Logitech in financial trouble. "Discontinue... console peripherals"

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fatkrakr
The clutch support in GT5 (or lack of) is probably the biggest factor in that. A TT event is about setting the fastest times and a clutch in GT5 isnt the way to do it.
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I agree, though I'm a bit of a glutton for punishment... I always run gated and clutch, it's more "fun" for me. :)

You can be pretty quick with it though, it's just more work... I'm at about 350 right now I think on Eiger Nordwand W Trail. :D

Sorry, had to toot my own horn there. I hardly ever run time trials and a friend has recently gotten me into it.
 
If the news of Logitech is stopping production and sale of the DFGT and G27 I believe it could do short-term harm to PC racing sims. I think the console people and arcade/simcade crowd would act as a feeder to get some people to the PC sims (iRacing, AC, pCARS, rF2, GSC2012). With fewer wheel choices at the entry price I could see a lot potential race simmers forgoing for forstalling getting a wheel.

I hope I am proven wrong. :dunce:

edit...I was a DFP and G27 owner and that is what got me into sim racing. Nice, quality wheels at a good price.
 
about 20% are wheel users on this TT.
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Fascinating, thank you mrbasher.👍

This is most likely true for also just playing GT5, it definitively put an interesting perspective on the priority that the developpers have on what matters the most for 80% of the users, as driving in GT5 with a wheel or playing with a controler are a very different experience.

Patrocles
[edit...I was a DFP and G27 owner and that is what got me into sim racing. Nice, quality wheels at a good price.
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Same here, all started with a DFP.
 
What I really think is excellent is that PD seems to have decided that regardless of the customer base, they want to properly support wheels. (clutch aside) You really can tell when driving. I quit playing Forza because I hated using the wheel with it and did not wish to use controller any longer.

My fear has always been that console sims will die before wheels ever do... Look at Forza... The move by Turn 10 to license the name to something like Horizon is well, shocking to say the least.

Anyhow, lots of odd stuff going on lately... and just when it seemed sim stuff was really taking off.
 
mrbasher
What I really think is excellent is that PD seems to have decided that regardless of the customer base, they want to properly support wheels. (clutch aside) You really can tell when driving. .
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Agree and also all GT Academy finals are done with a wheel, so that is encouraging as well.
 
Lots of good information Amar. I have purchased at least 10 Logitech computing and gaming products over a decade or so and have always thought of them highly as a company. I'm very glad I got my G27 wheel a few weeks ago!

The way I see it I don't think they are in a huge hurry to introduce a new steering wheel with the G27 so popular for sim racing and G25 still being used widely as well. I hope they will simply freeze any R&D for future wheels and continue to manufacture and support existing wheels, although I can't say I remember seeing any Logitech wheels in any electronic stores in the States over the last year or so. I had to buy my G27 from an online retailer and I live in a highly commercial area.

It's a good thing we live in an age where PC peripherals are also compatible with gaming consoles (thanks to USB, etc). Hopefully they will remember us PS3 users as they produce peripherals "for PCs."
 
The question I'm wondering about all of this is, what does it mean for current wheel owners in the future? Even assuming Logitech continues to produce PC wheels (which seems like a big assumption to me), will they continue to be supported on consoles? I know they are on the PS2/PS3 because they both have the same USB protocol as the PC, but what about the PS4? The G25/G27 didn't work right for GT5 for a while. Will they (the DFP, Driving Force and DFGT) be supported in the future of the series now that Logitech no longer make the official wheel of the game?


Basically, I assume Thrustmaster will take steps to introduce an entry level wheel for GT6, but what about older ones? I wouldn't be surprised if the main reason so many PS2/PS3 games supported Logitech wheels were because they were the wheels that GT threw their weight behind, so even other games worry me too.
 
so now I own a "classic", lol.

This means things will get interesting on the higher end quality wheels considering people that wanted a g25/g27 will now consider fanatec and thrustmaster once again (in a year or so taking into account the currently available ones).

