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Serious question here, what “rule” did Igor break?

Also, I’m going to report the next comment I see that says anything about anyone’s nationality. Just shut up already children.

That’s the problem with this whole competition really, how can an international competition be held that doesn’t have a single “rule” written down on paper anywhere? How can stewards hand out penalties for anything without a rule book to work off of? Or, how can the racers be expected to race within rules that don’t exist? There needs to be a rule book put into place, at very least for the FIA Live events if nothing else.

The only rule there is(kind of), is don’t make yourself look bad, and Igor definitely made himself look bad.
 
First of all thank you guys and I appreciate all of your opinions. Great to see having a discussion here.

I will tell you my point of view a little bit.
When i was pitting in for my last stop i overfueled by 1 lap so that i could push a little bit more than in the first two stints as i was saving a lot of fuel (and way more than Fraga who was pushing). Once i caught up to him i obviously tried to overtake him as soon as possible so that i could still save fuel a little bit but not as much like when i did at the beginning of the race. I think you all saw the incidents and the Clip and i will let you guys decide on that.
After my 3rd failed overtake attempt where i got slightly pushed i had to save fuel as i was down by 0.2 lap. The reason why i was so furious through out the last couple of laps was that i expected to see a notification popping up and saying "Incident between Igor and Mikail is going to be investigated" as he was driving about 30-40kmh after eau rouge on purpose and me braking to avoid the contact on a high speed corner. Imagine this same incident and contact happening in real life.
Obviously when i was saving fuel afterwards i knew if there will ever be a penalty for Igor then maybe a 5 sec penalty but because of saving fuel that much i couldn't do it.

For me personally it was a shame that this race ended up like that and perhaps i shouldn't have been that direct on the post interview. I apologize for that but as for Salzburg i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thank you.

Totally understandable comments. Gamesmanship robbed you of an almost certain win and you definitely should speak out about it. The people watching, never mind the drivers, don't want to see those sorts of tactics being used and the 5 second penalty shows PD isn't going to allow that sort of racing but they dropped the ball by not spotting it during the race.

You dropped out of the draft very quickly (3 seconds behind) so did you make a mistake that we didn't see somewhere or was it really because you thought PD ignored what Fraga had done?

Let's see the 'Smooth Operator' at Salzberg.👍👍



What do you guys think about this situation between Igor Fraga and Nico Rubilar?


1st corner shenanigans. It would be extremely harsh to penalise for it.
 
That’s the problem with this whole competition really, how can an international competition be held that doesn’t have a single “rule” written down on paper anywhere? How can stewards hand out penalties for anything without a rule book to work off of? Or, how can the racers be expected to race within rules that don’t exist? There needs to be a rule book put into place, at very least for the FIA Live events if nothing else.

The only rule there is(kind of), is don’t make yourself look bad, and Igor definitely made himself look bad.

I don’t understand why they don’t just use the in-game penalty system at these events. This is how everyone knows to race, and FIA races at the top levels generally stay pretty clean (emphasis on generally). This provides predictability above all else. We all know that the system doesn’t always get it right, but the stewards can then intervene and remove penalties if needed rather than enforcing rules that don’t actually exist outside of the already established system. We don’t need high damage, or better stewards. These competitors just need to be able to play the game like they know how to.
 
I don't watch any car racing or esports but I've followed motogp most of my adult life (I'm 40 next month).

I watched this final and have observed the fallout today and its been really interesting.

In motogp for example, Rossi went from being able to play with his competition for funzies to being legit slower and had to rely on something other than outright lap speed to win. Think Stoner at Laguna Seca or Lorenzo in 2006 at the final corner.

Should Rossi have been content to parade round in 2nd place without trying anything out of the ordinary? Of course not - that's not what racing is and nobody wants to see that.


It's plain to see in the replies here and on social media that most people want their esports racing to consist of immaculate driving and gentleman-like conduct at all times, like something out of a Harry Enfield sketch.

Thats not real racing though, is it?

Are these gt sport events supposed to be like real racing or not?

