Logitech G29 / G920 Driving Force Racing Wheel
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They could be identical (more than likely), but we really don't know for sure.
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I'm assuming that the Logitech wheels will be aiming at the cheaper end of the market rather than battling it out with the T300.
My theory is that in order for Logitech to be able to get their older wheels to work on the PS4, they had to have an 'official' PlayStation compatible wheel. To do that they probably had to line Sony's pockets with money. So to justify doing so, they had to make a new wheel which could at least recoup some of , or all of, their investment. The easiest and cheapest way that Logitech could make a new wheel is by utilizing their existing technology and r&d. That's why this wheel looks like it is made up of various parts of other Logitech wheels.
If my theory is correct (it probably isn't), what we essentially have is a reliable PS4 wheel, that should handle anything that an average gamer can throw at it, it will give reasonable ffb (G27 tech), have decent quality pedals (again, same as the G27's which are arguably better than the stock T300 pedals) and it will fill the gap below the T300 for good all round SIM racers that can't afford a T300.
Logitech are being quite clever...... Unless they overprice the wheel (and separate shifter) in which case they have wasted their time/money/effort.
We will only know the complete story after their announcement, until then we're all guessing at the exact details. It will be interesting to see how Logitech are going to market this new product.
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I'm starting to think that the G29 is going to be the low end wheel and they're going to make one that competes with the Thrustmaster Hardware
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Yep, it does look cluttered. It ideally needed a bigger rim, but that may have compromised the effectiveness of the ffb , especially if it does have weak motors.
Also, compared to the G27, it looks bad because the shifter isn't included with the G29 and that's where most of the buttons are located on the G27. So all the shifter mounted buttons had to be placed onto the wheel which wouldn't be easy if they are limited to a set rim size.
The G29 is not exactly a stunner, but I'm comparing it to my G27 which is still a nice looking wheel despite its age. Maybe compared to the DFGT it looks a little better?
I still think that this has been done on a very limited budget, paying Sony for product licencing has maybe wrecked the overall budget. Who knows?
I imagine that this will at least be more reliable than a T300 and it should be cheaper. So Logitech could have a good product when we factor value for money and reliability into the equation.
Time will tell. Roll on E3.
LeGeNd-1
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I've been hearing a lot about T300 reliability. Exactly which parts tend to break down easily? And is it only if you abuse the wheel (lots of drifting, high FFB etc) or it's a design fault and will happen regardless?
I have a G25 for 7 years now and even though it works perfectly I'm thinking of buying a new wheel. It's a toss up between the G29 or T300. I want the more advanced FFB of T300, but if it has reliability issues it sort of puts me off...
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Uhmmm... Does that mean that the G27 couldfinally work with PS4? That'd be so great...
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There is a possibility that G27 support (in-game) could be coming to the PS4, but there are no guarantees at all. The simple fact that Logitech are once again working with Sony is a step in the right direction. We won't know for sure until the G29 officially breaks cover which is expected to be at E3 this month.
I have everything crossed.
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The initial T300 production runs had a couple of issues including bad tolerance in the steering column mounting somewhere (which required mine to go for RMA and be replaced). Those were specific production problems and didn't reappear in later batches.
Between January and April the T300 thread on here had almost no guys showing up to complain about their new wheel, just a couple. Recently there's been an uptick in guys showing up to the thread, but with all kinds of problems and not easy to summarize other than "you might get a dud".
Now clearly the release of pCARS exploded the PS4 wheel market, and by all accounts Thrustmaster can't keep up (stock low or gone all over the place). It's not a stretch to conclude that they are having quality issues trying to produce enough wheels for the peak moments of demand.
The basic design of the T300 is the same as the TX. The mechanism and mounting is a reasonable design, but I think most of the issues guys are having are either power supply (this is a brushless motor design with a built in power supply, no extra brick) or firmware suddenly losing the plot (sounds weird but not sure how else to describe it).
We have no clue how large the chance of problems is. I suspect that GTP is the central place any new T300 owner would go to complain, so failure rates could easily be tiny compared to the handful of guys with issues posting around GTP. Very hard to tell.
Between January and April the T300 thread on here had almost no guys showing up to complain about their new wheel, just a couple. Recently there's been an uptick in guys showing up to the thread, but with all kinds of problems and not easy to summarize other than "you might get a dud".
Now clearly the release of pCARS exploded the PS4 wheel market, and by all accounts Thrustmaster can't keep up (stock low or gone all over the place). It's not a stretch to conclude that they are having quality issues trying to produce enough wheels for the peak moments of demand.
The basic design of the T300 is the same as the TX. The mechanism and mounting is a reasonable design, but I think most of the issues guys are having are either power supply (this is a brushless motor design with a built in power supply, no extra brick) or firmware suddenly losing the plot (sounds weird but not sure how else to describe it).
We have no clue how large the chance of problems is. I suspect that GTP is the central place any new T300 owner would go to complain, so failure rates could easily be tiny compared to the handful of guys with issues posting around GTP. Very hard to tell.
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Have a look at the T300 thread: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/thrustmaster-t300rs-racing-wheel-thread.311143/
Some people are even reporting that their pedals are not calibrated correctly and are fixing them themselves. Why something so simple slips through the quality control is outstanding really. I mean how hard can it be to check that the pedals are assembled correctly? Probably 1 minute connected to a test rig.
Lots of reports of clicking noises, wheels not calibrating and more recently random button presses.
It seems as though Thrustmaster can't match the demand either, the T300 is often out of stock, which isn't great if yours has just gone wrong.
There are obviously people that are very happy with their T300 though. Don't forget that bad news always travels faster than good news..... There is no denying that the T300 has better FFB than anything Logitech has ever made. 👍
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Thanks for the reply guys 👍 I'm aware that the population at GTP is only a fraction of the sim racing community, and people with problems will always be more vocal than those who don't. I'm just concerned that it's an inherent problem with the way the wheel is built (kinda like RROD issues with X360 or YLOD issues with fatty PS3s), and I should wait until a fix is applied in the next batch before buying. $700 isn't exactly peanuts and I want to make sure I get a quality product that lasts many years (as long as my G25 at least).
I've skimmed the last few pages of that. But 73 pages can take a while to wade through
I've skimmed the last few pages of that. But 73 pages can take a while to wade through
. I am pretty hyped.
New pics: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00YUIM2J0/
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Looks like the G29 has a similar design for the lower part of the G27 (The hook thing) so maybe the stands designed for the G27 may fit the G29.
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Yeah, they can’t be serious with that price.
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@Vary It was on the Amazon.de website... @Blazt shared it a few posts up
http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00YUIM2J0/
Before it was taken down I see!
The pics from the site:
http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00YUIM2J0/
Before it was taken down I see!
The pics from the site:
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@Vary It was on the Amazon.de website... @Blazt shared it a few posts up
http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00YUIM2J0/
Before it was taken down I see!
The pics from the site:
Thank you, i went to that page few says ago, but couldn't remember exactly the price. However i thought it was so high because it was in preorder (Of an unpresented product), so with an obviously higher price than the standard product
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looks good, however, the ffb will surely be no match for the t300.i would still have gone for the t300 whatever the price. There are plenty on gtp who own the t300 but only a small handful have had problems, people tend not to say something unless they have a problem.Even though mine work fine,i would just bin the t300 stock pedals though. absolute garbage and get the t3pa pro's.