Lets face it, the g25/g27 stagnated that segment quite a bit to the point most potential consumers don't know about the better products those 2 and others offer, because the former are the "complete package" no matter they were vastly surpassed years ago.
 
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Toronado
The question I'm wondering about all of this is, what does it mean for current wheel owners in the future? Even assuming Logitech continues to produce PC wheels (which seems like a big assumption to me), will they continue to be supported on consoles? I know they are on the PS2/PS3 because they both have the same USB protocol as the PC, but what about the PS4? The G25/G27 didn't work right for GT5 for a while. Will they (the DFP, Driving Force and DFGT) be supported in the future of the series now that Logitech no longer make the official wheel of the game?


Basically, I assume Thrustmaster will take steps to introduce an entry level wheel for GT6, but what about older ones? I wouldn't be surprised if the main reason so many PS2/PS3 games supported Logitech wheels were because they were the wheels that GT threw their weight behind, so even other games worry me too.
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What it means for us gamers is that once your PS3 compatible wheels are gone, they're gone. So if you're going to buy a G27 or a DFGT, you better do it now before at least the DFGT is discontinued. The G27 might continue to be produced because strictly speaking it's a PC wheel. We don't know what the PS4 is going to be using to make wheels compatible with it, but I would assume that they would at least have a couple of USB ports at the front so you can save your data on a USB stick or something.
 
Do you guys want to get something together and collectively let Logitech know they have the sim community's support??? Instead of talking about the doom and gloom and what may happen. Lets try to change it.
 
mrbasher
Do you guys want to get something together and collectively let Logitech know they have the sim community's support??? Instead of talking about the doom and gloom and what may happen. Lets try to change it.
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I'd sign a petition, even though I personally wouldn't buy a wheel soon. I think there are a lot of people that wish for a new Logitech wheel and I want those people to be able to purchase one.
 
LogiForce
I'd sign a petition, even though I personally wouldn't buy a wheel soon. I think there are a lot of people that wish for a new Logitech wheel and I want those people to be able to purchase one.
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I want to get something started. A company dropping wheels is bad business for everyone in the industry. Let's let the world know we are here to stay. :)
 
mrbasher
Sorry, had to toot my own horn there.
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LOL, you forgot the part about doing that with no aids and 0 ABS! :scared:

Nice to see a purveyor of sim goods who really hauls a$$ with the stuff he sells! 👍

For those of you who might not know, he makes little boxes that let you run TH8RS and G25/G27 shifters with Fanatec wheels. Got one myself after my plastic shifter broke. :grumpy:

Excuse the OT excursion. :D
 
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Since Logitech is planning to discontinue production I feel that there is going to be a high demand for someone to start a refurbishing service for the ones out there that people still want to keep using there worn out Logitech wheels but just need new pentiometers, wheel centering sensors, motors, replacement gears, etc. Maybe someone should offer to buy the rights from Logitech to the design or schematics to continue to build or sell parts for them. Anyone in the mod community could pool their assets and offer Logitech some money for it.
 
Radracing
Since Logitech is planning to discontinue production I feel that there is going to be a high demand for someone to start a refurbishing service for the ones out there that people still want to keep using there worn out Logitech wheels but just need new pentiometers, wheel centering sensors, motors, replacement gears, etc. Maybe someone should offer to buy the rights from Logitech to the design or schematics to continue to build or sell parts for them. Anyone in the mod community could pool their assets and offer Logitech some money for it.
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To-date, everything I have read on this thread regarding the possibility of DFGT/G27 discontinuation has been from the perspective of the single-consumer gaming/sim enthusiast's perspective.

There are outfits involved in providing simulators for race events, trade shows, high performance driving schools, gaming/special events, and etc. that own fleets of these wheels, PD included. No doubt in my mind that with the money they have at stake, that all options are being explored.
 
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I was looking for the next G27 wheel but I guess I need to move onto other popular wheel products. Just sad to see them discontinue some of their products.
 