Sorry for waffling on - I'm more than likely miles out but there's a level of nonsense and outrage going on here that I havent seen in a while.
 
My opinions:
- It IS a brake-check. Mikail had to brake to avoid collision in a full-throttle turn. Comparisons with Baku are irrelevant, they were behind SC and not racing (about Spa and Hamilton I have to review before having an opinion)
- Igor lost my (and as I read a lot of others' here) respect after that move. I am totally disgusted. More than that, he becomes an image of GT towards a lot of people and I don't want to have players driving like this in my dailies...
- Penalty was fair as far as seconds are concerned, unfortunate that he kept the position this way
- I like that we have 2 superstars with different behavior, one of them being the "bad boy", Schumacher-style! Bring up the conflict!
- I will not comment on Cody's actions, he has to be banned from this year's finals, irrespective of his proven speed, in order to get his mind straight.
 
First of all thank you guys and I appreciate all of your opinions. Great to see having a discussion here.

I will tell you my point of view a little bit.
When i was pitting in for my last stop i overfueled by 1 lap so that i could push a little bit more than in the first two stints as i was saving a lot of fuel (and way more than Fraga who was pushing). Once i caught up to him i obviously tried to overtake him as soon as possible so that i could still save fuel a little bit but not as much like when i did at the beginning of the race. I think you all saw the incidents and the Clip and i will let you guys decide on that.
After my 3rd failed overtake attempt where i got slightly pushed i had to save fuel as i was down by 0.2 lap. The reason why i was so furious through out the last couple of laps was that i expected to see a notification popping up and saying "Incident between Igor and Mikail is going to be investigated" as he was driving about 30-40kmh after eau rouge on purpose and me braking to avoid the contact on a high speed corner. Imagine this same incident and contact happening in real life.
Obviously when i was saving fuel afterwards i knew if there will ever be a penalty for Igor then maybe a 5 sec penalty but because of saving fuel that much i couldn't do it.

For me personally it was a shame that this race ended up like that and perhaps i shouldn't have been that direct on the post interview. I apologize for that but as for Salzburg i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thank you.

Hi Mikail.

First of all, i'm sorry for you. What happened yesterday was really hard. As always, you really had the pace to win the race.

For me, the main problem is the consistency of the stewards. I don't know how it works for the FIAGTC, but this mix of laxism and brutality random decision really make people angry. You were harsh on after lap, but i understand you.

What i saw after re-watch the race with my head cooled down is an unfortunate mistake of judgement by Igor. I know that move of lift at Eau Rouge is somewhat common to make a slingshot and save fuel and tires and being faster than the opponent at the same time. We saw it IRL in WEC this year, but also in F1 with Hamilton.

In lap 16, his defense worked well, he made it with great timing and speed. But the next lap... Maybe he lifted too soon and was surprised by the steep hill, massively reducing his speed ? I don't know. In all cases, he lifted too much and block you too much at Raidillon. That deserved his penalty. You were surprised by the difference, and have no solution but to brake. It's his fault, and it was regrettable.

That 's what i saw from my screen. I know it's easy to judge, as i was not there, in your seat, fighting for the lead. I think the best thing is to wait for a explaination from Igor here, for a better comprehension for all. But that's my two cents.

But i know you can win a World Tour. Don't let this unfortunate conclusion let you down, let the beast you are unleash on track more than ever ! You're a fan favorite, and i'm sure this was a one-off incident. I hope to see you at Monaco !

For other people, i think it's better to cool down a bit. I don't think Fraga is a particulary "dirty" driver, and certainely not "covered" by PD, FIA, or any other parties. I'm sure it's a one-off incident, and as the champion he is, will not repeat those faults. I think he's in fault, but he accept it. Main problem, as i said, is the Steward decision. Them penalties are too random and inconsistent. For the good of sport, this must change. I hope Salzburg will be largely cleaner.
 
My 2 cents for what it's worth (which is probably about 0.5 cents :P ).

