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TEARS4YEARS ;_; ??
Really guys, if one isn't competent to twist yarn, for even a full day at that, they obviously aren't competent to organize and officiate a series.
TEARS4YEARS ;_; ??
Who cares, 14, 5. It's the fairness that is the issue. I don't know what EERS did, but giving 5 sec penalty to someone who apparently dive-bombed multiple times, and completely DQing someone who got frustrated during an enduro do not seem fair to me. The latter might be the case of me not having complete information, hence I think fairness requires public explanation for the decision of the stewards, possibly with a video of the incident at hand.MÜLE_9242;5642243Where are you getting 14 points from? He finished 14th.
And I know it's not fair; that's why the 25% rule exists in the first place. :/
I don't know what EERS did...
Hey Mule, do you guys have any spots open in the room when you race, or are you filling each grid?
Who cares, 14, 5. It's the fairness that is the issue. I don't know what EERS did, but giving 5 sec penalty to someone who apparently dive-bombed multiple times, and completely DQing someone who got frustrated during an enduro do not seem fair to me. The latter might be the case of me not having complete information, hence I think fairness requires public explanation for the decision of the stewards, possibly with a video of the incident at hand.
Anyway, since I withdrew myself from this series already, I'll shut-up.
On a happier note, I'm joining the series.
#43 LancerEvo7 (GTP_LancerEvo7) - Morning Blue / Saffron Yellow
@RT, have something against quali.?![]()
R1600TurboHuh? I just wanted to know if there was an extra spot in the room I could fill and watch the race.![]()
It would be cool though if there were dedicated slots for people who just wanted to watch. Have like 16 racers and 10 viewing slots. Meh, just thinking out loud.
That's nice of you to let him watch.MÜLE_9242;5643735If we're only racing 14/15, I see no problem with letting you watch at all. Hopefully with the brake-checker gone, we'll be back to Suzuka levels of racing.
That's nice of you to let him watch.
Of course, the view is much better from inside the car, RT.
*hint, hint*![]()
MÜLE_9242;5642507I completely understand the fairness issue about points, trust me. If th three of us (Watson, Wardez and myself) didn't complete 7 laps, we don't get points. I'll look over that sometime today.
MÜLE_9242;5643735If we're only racing 14/15, I see no problem with letting you watch at all.
I'm not going to let this get out of hand. Stuff keeps spilling over from PM's into the baords and I hate it.
I'm currently in the process of making a video that will clearly, very crystal clearly, show what went down on raceday. Because of the seemingly vague nature of the penalties.
Appreciate the input. But the most important thing is to keep civil on this board because I won't have any part of this series any more if things go even slightly out of hand. You won't get a message from me if it does, I'll just be gone.
If someone is going to watch they should also webcast for everyone else who might want to watch.
If someone is going to watch they should also webcast for everyone else who might want to watch.
Wouldn't streaming the race increase chance of lag? Just like when Cami streamed the Women's World Cup Final and the race lagged like crazy. It was Laguna Seca btw. Well it lagged at least for me, dont know about everyone else.
Wouldn't streaming the race increase chance of lag? Just like when Cami streamed the Women's World Cup Final and the race lagged like crazy. It was Laguna Seca btw. Well it lagged at least for me, dont know about everyone else.
Had no lag at Le Mans so i think people took it more seriously to do everything they can to ensure better connection to everyone.
Guys,
Not to bring back the EERS brake check issue, but I feel that I need to just say a couple of words on it, because I think it will make what has been a pretty solid Elise 111RM Series even better (and thanks to Mule, Wardez etc. for your ongoing effort in making it great.)
I have not seen the race video, though I think it's not even necessary to view it. Regardless of who did the bumping, turn after turn, I can say that I have been on the recieving end of this sort of driving multiple times, from many different drivers over the past year or so. And I can tell you, that for the person being bumped, it creates the highest level of frustration possible; far more frustration than someone blocking agressively; agressively attacking like this with contact is something that cannot be condoned. This sort of contact from behind I do not, and will never condone in my lobby by enacting a "zero tolerance" policy. It is absolutely 100% the following drivers responsiblity to be sure that they do not make ANY CONTACT with the driver they are following, REGARDLESS of how much faster they may or may not be than the driver in front. It is very easy to follow someone in GT5 and even pressure them even if the car in front is faster. You can be 1+ seconds slower on raw pace and still keep up, or even do a late brake maneuever after someone on a straight when using the tractor-beam draft.
Getting bumped from behind is tremendously distracting, and disrespectful. More importantly, when a driver like EERS (one of the best in the United States) is taking a corner, he is going to be right on the limit of traction. Just like in real life, even the slightest of nudges to a car that is right on the limit of traction can upset the balance of the car viciously. Addtionally, a driver like EERS is going to be able to react quickly enough with steering and throttle to reel the car in and keep going in what might seem like a non-dramatic event. But in reality, it slows the car down quite a bit. This make things even worse, because now the driver in behind can get inside the driver in front and get a run on him in to the next corner. This is amazingly frustrating because the attacking driver did not earn the run on the driver in the first place!!!! The attacking driver, if he EVER makes contact with the defending driver, aside from the most subtle of mid corner side-to-side taps, should back off immediately and give the position back, AS WELL as give up any advantage in exit speed that is afforded by the bump in to the next corner. It is proper racing ettiquette; it is not arguable. Behavior like this in "real life" would not be condoned. Immediately I think about the Vette bumping the Porsche in the final corner of Laguna Seca in the ALMS race a few years back. That Porsche earned the win, but the Vette (faster in this case) felt the need to nudge the porsche pretty hard off the corner, not spinning him, but getting him loose enough to get a run through the start/finish line good enough for the win. The Porsche driver (Pat Long, a factory porsche driver) drove the Vette in to the wall, totalling it in order to hold on to victory. And I can tell you, I would have done the SAME DAMN THING. You don't pass someone by nudging them in every corner because you are too lazy, or too unskilled to not back off your braking or corner entry. You race properly, with great respect for the driver in front of you and execute the pass by forcing them in to a mistake or adjusting your line to get a run on them in to the following corner or series of corners. It's the art of overtaking, and is one of the most enjoyable parts of battling with another great driver; this sort of dueling, tactical battle that if executed to perfection, rewards both the "winning" driver and "losing" driver with a big smile and a blast of an experience - some of the most fun races I've had are when I have been outpaced, or out-battled by a fantastic driver, (EERS is one of these guys) and in the process I learned how to get better.
Obviously I feel strongly on this, because it's all about making the experience as fun as possible for everyone and I want to see a great series like this continue and thrive. This sort of contact simply ruins the fun of motorsport. My advice - provide a clear and defined stance that it cannont be allowed any further. If not, don't be surprised if someone brake checks another out of frustration.
Respectfully, 👍
Nick
Stupid question, but might be relevant: is GT5 race replay identical for all involved players? I had a guy blame me (supposedly after watching replay) once for some rub mid-corner that pushed him off-track, but on my replay (and in race) there was zero contact, it just looked like the guy stopped steering and went wide. So are replays identical or player-dependent?
Well, it's clear in case of obvious connection issues, but it's not clear to me what happens if there's no "lag" in the sense of loss of packets that make cars "jump", but there is a difference in ping, hence steering/brake/throttle inputs from different players being processed with slightly different order.MÜLE_9242;5648782I don't think so.