Yes this is sad news, but only if none of the other companies are smart enough to fill the market place, and I doubt that, I really hope Fanatec make an entry level wheel, something roughly =>G27 definately >DFGT, or even one inbetween and one better (perhaps they already do) but more importantly, Thurstmaster, if they got their act together (now) and made a complimentary wheel to the T500RS, I think that'd sell well too.

And who knows, maybe a new third player will jump in? Probably in line with PS4 though I'd say, excluding PC Sim racers, the money's in consoles, and ~50-55% say, would be in PS4 (for racing, just a guess that Playstation is slightly more racing than Xbox), but that means the other ~45-50% will be Xbox too (oh yeah wii 2 or whatever, lol), so an awesome wheel that'd work for both, ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching! No point making one now is there?
 
Conza
Yes this is sad news, but only if none of the other companies are smart enough to fill the market place, and I doubt that, I really hope Fanatec make an entry level wheel, something roughly =>G27 definately >DFGT, or even one inbetween and one better (perhaps they already do) but more importantly, Thurstmaster, if they got their act together (now) and made a complimentary wheel to the T500RS, I think that'd sell well too.

And who knows, maybe a new third player will jump in? Probably in line with PS4 though I'd say, excluding PC Sim racers, the money's in consoles, and ~50-55% say, would be in PS4 (for racing, just a guess that Playstation is slightly more racing than Xbox), but that means the other ~45-50% will be Xbox too (oh yeah wii 2 or whatever, lol), so an awesome wheel that'd work for both, ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching! No point making one now is there?
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My first choice of wheel to buy is the T500RS but the problem is I never have payed online and never liked getting my items shipped from overseas so if my G27 breaks I have no choice but to wait for ages till T500RS is available here where I live.
 
JogoAsobi
To-date, everything I have read on this thread regarding the possibility of DFGT/G27 discontinuation has been from the perspective of the single-consumer gaming/sim enthusiast's perspective.

There are outfits involved in providing simulators for race events, trade shows, high performance driving schools, gaming/special events, and etc. that own fleets of these wheels, PD included. No doubt in my mind that with the money they have at stake, that all options are being explored.
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I can see Sony to take over manufacturing and buying the rights from Logitech.
 
oqvist
Sony is even worse off then Logitech I don´t believe they want to take such gambles.
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I am sure they keep their risk-management strategies close to the vest so I find speculation about that to be futile.
That being said Sony has incurred serious losses that have been well documented in the last 2 years.
 
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I have owned 2 Logitech wheels (MOMO Force, DFGT) and used others (DFP, G25, G27). I own and use a Fanatec CSR wheel with CSR Elite pedals only now leaving my Logitechs collect dust. Although I like Logitech wheels a lot, my Fanatec setup is by far better. The pedals alone are a league above all Logitechs that I used. The wheel is great. The only thing I don't like is the CSR shifter set and how the shifter mounts to the wheel base with the 2 rods (not as sturdy as i would like). Thinking about doing the Thrustmaster shifter setup. Being I play mostly with the paddle shifters, it isn't a big deal to me.

My order to Fanatec was very quick in my opinion and the quality of the product is top notch. I emailed about a firmware patch at the time and within 24hrs received a response with download link. 2 thumbs up to Fanatec, I and everyone who has used my setup loves it.

I don't understand why many people think Fanatec is very expensive especially compared to the G27. You can buy a G27 new for $250-300US. The CSR goes for $200US with the cheapest CSR pedals being $80 (if you have a logi set, reuse the pedals for cheap by getting the adapter but trust my even the CSR Elite pedals are AWESOME and I can only imagine what the Clubsports are like). If you do the bundles, it becomes cheaper. CSR wheel + CSR pedal bundle is $250, the low end cost of a G27. Sadly S+H is there but really it isn't much.