Interesting Final race, particularly the strategies.

The "pull off the racing line and give up both track and race position" move was interesting, and I guess well thought out.
I don't mind it, and it seems fair to me, but saying that I wouldn't like to see it happen every lap, so I can't decide whether it's an issue or not.

The 'lift' through eau rouge is different though.
Again, a decent idea mid-race, but poorly executed to the point of it being dangerous.
Both cars could have been taken out of the race with that move, so in my books it was dangerous, akin to a brake check, and a penalty should have been applied during the race.

And to finish off this post, a quick strategy analysis.
For my money, the thing that beat Hizal (besides Fraga) was his fuel strategy.
It's difficult to get a full understanding with people driving to save fuel and also using fuel maps, but ...

If the numbers on screen are to be believed it went like this:
Hizal pits end of lap 8 - has 49 in tank and takes no fuel. 16 seconds down to Fraga
Fraga pits end of lap 9 - has 21 in tank and takes no fuel.

Hizal pits end of lap 10 - has 37 in tank - fills 37 - has 74 in tank with 10 laps to go.
Fraga pits end of lap 11 - has 4 in tank - fills 77 - has 81 in tank with 9 laps to go.

Pit stop time for Hizal - 25 seconds.
Pit stop time for Fraga - 38 seconds.

So in the end, the time lost on track due to fuel saving wasn't enough to counter the time saved in the pits.
On top of which, Hizal needed to be conservative and fuel save when running Softs, which is not ideal.
A more aggressive fuel strategy, particularly early in the race, would have seen Hizal a lot closer to Fraga, with Hizal having the upper hand with the tyre compounds on the last stint.


Anyway, I enjoyed the race, and it was great to see Spa back in GT. 👍
 
Fraga was out raced by Lightning. And unlike real racing were dirty racing has become an acceptable part of the business.. Note the business word, that should not be acceptable in gtsport.

He said what everyone was thinking and the day after everyone else is agreeing, save for a few die hard fans?..

Fraga messed up and his reputation is forever tainted, it will take something special to get back from this.

And PD should reconsider sponsoring him, it's sending a weird message to other drivers right now.

And about that qualifying speed, Igor tried the same, he just wasn't fast enough. So he tried "something" alright..
why you hate fraga so much?
 
To think that the damage would automatically improve the sportsmanship of the participants seems delusional.
Damages, as such, do not change behavior, it is their consequences that do. Damages in real life are, first very expensive, endangering the commercial viability of racing teams, and secondly, they put at risk of serious injuries or even death to drivers.
In any simulator these two consequences do not exist, the damages do not imply real cost, nor do they endanger the physical integrity of the participants, so their only consequences may be a waste of time or the impossibility of continuing the race. Both the loss of time and the impossibility of continuing the race can be simulated with the tools available to the commissioners, time penalties and disqualifications.

Moreover, even in real life with all the real consequences of driving risk in motor racing, participants do not stop committing stupidities and risk accidents due to the fight for positions.

Keep in mind that in the incident yesterday between Latkovski and Miyazono some damage would have ended the race day of both, depriving Miyazono of the consolation prize of 4th place. More real would have been, but not more fair, or more sporty, or better spectacle for the spectators.
You do know this is GT Sport we're discussing. Do you think many players care about doing things that make them look bad? Obviously, some of those top drivers were thinking about that over the weekend. Heck no. So, if many aren't following the etiquette videos, what else can be done to solve behaviour problems?

If you want to bring real racing into it, Bent steering. That is one major occurrence that happens all the time in real racing. Flat tyres from side by side contact. The list goes on.

Many players need to get the message that their own race will be ruined by their irratic behaviour. A Penalty Zone is a start.Only thing is, it's not fair either. I watched a player get 5 seconds for trying to avoid a ghosting car that was out of control. It went right across the track and the player that got the penalty, had nothing to do with the incident.

Right now, there is no consequence. Many cheat the system by ruining others Driver rating. Make damage heavier and I guarantee attitudes change.
 
