit.
When i was pitting in for my last stop i overfueled by 1 lap so that i could push a little bit more than in the first two stints as i was saving a lot of fuel (and way more than Fraga who was pushing). Once i caught up to him i obviously tried to overtake him as soon as possible so that i could still save fuel a little bit but not as much like when i did at the beginning of the race. I think you all saw the incidents and the Clip and i will let you guys decide on that.
After my 3rd failed overtake attempt where i got slightly pushed i had to save fuel as i was down by 0.2 lap. The reason why i was so furious through out the last couple of laps was that i expected to see a notification popping up and saying "Incident between Igor and Mikail is going to be investigated" as he was driving about 30-40kmh after eau rouge on purpose and me braking to avoid the contact on a high speed corner. Imagine this same incident and contact happening in real life.
Obviously when i was saving fuel afterwards i knew if there will ever be a penalty for Igor then maybe a 5 sec penalty but because of saving fuel that much i couldn't do it.

For me personally it was a shame that this race ended up like that and perhaps i shouldn't have been that direct on the post interview. I apologize for that but as for Salzburg i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thank you.

Great to hear from you and appreciate your view on the race. It can't be easy to read a lot of opinions from people who haven't raced under the same pressure and circumstances you guys do.

I didn't like seeing how upset you were immediately after the race so only hope you are doing better today.

The best possible response will be to beat Fraga with clean racing. If anyone can do it, you can.

Best of luck.

 

[Johnny Dean]

@TRL LIGHTNING - thanks for coming on here with your take man. Appreciated.

Can I ask: what would you have done differently with the benefit of hindsight?

 

[Mikail Hizal]

@TRL LIGHTNING - thanks for coming on here with your take man. Appreciated.

Can I ask: what would you have done differently with the benefit of hindsight?

I think after Fraga going to the right after T1 immediatly either slowing down too or just using fuel map 6 so i don't have any horsepower and can't get the run on me.

 

[praiano63]

i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thanks for this , you're the man . An awsome driver , with a great racing spirit . Never give up anymore !! It's just a game.

 

[HellzFire]

@TRL LIGHTNING you're amazing m8. I know you didn't quit after the incident, I was right behind you watching you and Igor racing. It's understandable that you were pissed after what happened and your pace dropped a bit also because you were a bit behind on fuel.

Shame your battle ended up like that, but you showed that you're more than capable of beating Igor. Think that's a very positive thing to take away from this.

I really want you to win Nations in Salzburg. You're a great character and person. You deserve it.

 

[Loverson]

@TRL LIGHTNING thanks for the explanation and rundown.
It is tough and i'm glad you're still keeping up, you had great teammates in Manu and regardless you did well in Nations, just a shame in the end.

How was driving the EF7? Better than random N cars, i presume

 

[Pigems]

First of all thank you guys and I appreciate all of your opinions. Great to see having a discussion here.

I will tell you my point of view a little bit.
When i was pitting in for my last stop i overfueled by 1 lap so that i could push a little bit more than in the first two stints as i was saving a lot of fuel (and way more than Fraga who was pushing). Once i caught up to him i obviously tried to overtake him as soon as possible so that i could still save fuel a little bit but not as much like when i did at the beginning of the race. I think you all saw the incidents and the Clip and i will let you guys decide on that.
After my 3rd failed overtake attempt where i got slightly pushed i had to save fuel as i was down by 0.2 lap. The reason why i was so furious through out the last couple of laps was that i expected to see a notification popping up and saying "Incident between Igor and Mikail is going to be investigated" as he was driving about 30-40kmh after eau rouge on purpose and me braking to avoid the contact on a high speed corner. Imagine this same incident and contact happening in real life.
Obviously when i was saving fuel afterwards i knew if there will ever be a penalty for Igor then maybe a 5 sec penalty but because of saving fuel that much i couldn't do it.

For me personally it was a shame that this race ended up like that and perhaps i shouldn't have been that direct on the post interview. I apologize for that but as for Salzburg i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thank you.

Honestly I’m glad you called it out on the live broadcast, it’s about time someone actually spoke their mind to PD. Great weekend of racing man!

 

[schnick]

First of all thank you guys and I appreciate all of your opinions. Great to see having a discussion here.

I will tell you my point of view a little bit.
When i was pitting in for my last stop i overfueled by 1 lap so that i could push a little bit more than in the first two stints as i was saving a lot of fuel (and way more than Fraga who was pushing). Once i caught up to him i obviously tried to overtake him as soon as possible so that i could still save fuel a little bit but not as much like when i did at the beginning of the race. I think you all saw the incidents and the Clip and i will let you guys decide on that.
After my 3rd failed overtake attempt where i got slightly pushed i had to save fuel as i was down by 0.2 lap. The reason why i was so furious through out the last couple of laps was that i expected to see a notification popping up and saying "Incident between Igor and Mikail is going to be investigated" as he was driving about 30-40kmh after eau rouge on purpose and me braking to avoid the contact on a high speed corner. Imagine this same incident and contact happening in real life.
Obviously when i was saving fuel afterwards i knew if there will ever be a penalty for Igor then maybe a 5 sec penalty but because of saving fuel that much i couldn't do it.

For me personally it was a shame that this race ended up like that and perhaps i shouldn't have been that direct on the post interview. I apologize for that but as for Salzburg i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thank you.

Good stuff Mik. Loved the interview after. Dem's fighting words. We know you'll be on the top step of the podium soon.