Regardless though, I loved the fact I could have gone to almost any store and simply pick up a Logitech wheel and it would be a shame if they stopped making wheel products altogether. I also hope that Sony/MS next consoles are 3rd party wheel compatible.
 
cuco33
I have owned 2 Logitech wheels (MOMO Force, DFGT) and used others (DFP, G25, G27). I own and use a Fanatec CSR wheel with CSR Elite pedals only now leaving my Logitechs collect dust. Although I like Logitech wheels a lot, my Fanatec setup is by far better. The pedals alone are a league above all Logitechs that I used. The wheel is great. The only thing I don't like is the CSR shifter set and how the shifter mounts to the wheel base with the 2 rods (not as sturdy as i would like). Thinking about doing the Thrustmaster shifter setup. Being I play mostly with the paddle shifters, it isn't a big deal to me.

My order to Fanatec was very quick in my opinion and the quality of the product is top notch. I emailed about a firmware patch at the time and within 24hrs received a response with download link. 2 thumbs up to Fanatec, I and everyone who has used my setup loves it.

I don't understand why many people think Fanatec is very expensive especially compared to the G27. You can buy a G27 new for $250-300US. The CSR goes for $200US with the cheapest CSR pedals being $80 (if you have a logi set, reuse the pedals for cheap by getting the adapter but trust my even the CSR Elite pedals are AWESOME and I can only imagine what the Clubsports are like). If you do the bundles, it becomes cheaper. CSR wheel + CSR pedal bundle is $250, the low end cost of a G27. Sadly S+H is there but really it isn't much.

Regardless though, I loved the fact I could have gone to almost any store and simply pick up a Logitech wheel and it would be a shame if they stopped making wheel products altogether. I also hope that Sony/MS next consoles are 3rd party wheel compatible.
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I'd take one of your old Logitechs if you're not using it :dopey:.
 
cuco33
I have owned 2 Logitech wheels (MOMO Force, DFGT) and used others (DFP, G25, G27). I own and use a Fanatec CSR wheel with CSR Elite pedals only now leaving my Logitechs collect dust. Although I like Logitech wheels a lot, my Fanatec setup is by far better. The pedals alone are a league above all Logitechs that I used. The wheel is great. The only thing I don't like is the CSR shifter set and how the shifter mounts to the wheel base with the 2 rods (not as sturdy as i would like). Thinking about doing the Thrustmaster shifter setup. Being I play mostly with the paddle shifters, it isn't a big deal to me.

My order to Fanatec was very quick in my opinion and the quality of the product is top notch. I emailed about a firmware patch at the time and within 24hrs received a response with download link. 2 thumbs up to Fanatec, I and everyone who has used my setup loves it.

I don't understand why many people think Fanatec is very expensive especially compared to the G27. You can buy a G27 new for $250-300US. The CSR goes for $200US with the cheapest CSR pedals being $80 (if you have a logi set, reuse the pedals for cheap by getting the adapter but trust my even the CSR Elite pedals are AWESOME and I can only imagine what the Clubsports are like). If you do the bundles, it becomes cheaper. CSR wheel + CSR pedal bundle is $250, the low end cost of a G27. Sadly S+H is there but really it isn't much.

Regardless though, I loved the fact I could have gone to almost any store and simply pick up a Logitech wheel and it would be a shame if they stopped making wheel products altogether. I also hope that Sony/MS next consoles are 3rd party wheel compatible.
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true ive owned the Logitech DFP, G27 & now CSW with BMW rim & V2s. the CSW is a big leap in quality over the G27 but the G27 is an excellent wheel for the money and im glad I have one as a backup now. while the CSW is excellent & ive had no issues so far FANATECs reliability just aint up the with Logitech's it is gonna be a sad day if they do stop making them
 
Reliability wise I'm guessing it will get better. The G27/25 also didn't exert the type of forces the CSW is but I digress. It comes down to Logitech being available to people that want it. I don't see how they can discontinue it if its making money. Maybe their console stuff doesn't sell, but I think the G27 was a huge hit wasn't it?
 

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