The lift to get the slipstream near la source was fine but the one at raidillon was dirty as hell. Next time just take him out when he does that :lol:

That blue moon race was wild btw, was waiting for a big wreck but it was relatively clean for the most part!
 
I don't watch any car racing or esports but I've followed motogp most of my adult life (I'm 40 next month).

I watched this final and have observed the fallout today and its been really interesting.

In motogp for example, Rossi went from being able to play with his competition for funzies to being legit slower and had to rely on something other than outright lap speed to win. Think Stoner at Laguna Seca or Lorenzo in 2006 at the final corner.

Should Rossi have been content to parade round in 2nd place without trying anything out of the ordinary? Of course not - that's not what racing is and nobody wants to see that.


It's plain to see in the replies here and on social media that most people want their esports racing to consist of immaculate driving and gentleman-like conduct at all times, like something out of a Harry Enfield sketch.

Thats not real racing though, is it?

Are these gt sport events supposed to be like real racing or not?

Sorry for waffling on - I'm more than likely miles out but there's a level of nonsense and outrage going on here that I havent seen in a while.

I think the same, and this was a good example why sports move so much money people whant to see things out of the ordinary.

Be able to drive and think at the same time and pull out moves that afect other people behavior and on top off that achieve your objectives its cool to see even if on the eyes of the world didn´t seemed correct.

Everyone it´s ignoring the fact that Igor puted himself at risk to pull of those maneuvers not only once but twice while facing probably a equal skilled driver but theres only a place for 1 on top.

This kind of things happen and the only thing to do it´s to adapt and learn, it´s all part of the learning process.

I really doubt if Hizal have the chance next time they meet that he will leave Igor at lose behind him and let him overtake easy has he did.

The lvl is so high and both deserve credits and for shure like in RL personalitys have a very important role in this world and like in RL races pilots have to know each other and know what each can do, learn and adapt vegeance its a dish that it´s better served cold.
 
Edit: Just noticed I'm replying to Brazilian users. Wonder why that is.

It's clear that you don't care about fairness, but only about your feelings. You wanted Igor to be punished for 5,7 secs, maybe for 30 secs, or just enough to adapt reality to a scenario where Hizal would win. How much time did Hizal lose when Igor lifted, whether he could actually overtake and maintain P1 being so low on fuel, the other events that lead to that situation... nothing matters. PD must be biased! Igor is evil, he's Brazilian! The car is better suited to Igor! If only the penalty was served in the race, maybe 5 seconds could have turned into 8 seconds! You just want your buddy to win so badly.

What i learned from todays events: Lamb is a keypad user.

Much respect Dodge Lamb.

Btw. Im sure i saw Lambs doppleganger in the crowd on the stream

What keypad? You mean he uses the d-pad and not even the analog sticks of the controller?

i just watched the most cringeworthy thing
"South American drivers have just excelled in the last two events purely based on luck" (you know who, WT NY 2019)

Edit: 2:02:08 in the youtube video replay of the broadcast

I'm south american and thought he was hilarious. Don't agree with what he did to Miyazono, but his personality can make these events more fun.
 
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It's clear that you don't care about fairness, but only about your feelings. You wanted Igor to be punished for 5,7 secs, maybe for 30 secs, or just enough to adapt reality to a scenario where Hizal would win. How much time did Hizal lose when Igor lifted, whether he could actually overtake and maintain P1 being so low on fuel, the other events that lead to that situation... nothing matters. PD must be biased! Igor is evil, he's Brazilian! The car is better suited to Igor! If only the penalty was served in the race, maybe 5 seconds could have turned into 8 seconds! You just want your buddy to win so badly.

1) My point of replying to Brazilian users is not because I think Brazilian drivers are dirty. You could see me writing in this forum about how stupid I think that is (I've done it for Brazilian, Spanish and French drivers who are often accused of being all dirty). My point is that I'm yet to see a Brazilian who doesn't think Igor is perfect and makes no mistakes or dirty moves. Igor is not perfect and I don't appreciate blind nationalism.

