Maintenance Notice this time for GT6 thank God!

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At this point, I just hope for much better servers and online that doesn't kick me out either partially through the race or before I can even enter the room. I'll be more glad about that then any DLC or extra features that come around (if they do).
 
If I further delve into the extreme, when a product is released on a console/platform that is sunsetting its generally seen as trying to capitalize on a large install base, and sometimes a stop gap in the sense that a new console might not sell as quickly... Console/platform transitions are the most disruptive time in the game industry.

This is common knowledge to the press, publishers, etc. but GT 6 won't likely damage GT's rep as it will always be seen as a last ditch effort or nod to those not planning to upgrade on day one.

It will forever be excused as the last gen racer trying to compete with the next gen racers... Regardless of the facts, history will be written in favor of GT 6 regardless of how we feel about the product. A couple years from now many of us will even change our own tune just as we did with GT 5. Perpetuating that last gen point.

GT 6 sales forecasts were likely set at half GT 5 due to new hardware and gamers are generally early adaptors, conditioned since the PC days to always have the latest and greatest. So Sony knowing this didn't even bother marketing in the US.

Almost every conversation regarding GT outside this forum tends to have many saying "I can't wait for GT 7!" But what about GT 6? "Nah, I already played GT 5..." Without even know what we do here as the mear mention of last gen carries the same stigma of the reality of GT 6 current state. Irony...

So in essence, we are a minority of a minority and pretty much clinging for anything we can get before GT 6 gets buried and forgotten as we know it today.

Me personally? I would have left long ago if not for the fact that I a lot of Fanatec gear, literally 2 of everything... And I played out Forza 4... Countless hours... And PC racers are under funded and generally not built by gamers.

I think Codemasters has a good formula on paper, but they lack in execution. It's pretty well known that there F1 games are the best racing in a console game, but they, like many others can't seem to capture the authenticity that GT has, and Forza to a different degree.

GT games feel more 'real' and that's a massive appeal... As an aging gamer I see authenticity as a sort of maturity in gaming that isn't found in many games today. A category I call 'grown up games' like the flight sims of yesterday and complex battle sims like Harpoon etc. games that actually make you feel smart and like what your doing is more than just playing a game. A game that when you stop playing it you actually feel like you invested in learning something complicated while having fun. Perhaps it's these bygone era games that is why the average gamer today is in there mid 30's and going up every year...

But, as usual, I digress.
 
Sorry for the double post, and I don't mean to be rude by saying this, but I'll bet one of my racecars that every person here who eventually gets a ps4, will buy GT 7.

It will be a few years from now but the interest in GT 7 is very high and Sony knew how many bought a ps3 on the promise of GT 5 (many years later it was released) and they won't do that again, GT 6, like I said above is likely a major stop gap.

Time heals everything. Ironically it kills everything too...
 
9pm Sunday west coast time. East coast 12am Monday.
That is interesting, that Monday AM in Japan? Perhaps PD have dedicated the whole week to what ever this update is, or its a prevision for an update later in the week.

Either way, I'm looking forward to the thread/s on undocumented updates... One thing GTPers are great at is regressing the entire game in mear hours... Or that's because GT 6 really isn't that deep...
 
Time heals everything. Ironically it kills everything too...
Boy, isn't that the truth. :P

And again, agree with just about everything. I was thinking that GT6 would sell like all GTs do, in the ten-plus million mark, but I overestimated two things you pointed out so well.

One, PS3 really is antiquated in just about every sense. This is the first seven year console generation ever, and more than a year ago, gamers were grumbling that the average laptop at Newegg smoked PS3 in just about every way, and PS4 was overdue. And this alone is enough to discourage gamers from being enthused about new PS3 games other than GTA, damn that thing to Hell. Then really squash interest by releasing the next gen on top of a really old console. This hurt GT6 more than I thought.

Second is that magic/cursed word to developers, "casuals." These are the guys you mention that are drawn to new tech like flies to honey. The people who make Apple rich buying expensive iPhones and Pods because it's the cool thing to get. PS4 has their attention, and some of them gobbled it up just to be an early adopter and be cool, even when maybe all they got were the free PSN games for it. "PS3... whatever, that thing's a doorstop. GT6? That's coming out on PS4, right? They wouldn't be that stupid to release it for PS3, would they?" I knew people were uninformed and fickle, but I'm constantly learning how much.

So from your essays, especially as a developer guy yourself, your posts are very enlightening. SONY dumping PS3, and possibly GT6, is quite surprising, until you explain corporate thinking, nuts and bolts. I have to admit that I'm with the casuals who want GT7, and excited for it, but that still leaves me with a GT6 that now I have to ponder the future of. If online gets a boost, will gamers have fled to greener race tracks earlier, leaving mostly empty servers? Will Kaz have any incentive to bless it with much more content than we got in GT5, working like mad to make sure GT7 doesn't end up as shortsheeted as 6? I have to say I have no clue in this environment, it could go either way.