2) If you follow these threads, you'd also see how I've written about Igor and defended him against dumb criticism in other live events.

3) I didn't want the penalty to be 5,7. I wanted both drivers informed the incident was being investigated (they had 4 laps to put that info on the screen) and the penalty awarded during the race. That's what I wanted.

4) I couldn't care less about anyone's flag. But I like to call out and remind people who share a flag with a particular competitor that bias is a thing. I speak the same language as Igor and I watch his IRL races (on his channel). But that doesn't mean I will support everything he does.

So, quit with the BS if you don't know what you're talking about. The ones at fault are the organizers and the stewards for letting things reach this level and Igor has to be called out.

He's driving formulas IRL after all, so his opponents should feel safe while racing against him.

Here's how formula cars with high down force should go through Eau Rouge (from half the video to the end):


Here's some of what happens when you play stupid games at Eau Rouge:
 
Everyone it´s ignoring the fact that Igor puted himself at risk to pull of those maneuvers

He wouldn't have pulled off those manouvres if PD simply activated the penalty system as used in the pre-rounds of the FIA events. Second thing, maybe he should get in touch with Barichello to get some parenting racing advice since I find him a true gentlemen in Motorsports.
 
F1 is Exeptional talent, millions of money and politics combined. More you have one of them the less you need the others, but its still quite a demanding equasion to fullfill..
Fraga is in the McLaren Talent Program same program that developed the current 5 times World Champion soon to be 6 times one. So how much more resources than this Fraga need ?
 
1) My point of replying to Brazilian users is not because I think Brazilian drivers are dirty. You could see me writing in this forum about how stupid I think that is (I've done it for Brazilian, Spanish and French drivers who are often accused of being all dirty). My point is that I'm yet to see a Brazilian who doesn't think Igor is perfect and makes no mistakes or dirty moves. Igor is not perfect and I don't appreciate blind nationalism.
I didn't see blind nationalism in this discussion, in this forum. Nothing more expected than rooting for someone who's closer to you. I watched the english stream, but I know that the portuguese commentators will cheer for Igor, as much as the Spanish commentators are expected to root for spanish speaking drivers.

Being very honest, I tend to root for Nico. He's the first I followed on YT and watching him racing and destroying his opponents online motivated me to try reaching a higher level. Igor seldom race with us, whereas Nico is constantly in the same grid as me.

What bothers me is that people often use the racist argument here against Brazilians and it seems impossible to have a discussion without recurring to nationality. I couldn't care less about Igor winning again at this time, but I truly believe he's a good guy and, though the lifting was a bit dirty, it's blown out of proportion.
 
I don't watch any car racing or esports but I've followed motogp most of my adult life (I'm 40 next month).

I watched this final and have observed the fallout today and its been really interesting.

In motogp for example, Rossi went from being able to play with his competition for funzies to being legit slower and had to rely on something other than outright lap speed to win. Think Stoner at Laguna Seca or Lorenzo in 2006 at the final corner.

Should Rossi have been content to parade round in 2nd place without trying anything out of the ordinary? Of course not - that's not what racing is and nobody wants to see that.


It's plain to see in the replies here and on social media that most people want their esports racing to consist of immaculate driving and gentleman-like conduct at all times, like something out of a Harry Enfield sketch.

Thats not real racing though, is it?

Are these gt sport events supposed to be like real racing or not?

Sorry for waffling on - I'm more than likely miles out but there's a level of nonsense and outrage going on here that I havent seen in a while.
You are absolutely spot on. Sim racers seem to expect a level of perfection and clean driving that simply doesn’t exist is real world racing. Fraga showed superb race craft to stay ahead with a slower car. Admittedly easing off the throttle was a little naughty and deserved a penalty. Everything else was well within the bounds of acceptable racing.

Racing is not hot lapping. If it was we could wrap things up after qualifying and be done with it.
 
I didn't see blind nationalism in this discussion, in this forum. Nothing more expected than rooting for someone who's closer to you. I watched the english stream, but I know that the portuguese commentators will cheer for Igor, as much as the Spanish commentators are expected to root for spanish speaking drivers.

Being very honest, I tend to root for Nico. He's the first I followed on YT and watching him racing and destroying his opponents online motivated me to try reaching a higher level. Igor seldom race with us, whereas Nico is constantly in the same grid as me.

What bothers me is that people often use the racist argument here against Brazilians and it seems impossible to have a discussion without recurring to nationality. I couldn't care less about Igor winning again at this time, but I truly believe he's a good guy and, though the lifting was a bit dirty, it's blown out of proportion.

That's fair enough. :)

But just to make it clear, here's some of what I've written on this forum about Igor and the subject of dirty drivers of particular countries:





 
He wouldn't have pulled off those manouvres if PD simply activated the penalty system as used in the pre-rounds of the FIA events. Second thing, maybe he should get in touch with Barichello to get some parenting racing advice since I find him a true gentlemen in Motorsports.

I think realistic damage would solve many of the problems stated here.

I´m not a Igor 100% suporter, just stating my opinion how races work in RL and like we saw virtual racings also follow the same line, you must be tricky and smart at least.., that doesn´t mean you have to be dirty but in this case Igor was a bit but thats how world works.

In fact i hope Hizal can have a rematch so we can all benefit from the show, Hizal really deservs a 2nd chance to pay it back.

Worsth in my opinion was the recap racing, if penalty system was apllied that race was just a mess, with realistic damage probably only 2 or 3 pilots could finish the race with their cars heavely damaged, on the other hand if this was a thing for shure pilots had to be lot more carefull.

That was pure luck and really unfair for most of the drivers.
 
I wonder if the finalists prefer this unrealistic slipstream or if they would prefer something closer to the real slipstream effect (that other sims replicate quite accurately). It would solve some issues of bump drafting / sudden moves / dubious blocking and, obviously, produce results less influenced by a mechanic that's there to help who's behind and hinder who's in front.
 
He didn't cheat, he made a dirty move with a useless punishment being handed to him. I can understand his frustration, he was slower than Hizal and he got outmatched on track, so in his mind it may have made sense to try and beat him in another way. Except they are racing for honor, nothing else and he lost that.

Just watched it again, yeah, I'm actually questioning how that wasn't penalised more severely, that wasn't a move which I can say was within the rules. I just hope @TRL LIGHTNING doesn't go on to take an eye-for-an-eye approach for retaliation in future races.
 
First of all thank you guys and I appreciate all of your opinions. Great to see having a discussion here.

I will tell you my point of view a little bit.
When i was pitting in for my last stop i overfueled by 1 lap so that i could push a little bit more than in the first two stints as i was saving a lot of fuel (and way more than Fraga who was pushing). Once i caught up to him i obviously tried to overtake him as soon as possible so that i could still save fuel a little bit but not as much like when i did at the beginning of the race. I think you all saw the incidents and the Clip and i will let you guys decide on that.
After my 3rd failed overtake attempt where i got slightly pushed i had to save fuel as i was down by 0.2 lap. The reason why i was so furious through out the last couple of laps was that i expected to see a notification popping up and saying "Incident between Igor and Mikail is going to be investigated" as he was driving about 30-40kmh after eau rouge on purpose and me braking to avoid the contact on a high speed corner. Imagine this same incident and contact happening in real life.
Obviously when i was saving fuel afterwards i knew if there will ever be a penalty for Igor then maybe a 5 sec penalty but because of saving fuel that much i couldn't do it.

For me personally it was a shame that this race ended up like that and perhaps i shouldn't have been that direct on the post interview. I apologize for that but as for Salzburg i will try to give it my best again and still try to race as clean as possible.

Thank you.
Good to hear your point. I was rooting for your win. It will come one day hopefully next event. I called you poor mentality as i thought you purposely dropped your pace because of Anger. Didnt know about this fuel saving thing. My Bad bro.