So here we sit waiting for Monday to crawl along, fortunately an hour earlier thanks to DST stealing my time from me. This next update will be telling. If it has just a taste of what we're expecting, I'll be pondering a PS4 purchase instead of my music DAW PC first. If it's something good, we can breathe easier, but we'll never feel comfortable because... you know, SONY. :P I guess we'll see in a few hours.

One more thing about Gran Turismo. I know that a crowd of people here throw fits at me when I talk about how Gran Turismo has something special about it. I'll get challenged to say what in discreet terms, and that's a hard thing to do. Because, as you say, it's kind of a spirit thing, an experience, a flavor, an emotional reaction to some gestalt quality that just doesn't exist in other racers. Even with the physics having imperfections, there's some kind of tangible "realness" that the fans like me connect with, and that flavor just isn't there in other racers. You mentioned Codies, and I played Dirt 3 last weekend for a couple of hours, having forgotten that I even had it - oh dear. :lol: But, I quit, and fled back to GT6 because... ya know, Kaz, Polyphony... Gran Turismo. It has that cool panache that us fans just have to have. It's weird, but what can I say? We're weirdoes. ;)

Well, one more thing about PS4. DANG!! That thing is seriously hot, a beefy gaming PC-like console for $400, and no Windoze to fight. This is the one time that PC gamers have looked at a system and went, "Crap, that's not bad."
 
Sorry for the double post, and I don't mean to be rude by saying this, but I'll bet one of my racecars that every person here who eventually gets a ps4, will buy GT 7.

It will be a few years from now but the interest in GT 7 is very high and Sony knew how many bought a ps3 on the promise of GT 5 (many years later it was released) and they won't do that again, GT 6, like I said above is likely a major stop gap.

Time heals everything. Ironically it kills everything too...

If I read their strategy correctly, GT6 is not only a "stop gap", but a stop gap which is intended to buy extra time with a planned phased rollout. The longer they can keep the GT crowd using GT5>>6, the more time they have to bring out the first PS4 version. And the more time we have to save up and convince ourselves to buy a PS4.

Looking at their list of future features, I can see this working for me, not against me. I'm in absolutely no hurry to buy a next gen console. But when GT6 supports triple screen, I will buy two more cheap PS3s. The same day!!
 
Boy, isn't that the truth. :P

And again, agree with just about everything. I was thinking that GT6 would sell like all GTs do, in the ten-plus million mark, but I overestimated two things you pointed out so well.

One, PS3 really is antiquated in just about every sense. This is the first seven year console generation ever, and more than a year ago, gamers were grumbling that the average laptop at Newegg smoked PS3 in just about every way, and PS4 was overdue. And this alone is enough to discourage gamers from being enthused about new PS3 games other than GTA, damn that thing to Hell. Then really squash interest by releasing the next gen on top of a really old console. This hurt GT6 more than I thought.

Second is that magic/cursed word to developers, "casuals." These are the guys you mention that are drawn to new tech like flies to honey. The people who make Apple rich buying expensive iPhones and Pods because it's the cool thing to get. PS4 has their attention, and some of them gobbled it up just to be an early adopter and be cool, even when maybe all they got were the free PSN games for it. "PS3... whatever, that thing's a doorstop. GT6? That's coming out on PS4, right? They wouldn't be that stupid to release it for PS3, would they?" I knew people were uninformed and fickle, but I'm constantly learning how much.

So from your essays, especially as a developer guy yourself, your posts are very enlightening. SONY dumping PS3, and possibly GT6, is quite surprising, until you explain corporate thinking, nuts and bolts. I have to admit that I'm with the casuals who want GT7, and excited for it, but that still leaves me with a GT6 that now I have to ponder the future of. If online gets a boost, will gamers have fled to greener race tracks earlier, leaving mostly empty servers? Will Kaz have any incentive to bless it with much more content than we got in GT5, working like mad to make sure GT7 doesn't end up as shortsheeted as 6? I have to say I have no clue in this environment, it could go either way.

So here we sit waiting for Monday to crawl along, fortunately an hour earlier thanks to DST stealing my time from me. This next update will be telling. If it has just a taste of what we're expecting, I'll be pondering a PS4 purchase instead of my music DAW PC first. If it's something good, we can breathe easier, but we'll never feel comfortable because... you know, SONY. :P I guess we'll see in a few hours.

One more thing about Gran Turismo. I know that a crowd of people here throw fits at me when I talk about how Gran Turismo has something special about it. I'll get challenged to say what in discreet terms, and that's a hard thing to do. Because, as you say, it's kind of a spirit thing, an experience, a flavor, an emotional reaction to some gestalt quality that just doesn't exist in other racers. Even with the physics having imperfections, there's some kind of tangible "realness" that the fans like me connect with, and that flavor just isn't there in other racers. You mentioned Codies, and I played Dirt 3 last weekend for a couple of hours, having forgotten that I even had it - oh dear. :lol: But, I quit, and fled back to GT6 because... ya know, Kaz, Polyphony... Gran Turismo. It has that cool panache that us fans just have to have. It's weird, but what can I say? We're weirdoes. ;)

Well, one more thing about PS4. DANG!! That thing is seriously hot, a beefy gaming PC-like console for $400, and no Windoze to fight. This is the one time that PC gamers have looked at a system and went, "Crap, that's not bad."
Great post, spot on interpretation. I too thought GT 6 might do something not seen in previous console generations of the past. When in fact its just an example of cycle time not affecting to trend.