Although i am little surprised by the amount of fuel saving you had to do after the incident. Dropping 5 sec in 4 laps is just too much.

What you would have done after passing Igor if it had happened that way considering the fuel you had?
 
Love me some Jimmerboi commentating for GT Sport btw. Was great to see him casting again, I hope he stays a long-term staple commentator.

That’s the problem with this whole competition really, how can an international competition be held that doesn’t have a single “rule” written down on paper anywhere? How can stewards hand out penalties for anything without a rule book to work off of? Or, how can the racers be expected to race within rules that don’t exist? There needs to be a rule book put into place, at very least for the FIA Live events if nothing else.

The only rule there is(kind of), is don’t make yourself look bad, and Igor definitely made himself look bad.

FIA 2019 MSG Sporting Regulations, Article 14.1 - Braking in a location that does not require brakes / Performing brake tests on the track;

Applies specifically to this event.

It is important to note that even the technicality of Fraga not "braking" per se is covered by the stipulation that the offending driver in question cannot cover himself by demanding a literal application of the ruleset if his behaviour is deemed against the spirit - in other words, different means to a same end. Brake checking is not allowed in literally any FIA-sanctioned event in any area of the track that is taken flat-out under normal circumstances, whether real or digital and can lead to disqualification in either case.

There is a reason why the drivers all shook their head, smirked or even laughed when they watched the replay of that incident as a group yesterday.
 
Good to hear your point. I was rooting for your win. It will come one day hopefully next event. I called you poor mentality as i thought you purposely dropped your pace because of Anger. Didnt know about this fuel saving thing. My Bad bro.

Although i am little surprised by the amount of fuel saving you had to do after the incident. Dropping 5 sec in 4 laps is just too much.

What you would have done after passing Igor if it had happened that way considering the fuel you had?
Not to speak for someone else but I'm guessing he wanted to get ahead of Igor and then hold him up by fuel saving in the corners and having the dirty air effect plus a softer tyre compound to use (he was on softs and Igor on mediums).
 
Fraga is in the McLaren Talent Program same program that developed the current 5 times World Champion soon to be 6 times one. So how much more resources than this Fraga need ?

Theres quite a lot of guys in these "junior" programs. To make the final jump F1/F2 you need tremendous talent and in most Teams (I think excluding only Ferrari, Mercedes and RedBull) you need big sponsors for alot of money to bring with you to the team.
 
On the penultimate lap, map 6 for Hizal. (at 2:45:42 on the Spanish broadcast). In the last thee laps Ordoñez emphasizes that Igor has much more fuel.
Even if Hizal had overtaken Igor (if he had passed flat on Eau Rouge) he would not win the race.
I really don't understand why they're not showing tire's waste and gasoline consumption. Those datas are of major importance to understand a race.
 
A lot of interesting discussion taking place here. For those of you who are referring to Fraga's move as a brake check for lifting, what if he would have changed the fuel map to reduce power instead? Just curious.

I think everyone raced their heart out this weekend. I think the spirit of racing is alive and well in the GT Sport community. The human drama, the questionable rule bending, the mistakes, the wheel to wheel action...these are all things that have carried over from IRL racing. I think it adds a wealth of realism to the game. I would like to see the stewards be more consistent in their judging but I think everyone would agree on that.

I'm looking forward to Austria because @TRL LIGHTNING will be motivated more than ever to be number one at that event. I commend you on being a clean driver, just remember to TRUST NO ONE.
 
Good to hear your point. I was rooting for your win. It will come one day hopefully next event. I called you poor mentality as i thought you purposely dropped your pace because of Anger. Didnt know about this fuel saving thing. My Bad bro.

Although i am little surprised by the amount of fuel saving you had to do after the incident. Dropping 5 sec in 4 laps is just too much.

What you would have done after passing Igor if it had happened that way considering the fuel you had?

Let's say if I stayed ahead of him where he tried to take my slipstream I could have stayed ahead of him as I could save better fuel. When I was behind of him I wasn't fuel saving so rip to me xD
 
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