Not a month goes by that I'm not talking with a group of developers about console transitions. I've been through 5 myself, most folks in development today where still in jr high when the 360 and PS4 came out... Flip phones were the most impressive tech toy of the time...

And most of these talks consist of educating them on things they think are shocking... Like PC always lifts in transitions, 3rd party dies out due to no developers with exp and needing publisher support to get dev units, internal dev gets a boost but publishers aren't sure who will win so they invest conservatively, jobs dry up and only those who's very last gig was a mega hit are considered, etc, etc, etc. it's been the same since I remember.

The wild card in this generation is mobile and tablet as they are fast outselling laptops, much cheaper to produce games (and the consumer standards are low)... Floods of people going over there for work and that will retard their careers in the long run if they still desire to return to the core space...

Its a huge topic and you made some good supporting points that many developers don't even realize.
 
If I read their strategy correctly, GT6 is not only a "stop gap", but a stop gap which is intended to buy extra time with a planned phased rollout. The longer they can keep the GT crowd using GT5>>6, the more time they have to bring out the first PS4 version. And the more time we have to save up and convince ourselves to buy a PS4.

Looking at their list of future features, I can see this working for me, not against me. I'm in absolutely no hurry to buy a next gen console. But when GT6 supports triple screen, I will buy two more cheap PS3s. The same day!!
I look at it like this, GT 6 has to transition GT 5 users to 6 to retain the core audience.

That means that GT 6 must reach parity with GT 5 online at the very least. This is when GT 5 will be shut down a few months later and promotions will pop up to push them to GT 6. But those promotions will need to 'sell' the GT 5 users on switching and that's encouraging in the fact that it needs to offer more than GT 5.

The continual notice about GT 5 going offline is a very carefully crafted strategy to put more eyes on GT 6. But pd are late...

I'm making this assumption mostly on online features as those are the evergreen features that gives most games a much longer life, and we call this retention.

Like you, games are the reason for all my hardware upgrades and each platform is different. I didn't get a ps 3 until GT 5 release was imminent. The total war series for PC upgrades, and Forza for Xbox... Though I skipped 5... Because of hardware ironically... And lack of Fanatec support, support I personally championed selfishly to the highest levels of the Xbox division for the better part of 1.5 years pre launch. And failed... Poor Thomas had no chance if I couldn't get much traction on it...

The leading reason was the decoding chip was cracked years ago... Or that's the immovable object that super seeded my argument of satisfying the core racing gamers... It also stalled Dan and Allen at T10 who had a much stronger argument than me.

Guess what? I digressed lol.
 
7 1/2 hours till maintenance ... Along with the BMW I'm kind of expecting hacked cars fixing, community features and maybe Rhonda.

Edit: forgot about B Spec, it might come instead of Rhonda but we'll find out.

And I don't want the usual 'be prepared to be disappointed' speech. Been prepared for weeks, but yeah.
 
B-Spec in GT5 was like porn; You want to participate, but you could only watch. (GT4 was actually different as Bob could just do the races you didn't want to do or have him take over for a stint or 3 in an endurance race.)

That's one interesting way to describe it :lol:

If they bring it back the way it was in GT4, that would be great. As much as I like the management thing, I hate how I couldn't do the driving for endurance races.
 
You can just feel everyone holding their breath in anticpation. I'm more excited about observing the reaction tomorrow/later, whatever that may be.

For scientific purposes, it would be very interesting to study.

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Anyone thinking Shuffle Racing is going to come back~? If an update is really inbound within this maintenance period, and it's really the Community features, do you think Shuffle Racing will be re-added?

If it's indeed the Community update, I can't wait to see how the Quick Race matchmaking turns out.
 
Anyone thinking Shuffle Racing is going to come back~? If an update is really inbound within this maintenance period, and it's really the Community features, do you think Shuffle Racing will be re-added?

If it's indeed the Community update, I can't wait to see how the Quick Race matchmaking turns out.

I'm worried that they've dropped Shuffle in favour of Quick Match alongside the Community update.

I think this because they've ditched the OCD/UCD and all cars are available straight from the dealerships, and I always associated Shuffle with the Used cars i.e. standard cars, of which there is none according to PD.
 
Shuffle racing hasn't been advertised unlike many of the other yet to be seen features. So maybe they did ditch it. but I hope they see that its popular enough to bring back.
 
8 and 11 but who's counting.;)

0000GMT is 8 hours ahead of me (and you) PST time, USA. When I click the conversion in the news feed it indicates 8pm, the previous day my local time http://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/?t=04:00&tz=GMT& 👍

Either way the maintenance won't conclude for two hours, so Tuesday for the East coast.
Hmm. It said on the Gran Turismo site 10/3/2014 0:00-2:00 EST and being they're 3 hours ahead of PST that's where I came up with 9pm (21:00). But like you said, who's counting.

Cheers!

Edit: this coming from the US site of course.
 
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